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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:29 PM

There are many regulations on smoking, cigarettes and their sales, regulation and advertising

There are also regulations on where you can smoke.

Candy that looks like cigarettes are not legal.

There are mandatory warnings on cigarettes and their dangers.

There are significant taxes on cigarettes.






Do you support:
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some weakening of restrictions and reducing the taxes on cigarettes
9 (45%)
retain the same restrictions and taxes on cigarettes
3 (15%)
increase the restrictions and taxes on cigarettes in some way
8 (40%)
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Reply There are many regulations on smoking, cigarettes and their sales, regulation and advertising (Original post)
CreekDog Jan 2013 OP
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #1
HappyMe Jan 2013 #3
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #5
HappyMe Jan 2013 #6
Deep13 Jan 2013 #8
HappyMe Jan 2013 #10
DanTex Jan 2013 #43
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #57
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #9
randome Jan 2013 #46
green for victory Jan 2013 #55
sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #52
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #58
Warpy Jan 2013 #28
Kurovski Jan 2013 #51
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #2
CreekDog Jan 2013 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
Live and Learn Jan 2013 #56
Deep13 Jan 2013 #7
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #11
HappyMe Jan 2013 #13
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #14
HappyMe Jan 2013 #15
CreekDog Jan 2013 #20
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #22
CreekDog Jan 2013 #18
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #21
CreekDog Jan 2013 #38
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #23
CreekDog Jan 2013 #24
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #25
CreekDog Jan 2013 #26
dsc Jan 2013 #27
CreekDog Jan 2013 #30
pintobean Jan 2013 #32
dsc Jan 2013 #42
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #41
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #16
ElboRuum Jan 2013 #17
Kurska Jan 2013 #19
dsc Jan 2013 #29
Politicalboi Jan 2013 #31
baldguy Jan 2013 #33
justiceischeap Jan 2013 #34
baldguy Jan 2013 #35
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #45
Heidi Jan 2013 #36
CreekDog Jan 2013 #37
Heidi Jan 2013 #47
CreekDog Jan 2013 #48
Heidi Jan 2013 #54
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #39
Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #40
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #44
The Straight Story Jan 2013 #49
CreekDog Jan 2013 #50
Raine Jan 2013 #53

Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:33 PM

1. I feel that we've gone overboard concerning tobacco.

And I don't even smoke.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:46 PM

3. I agree.

It's ridiculous already.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:52 PM

5. I don't. It's a foul cancer-causing substance, the smoking of which also stinks everything up.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:55 PM

6. Then don't smoke.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:56 PM

8. "which also stinks everything up."

Do swimming pools have a urinating section? Why not?

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:59 PM

10. No, but people still piss in pools all the time.

You can't smoke anywhere in any bar or restaurant. In a lot of cities you can't even smoke outside.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:03 PM

43. Not quite that simple.

First, there's sidestream smoke. Second, smoking increases healthcare costs which are often borne by society and not just the individual (e.g. medicare).

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:41 AM

57. It killed my mother.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:56 PM

9. I agree with HappyMe.

If you don't like smoking then fine, don't smoke.

Just stop trying to impose your private morality on the rest of us.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:07 PM

46. 'Morality' has nothing to do with it.

It stinks, it costs a bundle of money (which is a subject in the poll) and it kills people who don't even smoke.

Screw morality. It's a poison.

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Response to randome (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:53 AM

55. "Screw morality. It's a poison." Farking drug warrior bullshit

 

It's a plant. It has "good" qualities and "bad".

FFS When did so many people turn into 7th graders?

Some people still think Cannabis is "evil" and want to eradicate it from the genepool.

Those who demonize Tobacco are in the same pirate boat.

History of Niacin

Niacin was first described by chemist Hugo Weidel in 1873 in his studies of nicotine. The original preparation remains useful: The oxidation of nicotine using nitric acid. Niacin was extracted from livers by biochemist Conrad Elvehjem in 1937, who later identified the active ingredient, then referred to as the "pellagra-preventing factor" and the "anti-blacktongue factor." Soon after, in studies conducted in Alabama and Cincinnati, Dr. Tom Spies found that nicotinic acid cured the sufferers of pellagra

pass all the laws and taxes you want, I'm still going to enjoy my hand rolled organic tobacco. And I'll grow it myself and the government won't be getting a penny. And if I'm really good I'll show a hundred others how to do the same.

And if we're all successful the government will have to find another teat. Imagine that, telling us all it's so very bad while taking a cut of the "poison" every time an addict makes a buy...



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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:16 AM

52. Cars stink everything up with their foul exhausts spewing poison into the air. I assume

you don't own a car being that you feel so strongly about things stinking up the environment.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:41 AM

58. Smoking killed my mother.

 

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:34 AM

28. Not really. Taxing it enough to put up a barrier to teenagers

and preventing indoor spaces from being fouled with it are both sensible.

