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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:27 PM

 

Why Voters Tune Out Democrats

Stanley B. Greenberg is the chief executive of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a polling company that works with center-left political parties in the United States and abroad.


My vantage point on voter behavior comes through my company, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, and its work for center-left parties globally, starting with Bill Clinton’s presidential campaign in 1992. For the last decade, I have worked in partnership with James Carville conducting monthly polls digging into America’s mood and studying how progressives can develop successful electoral strategies. (I am also married to a Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut, Rosa L. DeLauro.)

In analyzing these polls in the United States, I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government — and that they associate Democrats with government. If Democrats are going to be encumbered by that link, they need to change voters’ feelings about government. They can recite their good plans as a mantra and raise their voices as if they had not been heard, but voters will not listen to them if government is disreputable.

But in smaller, more probing focus groups, voters show they are fairly cynical about Democratic politicians’ stands. They tune out the politicians’ fine speeches and plans and express sentiments like these: “It’s just words.” “There’s just such a control of government by the wealthy that whatever happens, it’s not working for all the people; it’s working for a few of the people.” “We don’t have a representative government anymore.”

This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy sidelines Democrats and liberalism. Just a quarter of the country is optimistic about our system of government — the lowest since polls by ABC and others began asking this question in 1974. But a crisis of government legitimacy is a crisis of liberalism. It doesn’t hurt Republicans. If government is seen as useless, what is the point of electing Democrats who aim to use government to advance some public end?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/tuning-out-the-democrats.html?_r=2&

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:30 PM

1. Tell It To President Romney, Ma'am

And Majority Leader McConnell.

Then count the total votes for Representatives.

After that, perhaps you might consider a new hobby?

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:32 PM

2. .



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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:33 PM

3. My thoughts exactly. n/t

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:33 PM

5. Oh for goodness sakes its an analysis by a D pollster.

 

Geez.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:35 PM

7. As I read this I'm imagining Donald Rumsfeld's voice. "My stars, Jimminy Christmas what is

the big deal."

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:35 PM

8. It should also take into account the more than 1 million

more votes cast for House Democrats, and the gains in the Senate.

Sometimes analysis can suck.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:37 PM

12. It actually points to something larger, the disconnect people feel from their government.

 

I think that is what he is raising the alarm over.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:39 PM

17. It's a year-and-a-half-old opinion.

Why the hell did you post this given Democrats just kicked ass in the last election?

What the hell is the point?


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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:44 PM

22. Oh really? I just saw a tweet on it.

 

Odd.

And it's not so much about the election but the effectiveness of government and the perception of government that is interesting to me.


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Response to dkf (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:51 PM

29. Was it a Tweet from the RNC?

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:52 PM

30. .



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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:23 PM

41. Like you wouldn't believe. My problem is why this shit has

gone on as long as it has.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:32 PM

70. Skinner's sister in law

Not allowed the ban, or no sexy time.

It's the only reason I can come up with.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:02 PM

62. Boom

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:31 PM

69. ROFL...that one gets and sends blast faxes from the RNC



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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:03 AM

75. ......



Thanks now I have to clean up my screen.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:00 PM

35. Republican obstruction is a tactic to make people lose faith in government

A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.


http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/3079:goodbye-to-all-that-reflections-of-a-gop-operative-who-left-the-cult


But I don't think it's working. It's boomeranging back on THEM.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:47 PM

26. Published: July 30, 2011

Last edited Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Didn't Newsmax or Fox have anything newer for you?



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:39 PM

54. ...

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:14 PM

47. From 2011

This is 2013.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:03 PM

64. And you posted it. Why?? You failed to tell us if you agree or disagree.

Maybe you thought you would just give us a "drive-by" and leave a little turd.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:59 PM

71. This is big picture stuff about how we relate to our Government and what we want and trust it to do.

 

Why is it a turd? It's poll data and the kind of thing that is used to craft strategies.

Moreover the guy is a Democratic pollster so why would he be suspect?

Why is it so hard to take what should be insightful at face value?

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Response to dkf (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:13 PM

73. You just thought you'd drop some data on us? Why? To see if we would

react? When you drop some data with out giving your opinion, I call it a turd.

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Response to dkf (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:42 AM

77. Dem pollster so he says. nt

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:40 PM

19. +1

LOL!

