Grade the speech. I'd give it an A+ - Democratic Underground

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:23 PM

highplainsdem (11,110 posts)

1. Michael Moore is giving it an A-

http://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/162011911125352448

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

The Wielding Truth (8,438 posts)

4. That very high from Michael and I agree.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:24 PM

vanlassie (1,686 posts)

2. Five Star Speech.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

highplainsdem (11,110 posts)

3. Howard Fineman: "This is one of president's best, most combative, substantive, politically shrewd

speeches. Progressive but centrist, partisan but sensible."

From Twitter:

http://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/162005243318636544

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

deacon (5,967 posts)

5. I don't know how he could do any better. A+

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

DevonRex (19,928 posts)

6. A+. Nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

Spazito (26,463 posts)

7. I give it a strong A, not quite an A+...

a barn burner of a SOTU address never the less. Enjoyed it very much especially the sour lemon faces of the repubs, their faces were the dessert after a very substantive meal.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:30 PM

SunsetDreams (8,299 posts)

8. A

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:31 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

9. Good, solid speech.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:31 PM

Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,849 posts)

10. Solid A. Not A+! I do not appreciate the President blaming BOTH sides for the gridlock in D.C.

This is all about Republican obstructionism.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:32 PM

monmouth (21,078 posts)

11. Candy Crowley thought he did a great job. Dear God, where are the flying pigs?? n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:32 PM

BlueIris (29,135 posts)

12. Meh. C-

Primarily for the painful lack of specifics, a typical problem for this president. I was also annoyed, even offended, by his obvious disengagement, and the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks. Wasn't surprised by the lackluster response from the audience either. Those people know what is going to happen next, and they are not happy about it.

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Response to BlueIris (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:54 AM

CakeGrrl (9,030 posts)

55. ...

Given your enduring wish that he step aside, I would've expected an F. I guess that's indicative of his success.

Someone who isn't predisposed to hearing "snide condescension" where there is none might consider that the "lackluster" response was because he called the GOP out on their obstructionist shit and they knew it.

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Response to BlueIris (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:22 PM

Arkana (22,209 posts)

71. "the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks".

Thanks for buying into the mother of all GOP talking points. Whatever you may think of Barack Obama, the last thing he is is snide and condescending.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:34 PM

mvd (59,744 posts)

13. B+. Really lost me with endorsing private companies being involved with health care

More combative than usual, but didn't dis-spell all my criticisms.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:34 PM

unkachuck (6,295 posts)

14. I'll give it a: C

....State-of-the-Union? It sounded more like the State-of-the-Corporation to me.

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Response to unkachuck (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:39 PM

mvd (59,744 posts)

17. Admittedly, I wanted the middle class discussion to go beyond..

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just comparing tax rates for the middle class and rich. I also am a bit worried about the Iran rhetoric. Overall, I thought it made a lot of good points, though. Infrastructure, mortgage relief, clean energy, etc.

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Response to mvd (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:28 AM

hfojvt (31,310 posts)

44. myself, I wish he would quit defining the middle class as

"households making less than $250,000 a year"

Uhm, only 2% of households make over $250,000. Those in the 85th to 98th percentile are not in the "middle", not even close.

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Response to unkachuck (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:19 AM

Art_from_Ark (16,892 posts)

43. It reminded me too much of Reagan's "Morning in America"

although the part about not giving any more $$$$ to bad banks was OK. Not that they really need any more than the trillion$$$$ they've already got from Uncle Sugar, though.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:34 PM

nanabugg (2,198 posts)

15. A++

Audience C+ Including Democrats. There were times when they should have been standing on their feet yelling like hell. Had it been Bush, the Rethugs would still be yelling and applauding.

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:46 PM

joeglow3 (3,243 posts)

24. That is why I quit watching the SOTU

I hate hearing both sides get up a yell or boo every other sentence. Shut up and listen to what he has to say. I have decided it is much better to read the speech.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:36 PM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

16. Gentleman's C. Against the populist calls must be

balanced the national chauvinism and saber-rattling.

The Gettysburg Address this ain't.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:08 AM

JackRiddler (19,338 posts)

42. A gentleman's C would be the highest grade any of these president characters ever got from me.

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Nice cogent dozen-word summary, by the way:

Against the populist calls must be balanced the national chauvinism and saber-rattling.