Set fire to those things outside, people, we'll get along just fine.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:14 AM

51. I also think we've gone overboard. even with the studies...we know it's bad...

Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:01 AM - Edit history (2)

quit beatin' the dead horse, take that research money and study pollution.

Let's Tax pollution while we're at it, which may be causing more health problems than cigarettes.

I wonder how many people even realise that auto exhaust contributes to heart disease, and living near a roadway increases cancer in children.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:42 PM

2. We have started to use the taxes from cigarettes to support things that are not smoking related

That is a bad move. As smoking declines (and it still is) there will be less and less funds to support the non-smoking related programs. Its dumb government.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:49 PM

4. with a statement like that, you could take a damned side

it wouldn't kill ya.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:02 AM

12. My dad died from tobacco use...I hate the stuff

But if it is handled properly I understand it will be with us for a while. I am more concerned about dumb moves by government.

What is interesting is that e-cigs, which address second hand smoke and many of the noxious parts about smoking are being banned on airlines and in some European countries. Another dumb move

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:12 AM

56. +1 nt

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:55 PM

7. We clearly have not done enough to insure a smoke-free society.

The goal back in the 1980s was a smoke free USA by 2000. Sadly about 15% of people are impressionable enough, insecure enough or just plain stupid enough to do something that is not only deadly and debilitating, but is expensive, disgusting to the point of making smokers social pariahs, and has no positive purpose whatsoever. Seriously, even it were harmless and free, why smoke?

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:01 AM

11. It aids relaxation?

I've smoked the occasional cigar in the past and found that it put me in a very relaxed, contemplative mood.

I've also been told that the ritual actions one performs when smoking can have a calming effect as well, as can the deep breaths taken when smoking (that one came from a psychologist by the way).

And honestly, if your neighbor wants to smoke in his back yard how does it hurt you?

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:04 AM

13. The only social pariahs I know

are the overbearing nanny types that want to bend everyone to their will.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:07 AM

14. Now, you're not going to research everyone who votes in THIS poll, are you?

Like you did in the poll you started this thread about

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240188953#op

where other DUers caught on, including this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240188953#post11

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:09 AM

15. Wait...What?



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:40 AM

20. he doesn't like sneaky behavior

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:45 AM

22. Deflection doesn't answer the question, does it?

You gonna go try to dig up dirt on the DUers who vote in this poll, like you did in the one talked about in the link I posted?

I'm sure those voting in this poll of yours would like to know.

Why don't you tell them?

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:35 AM

18. so you're saying you'd vote differently if you could keep it a secret?



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Response to CreekDog (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:40 AM

21. I wouldn't vote in one of your polls. Wouldn't like the snooping

that would ensue, given your track record and all...

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:05 PM

38. did you post in my thread multiple times to accuse me of stalking you?



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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:51 AM

23. Geez, is this true CreekDog?

It does seem a little...stalkerish, don't you think?

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:18 AM

24. who am i arguing with, you or Skip?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:21 AM

25. I'm not arguing.

I'm just asking if you really research all the folks who respond to your polls. If you do that's cool, but I think it is information your respondents should have.

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:27 AM

26. seems like you're both saying the same thing

do you do that often?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:33 AM

27. I had no idea that poll creators could see how people who respond to their polls respond

learn something new every day, that said, I think it is a bit much to be starting threads about people who respond to your polls.

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Response to dsc (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:37 AM

30. Poll Creators can see? Are you for real?

Everyone can see.

jeez.

and nevermind that my thread was about a poster who voted in my gungeon poll where nobody should have voted for the first option --and one of the few that did, had NOT A SINGLE DU POST.

so i asked.

and if someone takes wingnut position in my poll (though this poll doesn't have a wingnut position) i just might talk about it.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:27 AM

32. PASS

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:01 PM

42. Honestly didn't know that

I generally don't vote in these polls (the exception being ones that are about DU itself) since these 'polls' are voodoo math. I frankly should have been more observant but just wasn't.

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Response to dsc (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:54 PM

41. EVERYONE can see how someone votes in a poll

on DU3.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:10 AM

16. One of the best choices I ever made was to quit smoking, after nearly 2 decades as a smoker. nt

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:12 AM

17. Chose "weaken"...

...however, it's not the restrictions I mind, but the taxes need to either be reduced or a moratorium be placed on their raising.

Regressive taxation only hurts the poorest among us and "sin" taxes like this are precisely regressive.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:39 AM

19. Tobacco should be regulated like how I want all drugs regulated

In the privacy of your own home only, kept away from children, but easily available to anyone who wants it.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:36 AM

29. My answer isn't listed

I think the taxes are in many states about as high as can be borne without having a massive black market but their could be more restrictions in some places. I think all states should consider what NC did which is banning smoking in eateries, bars, and other public buildings unless they have rooms shut off with different circulation.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:43 AM

31. I'm a smoker and I voted to

Retain the same restrictions and taxes on cigarettes. Sometimes I don't like the restrictions, but that's the way things have been for almost 20 years now. I have started many conversations with people I may never had talked to if I hadn't gone outside to smoke.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:41 AM

33. Tobacco is a product that contains an addictive substance & causes cancer.

If it's used properly in the manner intended by the manufacturer, it kills people.