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:38 PM

16. LOL and +1

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:39 PM

18. but without dkf recycling bullshit like this from 2011, I'd have so much less to laugh at

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:46 PM

25. Zing!



RL

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:47 PM

27. All I can say to that sir is...

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:39 AM

76. Isn't this outdated?

Who just won the election –– the presidency, alarger majority in the Senate and more votes in the house despite severely gerrymandered districts from the 2010 census? Perhaps new research is warranted considering the shrinking repug base and the fast growing dem coalition of Latinos, blacks, Asians, women, native Americans, gays and progressive whites. Am I leaving anyone out? Yep, I'd say new research is in order.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:33 PM

4. who tuned out democrats? we just won the Presidency.

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Response to spanone (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:01 PM

36. This is from the Alternate Universe where Romney won.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:36 PM

9. Didn't the President just win by over 5 million votes?

It seems to me that they didn't tune out!

This is a laughable opinion article if you ask me...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:36 PM

10. Whatta useless post. nt

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:37 PM

13. Damn! My bad, this from July 2011.

What?



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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:38 PM

15. I was just posting the same thing...

WTF? LOL!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:37 PM

14. Wait, this article is from 2011...

Why are you posting this now?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:42 PM

21. I won't call you a troll.

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Response to Robb (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:45 PM

24. That would be wrong.

Fun....

But wrong.

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Response to Robb (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:03 AM

78. dkf is most certainly not a troll.

At 30,000+ posts, I don't think the OP can qualify as a troll.

Now a deep mole on the other hand...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:44 PM

23. Bless your heart! And thank you for your concern.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:54 PM

31. Still, the Dems should take the fate of Britain's Labour Party as a warning

They got in by saying that they were the anti-Conservatives in 1997 but after then spending the next 10 years 1) Maintaining policies enacted by the Conservatives instead of undoing them, 2) Adopting more and more over-the-top surveillance and security state practices, 3) Allowing virtually unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe, which displaced a lot of would-be entry level British workers, and 4) Getting involved in Bush's wars, Labour lost their credibility with the British public.

It didn't help that Cameron put on his sweetie-pie face during the campaign and that a lot of people assumed that the Liberal Party in coalition with the Conservatives would keep their worst instincts in check. People were disappointed in Labour, and so they were out.

Now recent news reports are saying that Conservatives in Parliament were laughing gleefully as they cut benefits for the unemployed and working poor.

You may say that British voters were stupid to vote the Conservatives in, but if Labour had been doing its job instead of going all Third Way, they'd still be in power.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:57 PM

32. Divided U.S. Gives Obama More Time

Barack Hussein Obama was re-elected president of the United States on Tuesday, overcoming powerful economic headwinds, a lock-step resistance to his agenda by Republicans in Congress and an unprecedented torrent of advertising as a divided nation voted to give him more time.

In defeating Mitt Romney, the president carried Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, Virginia and Wisconsin, a near sweep of the battleground states, and was holding a narrow advantage in Florida. The path to victory for Mr. Romney narrowed as the night wore along, with Mr. Obama winning at least 303 electoral votes.

A cheer of jubilation sounded at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago when the television networks began projecting him as the winner at 11:20 p.m., even as the ballots were still being counted in many states where voters had waited in line well into the night. The victory was far narrower than his historic election four years ago, but it was no less dramatic.

“Tonight in this election, you, the American people, reminded us that while our road has been hard, while our journey has been long, we have picked ourselves up, we have fought our way back,” Mr. Obama told his supporters early Wednesday. “We know in our hearts that for the United States of America, the best is yet to come.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/obama-romney-presidential-election-2012.html?pagewanted=all

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:28 AM

83. Never mind Romney being so godawful bad had nothing to do with it.

 

Yeah, sure, ya betcha
See post #31 for what happen in Britain. There is nothing to stop the same thing from happening here. Nothing.
With all the Republicans Obama is appointing, it looks like it is happening here.