And the perpetual growth ideology, and the rigorous adherence to the idea that government exists to serve private capital (in this case: if it's semi-civilized), but should avoid if possible ever hiring anyone in the public sector ever again. These are, of course, perennials, but some will want to take me to task for being so impolite as to still notice such things when the president is a D.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:41 PM

Johnny2X2X (737 posts)

18. A

A fantastic speech that will boost him in the polls and really challenges Republicans to come up with their own ideas. It was a great great speech and this will leave Republicans reeling in the coming weeks.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

Cognitive_Resonance (985 posts)

19. Home Run nt

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Response to Cognitive_Resonance (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:44 PM

mikekohr (2,056 posts)

22. Another Home Run, President Obama is like the Bambino, without the strikeouts

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Response to Cognitive_Resonance (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:55 PM

highplainsdem (11,110 posts)

29. Yes, it was!

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Response to Cognitive_Resonance (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:58 PM

DCBob (14,765 posts)

31. and Mitch Daniels got a bunt hit.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:27 AM

Scuba (26,704 posts)

58. Mitch Daniels struck out looking.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:43 PM

lonestarnot (71,133 posts)

20. A- for the first two points on the war of lies.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:43 PM

DCBob (14,765 posts)

21. agreed. it was the perfect tone given the situation.

Well done Mr President.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:45 PM

joshcryer (39,746 posts)

23. A+, most leftist policy proposals in one speech that he's ever done.

Yes, this is left of any of his 2008 speeches policy-wise.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:46 PM

RZM (8,295 posts)

25. A- . . . very good work. Not perfect but pretty damn good n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:48 PM

arely staircase (4,149 posts)

26. A+

he knocked it completely out of the park. he'll eat mittens or nooot alive.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:12 PM

highplainsdem (11,110 posts)

34. Agreed. They're no match for him.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:48 PM

DCBob (14,765 posts)

27. Heres a good metric: John Stossel on Faux just said "Obama was the better salesman"

as compared to Mitch Daniels.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:49 PM

tallahasseedem (4,449 posts)

28. A (took the + away for the milk joke).

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:55 PM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

30. A. (not A+) Solid A, though.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:11 PM

Skinner (57,369 posts)

32. A

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:12 PM

Scurrilous (24,650 posts)

33. Agreed. n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:31 PM

Denver Progressive (108 posts)

35. He really did hit it out of the ballpark.

He put the republicans to shame. I liked what I heard tonight. Go Obama!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:33 PM

Motown_Johnny (15,457 posts)

36. A- (drill baby drill was a deduction for me)

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and the fracking crap, plus medicare and social security are on the table again and more offshore drilling

He did a great job but there are some things in there I wish he had left out.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:04 AM

Melissa G (9,513 posts)

64. With you on that.

Adding: The emphasis on private sector health care was another slam against the public option.
While the delivery was excellent and the political savvy high, the progressive substance did not rate as well. B+ for a Dem, A, if he was a Republican.

Noting: One of Obama's favorite devices is to out-Republican, Republicans. He tends to put their ideas on the table first. I don't think this actually works as well in Washington as he thinks it does.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:51 PM

JitterbugPerfume (18,072 posts)

37. Did you see the sour puss look on Cantors face?

That alone deserves a solid A!

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Response to JitterbugPerfume (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:36 PM

BlancheSplanchnik (7,705 posts)

67. yes and it really made me wonder

what is wrong with a human being who is clearly against helping people, fair pay, fair taxation, encouraging job growth, rebuilding infrastructure, ending rewards for outsourcing and robbery? Boner, too...I noticed what he applauded and what he didn't.....

just crazy.

I only wish, when Obama was talking about FDR's years and post WWII compared to now, asking what's different. My immediate thought was that back in those days, traitors intent on rallying hatred against the enemy and destroying the nation, like the propagandists of WWII, were NOT blasting the airwaves 24/7 with messages encouraging violence against fellow US citizens!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:53 PM

Tarheel_Dem (16,643 posts)

38. Agreed! DU Rec.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:53 PM

madamesilverspurs (6,755 posts)

39. A for Awesome

And totally worth it for the times Boehner looked like he was trying to swallow his own face!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:55 PM

boxman15 (1,029 posts)

40. A solid A

His milk joke was lame. Michelle had this "Oh God that was terrible" look on her face afterward.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:39 AM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

41. B+

Some of was a little too boiler-plate. He kinda wandered on education and energy. I thought he could have devoted more time to health insurance reform and made a direct comment on the Tucson shooting. The hug of Giffords was nice, but there were other victims of that day too, and there are victims of gun violence every day. He didn't discuss the political situation in Mexico at all, although he did discuss immigration in broad terms. I'm looking forward to Jacob Lew really getting into the swing, because Bill Daley hasn't been effective.

Overall though it was a very good political speech, though perhaps not so much on policy. I think he certainly put the fear in Mittens, Noot, and the Congressional Republicans.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:32 AM

hfojvt (31,310 posts)

45. Why?

Myself, I got bored by at least 8:40. Too many proposals that I was unsure of without specifics. Like business tax cuts to create jobs.