But capitalism has made it seem like a desirable & healthful lifestyle choice. What's wrong with a little truth to counter the corporate propaganda?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:15 AM

34. So do some foods. nt

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:22 AM

35. Such as?

Foods like butter and bacon all have nutritional value aside from their fat content. What is the nutritional value of tobacco?

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:05 PM

45. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Wow, that is the best false equivalency I have EVER read. Really, really, really dumb.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:09 AM

36. Candy cigarettes are not generally illegal in the U.S.

The sale of candy cigarettes, cigars and chew is banned by ordinance in some cities (like St. Paul, Minn.) but in general it is not illegal to buy or sell candy cigarettes in the US. One can easily buy candy cigarettes online at amazon.com and any number of nostalgic candy retailers.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:28 PM

37. actually they aren't legal anymore, here's a link:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm183211.htm


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FDA NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: Sept. 22, 2009

Contact: Kathleen K. Quinn, 301-796-4617, kathleen.quinn@fda.hhs.gov
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

Candy and Fruit Flavored Cigarettes Now Illegal in United States; Step is First Under New Tobacco Law
en Espaņol
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced today a ban on cigarettes with flavors characterizing fruit, candy, or clove. The ban, authorized by the new Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, is part of a national effort by the FDA to reduce smoking in America. Smoking is the leading preventable cause of death in America.

The FDA's ban on candy and fruit-flavored cigarettes, effective today, highlights the importance of reducing the number of children who start to smoke, and who become addicted to dangerous tobacco products. The FDA is also examining options for regulating both menthol cigarettes and flavored tobacco products other than cigarettes.

"Almost 90 percent of adult smokers start smoking as teenagers. These flavored cigarettes are a gateway for many children and young adults to become regular smokers," said FDA Commissioner Margaret A. Hamburg, M.D. "The FDA will utilize regulatory authority to reduce the burden of illness and death caused by tobacco products to enhance our Nation's public health."

Flavors make cigarettes and other tobacco products more appealing to youth. Studies have shown that 17 year old smokers are three times as likely to use flavored cigarettes as smokers over the age of 25.1

"Flavored cigarettes attract and allure kids into lifetime addiction," said U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary for Health Howard K. Koh, M.D., M.P.H. "FDA's ban on these cigarettes will break that cycle for the more than 3,600 young people who start smoking daily."

The FDA is taking several steps to enforce the ban. A letter recently sent to the tobacco industry provided information about the law, and explained that any company who continues to make, ship or sell such products may be subject to FDA enforcement actions.

The FDA has also made available today an advisory to parents on the risks associated with flavored tobacco products.

"Youth are twice as likely to report seeing advertising for these flavored products as adults are," said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, a pediatrician and the FDA Principal Deputy Commissioner. "Marketing campaigns for products with sweet candy and fruit flavors can mislead young people into thinking that these products are less addictive and less harmful."

The FDA encourages consumers to report continuing sales of flavored cigarettes through a special tobacco hotline (1-877-CTP-1373) and Web site (www.fda.gov/flavoredtobacco).

Parents and consumers can learn more about the risks of flavored tobacco products at http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/FlavoredTobacco/ucm183196.htm.


Footnote:

1 Klein SM, Giovino GA, Barker DC, Tworek C, Cummings KM, O'Connor RJ. Use of flavored cigarettes among older adolescent and adult smokers: United States, 2004-2005. Nicotine Tob Res. 2008;10(7):1209-14.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:53 AM

47. That act bans cigarettes flavored like candy,

not candy shaped like a cigarette.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:36 AM

48. okay, thanks for clarifying that

for some reason, I thought there was some sort of regulation on not marketing things that are linked to smoking with respect to children.

but it just seems like they simply are not doing it as much as decades ago.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:27 AM

54. Candy cigarettes were a staple of my childhood.

I think the reason you don't see candy cigarettes much anymore is because most candy retailers now understand that a kid even "pretend smoking" is pretty creepy and potentially harmful in the long run to impressionable children.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:13 PM

39. I support public smoking bans. What people do in their home is their business. nt

 

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:19 PM

40. I think people who smoke should be fired

and jailed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:04 PM

44. Increasing taxes on cigarettes reduces the smoking rate.

What kind of illiterate dipshit would oppose loosening regulations on those death sticks?

Christ on a crutch, there are some dumb OPs here today.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:49 AM

49. And there are regulations about lsyr term abortions as well

We need us some old white rich men to tell us how to live and punish us when we don't obey their laws

Some here like others telling them they will be punished by their choices.

Some of us here are truly pro choice and want to be able to not be sent to jail/etc when we don't make the choices others tell us.

Which person are you?

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:02 AM

50. smoking is dangerous to people who don't smoke

many times, those people are children.

this is not just about your body and your choices but the choices made for those who are exposed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:25 AM

53. Increase them. nt

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