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Response to RC (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:53 AM

86. And perhaps without a right-wing media carrying water for Romney 24/7,

and Republican governors conspiring to deny people the right to vote, and non-stop bullshit polls, the margin of victory would have been even greater.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:12 AM

88. Just think of the margin of victory, if the Republicans had their act together and

 

were honest (as politicians go) and had the best interest of the country in mind. You know, like Eisenhower Republicans and not the current crop of Off the Right side cliff, teabaggin', fascist obstructionists.
Romney got 47%? WTH? In a sane world, he should not even have been running. We need to balance Obama winning against what he was running against. Not doing that and we end up in the same ditch as the Republicans.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:58 PM

33. I'm sorry, did you say something?

You know how it is here on Distracted Underground where...hey...wanna see a pic of a kitteh that looks just like Hitler?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:59 PM

34. Is that why Obama got 51% because voters tuned

him out? Is that why Dems picked up seats in the last election because voters tuned them out.
I think there need to be some splain'n to do.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:07 PM

38. Don't shortchange him. He received 53% of the vote.

Romney got his 47% he likes to talk about.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:16 PM

89. No, Obama got only 51%. You're forgetting the small fry.

To the nearest hundredth of a percent:

Obama 51.03%
Romney 47.19%
Johnson 0.99%
Stein 0.36%
Others 0.43%



One source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Results

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:09 PM

91. I tend to ignore fringe candidates

But considering who the other candidates were, they were votes against Romney.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:06 PM

37. I feel sorry for you sometimes, dkf

Nobody likes you and most people think you're a Republican troll, including myself.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:22 PM

40. I sometimes wonder. Not really sure what party, but I do know this;

she thinks she is smarter than everyone here. Smug would be a good word.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:02 PM

63. So would "deluded."

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:40 PM

57. I second that motion! eom

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:28 PM

68. At least slackmaster doesn't hide the fact that he's a conservative trolling here.

dkf should also come clean.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:29 PM

43. Reagan made stupidity respectable!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:46 PM

44. I have never laughed out loud more than I have at this post.

Bravo thank you for entertaining me.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:51 PM

45. Wow... I guess you really are invincible.

At Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:22 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Why Voters Tune Out Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022163483

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Recycled RW gibberish dating back to July 2011 from an obvious RW troll.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:33 PM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: rightwing trash
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is f/ed up, dkf. Since the discussion is genteel, I am not going to lock it. Why don't you come back and join, though?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alerted post is too substantive, too nuanced, and too objectively presented to qualify as "RW gibberish." Besides, dkf is a longstanding DUer. I don't know him/her personally, but I've seen that name around here for too long to beleive he/she is "an obvious troll." Lacking any substantive argument besides simple name-calling, the alerting DUer seems to be someone who just can't handle reading facts he/she doesn't like.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It is not clear to me why this post was flagged.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I disagree with the post -- and don't particularly like it -- but I am not willing to accept calling someone with 30K posts to this site a "troll" merely on that basis! This is an abuse of the alert system, IMO.

Thank you.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:11 PM

46. I agree with this article. We have to reinforce the message that WeThePeople = Government.

Too many stand aside and rail at Democrats, call them corporate puppets and ignore local politics where this meme is pushed daily. It's pushed to the point the liberals and progressives are unable to advertise their product - which is government is for everyone, not a foe, not a burden, but OF ALL OF US.

I see at DU daily posts that say Democrats are part and parcel of a failed government, that we don't have control or voice, that unnamed or dramatically termed forces are running this, not us. The same voices that offer only grief and despair, along with a strong serving of disdain and spite, will never see anything that Obama and Dems do as enough. The GOP is powerful enough now without the sabotage.

We have a lot of people here, and in this nation, who want the system to collapse. For their idea of revolution and a return to nature, for some sort of community idea that they believe government is keeping them from achieving. Is it government, or is it the groups in society that they are afraidto deal with, then blame government?

The suspension of rules on the CT postings in the main forums is a good thing to make people who continously call Obama the sell-out, traitor to us all, call Democrats spineless, and both parties are the exact same, explain just what they want. Do they want a government of the people, when the only party that believes in it is the Democratic Party, not the outliers, the libertarians, etc. who want this government gone and out of their way?

Yes, we have big problems and they require either big government, or a magical changing of the hearts and minds of everyone. They've have to change to believe that every single person, including millions they don't even want to share the highways with, much their income or neighborhood, will happen.

Until that time, the Democratic Party and the government it is known for working within is our best bet. The other side are betting on us not voting and blowing it all off.

We have not had a chance in major media to make our case, and are not likely to have, any time soon. We have major programs that affect the lives of many, many millions of Americans, but the only things are said about them is people are getting screwed or they won't exist - just like conservatives have been saying since they began.

Govenment has become a dirty word, and that's reality. Part of that is the reality of the social contract. Many of us hate the MIC, but it's part of it. Those who adore and get money from it, hate social welfare programs. It is out of balance, but like it or not, it is the same animal. It one that we have either run from or refused it exists, but it does. Some want the entire government gone to get rid of the MIC, want default, want chaos because they think that somehow there will be a liberal, progressive system replace. I'd say the chances of that are NIL. Liberal and progressive means working within the system, not howling for the government's destruction.