And other proposals and rhetoric that I just plain do not like - like the stupid payroll tax cut for the rich. And entitlement reform? He still wants to cut social security and medicare?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:42 AM

joshcryer (39,746 posts)

47. Did you watch the enhanced version? His speech was basically talored for it.

If you go to whitehouse channel on YouTube or the WhiteHouse.gov website you can see the replay.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:39 AM

VKaz (12 posts)

46. I would give it an A myself

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:47 AM

T S Justly (884 posts)

48. Unless there's progressive action ...

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I'd give it a zero.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:55 AM

dooner (1,089 posts)

49. B+

Many great words... but actions speak louder than words.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:13 AM

Brother Buzz (8,366 posts)

50. In baseball parlance he hit a stand-up triple

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:25 AM

cstanleytech (5,299 posts)

51. A for Obama and C for Boehner as he looked constipated during

the speech probably because there was little to nothing he could refute about to the president not that he wont try to spin it still.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:40 AM

sabrina 1 (34,048 posts)

52. I would give it an A

first because we heard none of the'deficit/shared sacrifice' or 'SS needs fixing' language that was so prevalent before OWS came into the picture.

I liked his remarks on education, especially the call to stop 'teaching to the test'. This seems to be against what Arne Duncan has been promoting and I hope it is the beginning of the end of NCLB.

I liked what he said about children who were brought here as babies and getting them on the path to citizenship.

Also especially what he said about prosecuting Wall St. criminals, that was most unexpected since he previously said what they did was 'immoral' rather than 'criminal' something that was very, very frustrating to many people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:23 AM

eridani (38,401 posts)

57. Agree completely

Given that this is an election year, actual followup could pay big dividends in November.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:47 AM

tavalon (25,684 posts)

53. I didn't watch it, but I have no doubt he did a good, nay magnificent speech

President Obama is a speechifier like no other. It's the follow through he sucks at.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:53 AM

scardycat (34 posts)

54. A+++

He made me cry at the end when he said we should all be working together for the good of America. So moving.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:48 AM

ejbr (3,953 posts)

56. Definitely an A for what he said...

let's see what grade he gets for what he tries.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:38 AM

nevergiveup (3,715 posts)

59. Solid A from me

A tad long for my tastes but the ending made it worth it. It was likely the best SOTU I have heard and I go back to Eisenhower.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:39 AM

AngryAmish (19,611 posts)

60. Gutsy.

Shit, no, that was killing Osama. I think he should get a Nobel Prize for it.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:49 AM

ZenLefty (20,924 posts)

61. A

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:00 AM

kentuck (66,175 posts)

62. C

being charitable.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:02 AM

deaniac21 (6,416 posts)

63. Can't Grade

Dozed off.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:08 AM

geardaddy (14,312 posts)

65. I don't know what grade I'd give it.

I liked a lot of it, but the "We will leave every option open on Iran" and the fracking and drilling stuff scared me.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:53 AM

Kablooie (8,853 posts)

66. I'd give it an O for Bama.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

Napoleon838 (9 posts)

68. Excellent

I think that it was a great speech given! It shows that America is strong and ready to progress. I liked how he said he would not give up. Almost his entire speech I teared up thinking of the wonderful American values coming alive again, and Americans beginning to once again work as a team for the common good. After that speech I can now believe that America will one day be the best in the world again. I give the speech an A++.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:54 PM

Broderick (4,578 posts)

69. B+

On delivery an A.

See, the reason I couldn't give it an A overall is that I was expecting rainbows and a unicorn for everyone. Clearly, he didn't even attempt to broach that subject.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:22 PM

LanternWaste (16,312 posts)

70. An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking.

An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:39 PM

LiberalLovinLug (2,024 posts)

72. Grade the speech? A

It is one of his strongest abilities.

It only highlights what influence he would've, could've, should've had if he had used the bully pulpit like this to go all out for a public option.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:08 PM

Puglover (14,588 posts)

73. What did they do back when I was in H/S?

C+over A.

If he delivers next semester he gets an A. If not C+.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:36 PM

jwirr (20,908 posts)

74. A+ from me and the family.

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:39 PM

TheWraith (24,331 posts)

75. Generally, A+.

There were a couple of places where I thought the segues between topics were kind of weak, particularly at the end where he went into the section about working together, but the rest of it was just too damn good.

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75 replies	Author	Time	Post
Grade the speech. I'd give it an A+ (Original post)	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	OP
Michael Moore is giving it an A-	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	#1
That very high from Michael and I agree.	The Wielding Truth	Jan 2012	#4
Five Star Speech.	vanlassie	Jan 2012	#2
Howard Fineman: "This is one of president's best, most combative, substantive, politically shrewd	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	#3
I don't know how he could do any better. A+	deacon	Jan 2012	#5
A+. Nt	DevonRex	Jan 2012	#6
I give it a strong A, not quite an A+...	Spazito	Jan 2012	#7
A	SunsetDreams	Jan 2012	#8
Good, solid speech.	Odin2005	Jan 2012	#9
Solid A. Not A+! I do not appreciate the President blaming BOTH sides for the gridlock in D.C.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2012	#10
Candy Crowley thought he did a great job. Dear God, where are the flying pigs?? n/t	monmouth	Jan 2012	#11
Meh. C-	BlueIris	Jan 2012	#12
...	CakeGrrl	Jan 2012	#55
"the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks".	Arkana	Jan 2012	#71
B+. Really lost me with endorsing private companies being involved with health care	mvd	Jan 2012	#13
I'll give it a: C	unkachuck	Jan 2012	#14
Admittedly, I wanted the middle class discussion to go beyond..	mvd	Jan 2012	#17
myself, I wish he would quit defining the middle class as	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#44
It reminded me too much of Reagan's "Morning in America"	Art_from_Ark	Jan 2012	#43
A++	nanabugg	Jan 2012	#15
That is why I quit watching the SOTU	joeglow3	Jan 2012	#24
Gentleman's C. Against the populist calls must be	coalition_unwilling	Jan 2012	#16
A gentleman's C would be the highest grade any of these president characters ever got from me.	JackRiddler	Jan 2012	#42
A	Johnny2X2X	Jan 2012	#18
Home Run nt	Cognitive_Resonance	Jan 2012	#19
Another Home Run, President Obama is like the Bambino, without the strikeouts	mikekohr	Jan 2012	#22
Yes, it was!	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	#29
and Mitch Daniels got a bunt hit.	DCBob	Jan 2012	#31
Mitch Daniels struck out looking.	Scuba	Jan 2012	#58
A- for the first two points on the war of lies.	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#20
agreed. it was the perfect tone given the situation.	DCBob	Jan 2012	#21
A+, most leftist policy proposals in one speech that he's ever done.	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#23
A- . . . very good work. Not perfect but pretty damn good n/t	RZM	Jan 2012	#25
A+	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#26
Agreed. They're no match for him.	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	#34
Heres a good metric: John Stossel on Faux just said "Obama was the better salesman"	DCBob	Jan 2012	#27
A (took the + away for the milk joke).	tallahasseedem	Jan 2012	#28
A. (not A+) Solid A, though.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2012	#30
A	Skinner	Jan 2012	#32
Agreed. n/t	Scurrilous	Jan 2012	#33
He really did hit it out of the ballpark.	Denver Progressive	Jan 2012	#35
A- (drill baby drill was a deduction for me)	Motown_Johnny	Jan 2012	#36
With you on that.	Melissa G	Jan 2012	#64
Did you see the sour puss look on Cantors face?	JitterbugPerfume	Jan 2012	#37
yes and it really made me wonder	BlancheSplanchnik	Jan 2012	#67
Agreed! DU Rec.	Tarheel_Dem	Jan 2012	#38
A for Awesome	madamesilverspurs	Jan 2012	#39
A solid A	boxman15	Jan 2012	#40
B+	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#41
Why?	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#45
Did you watch the enhanced version? His speech was basically talored for it.	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#47
I would give it an A myself	VKaz	Jan 2012	#46
Unless there's progressive action ...	T S Justly	Jan 2012	#48
B+	dooner	Jan 2012	#49
In baseball parlance he hit a stand-up triple	Brother Buzz	Jan 2012	#50
A for Obama and C for Boehner as he looked constipated during	cstanleytech	Jan 2012	#51
I would give it an A	sabrina 1	Jan 2012	#52
Agree completely	eridani	Jan 2012	#57
I didn't watch it, but I have no doubt he did a good, nay magnificent speech	tavalon	Jan 2012	#53
A+++	scardycat	Jan 2012	#54
Definitely an A for what he said...	ejbr	Jan 2012	#56
Solid A from me	nevergiveup	Jan 2012	#59
Gutsy.	AngryAmish	Jan 2012	#60
A	ZenLefty	Jan 2012	#61
C	kentuck	Jan 2012	#62
Can't Grade	deaniac21	Jan 2012	#63
I don't know what grade I'd give it.	geardaddy	Jan 2012	#65
I'd give it an O for Bama.	Kablooie	Jan 2012	#66
Excellent	Napoleon838	Jan 2012	#68
B+	Broderick	Jan 2012	#69
An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking.	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#70
Grade the speech? A	LiberalLovinLug	Jan 2012	#72
What did they do back when I was in H/S?	Puglover	Jan 2012	#73
A+ from me and the family.	jwirr	Jan 2012	#74
Generally, A+.	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#75