It's why public workers, services, schools, parks and the rest are being stolen without a peep. Take a look around at local political offices and programs, watch who is involved in government. It is, and always will be WeThePeople. If not the Democrats, it will be the Republicans/Tea Partiers or Libertarians. It will be there, in some form or another.

Just my two cents.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:18 PM

48. Year and a half old piece

Written after the 2010 disaster...crimminy.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:21 PM

49. New Poll: Democrats have party affiliation advantage by +7.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:23 PM

50. What's next, Karl Rove's 2012 election predictions?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:31 PM

51. Interesting article. Thanks for posting. (nt)

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:37 PM

52. Wow you are getting desperate!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:38 PM

53. "election still too close to call in Jan 2013 - this is dkf, reporting for CNN"

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:40 PM

56. lol

another example as to why I tune out dfk

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:39 PM

55. CNN: election still too close to call.

Yawn.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:40 PM

58. Why DU is tuning out dkf.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:41 PM

59. Well played ma'am. At this point I'm convinced that you could post a daily link to Drudge and the

administration here wouldn't do dick.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:59 PM

60. LOL!

I've pretty much drawn the same conclusion myself!

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:09 AM

87. . . . . and it's not like we're not providing proof of this . . .

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:00 PM

61. I think President Obama would beg to differ with this STUPID essay.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:39 PM

65. You convinced me. I'm going back to 2012 and recasting my vote for Romney this time.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:46 PM

66. It's good to have some examination of why we lost the election so badly

We really need to think through what we're doing as a party. Maybe we should just move to the right. That might make people tune us out less, eh?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:03 PM

72. judging by this article, Democrats are going to lose the presidency, House seats, and Senate seats

oh no. i mean.

oh wait, is this article 1.5 years old?



you are not smooth my friend.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:59 AM

74. I must be trippin' nt

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:20 AM

79. Good and Bad

It is always a good thing to examine our relationship with voters: what do we need to do to get people on our side, and to work with us. However, this piece is meant more to build up negative stereotypes of democrat:

But a crisis of government legitimacy is a crisis of liberalism. It doesn’t hurt Republicans. If government is seen as useless, what is the point of electing Democrats who aim to use government to advance some public end?

With all due respect, the crisis is not liberalism. Social Security, Medicare, Student Loans, are all LIBERAL things. It also feeds into the idea that Democrats are the government, when the past 30 years have seen the GOP get what they want,how they want it, by hook and by crook!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:29 AM

80. or they can just continue to play Mee Too to the Republicans

as "centrist" second bananas, and follow God's Party over the Fascist Rainbow. After all, Mussolini wasn't as bad as Hitler. Who knows? Maybe with some lucky breaks it will all turn out OK somehow.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:57 AM

81. Gee, former President Obama should have heeded this advice

oh, wait...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:12 AM

82. It isn't so much that this causes voters to tune out Democrats but it is true for many non-voters

It is also a reason why some voters bother to listen to the TeaPubliKlans at all.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:34 AM

84. WTF? This doesn't explain why there are so many goddammed republicans in the government.

If this were correct, there'd be more third-party officeholders.

Nah, people are just lying their asses off to Mr. Greenberg. They say that shit about Democrats because they're ashamed of electing republicans.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:44 AM

85. MORE RECENT: January 9, 2013 Gallup: In U.S., Democrats Re-Establish Lead in Party Affiliation

In U.S., Democrats Re-Establish Lead in Party Affiliation
In 2012, 47% identified or leaned Democratic, 42% Republican
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- An average of 47% of Americans identified as Democrats or said they were independents who leaned Democratic in 2012, compared with 42% who identified as or leaned Republican. That re-establishes a Democratic edge in party affiliation after the two parties were essentially tied in 2010 and 2011




http://www.gallup.com/poll/159740/democrats-establish-lead-party-affiliation.aspx


2011 is so yesterday.

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Response to SunsetDreams (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:06 PM

90. We have a whopping 5% advantage in affiliation, so we don't need to consider any problems?

Given the way the Republicans have acted -- everything from the threatened shutdown, to trying to voucherize Medicare, to all the rape idiocies -- our party advantage should be much larger. Obviously, although the Republican Party has factors detracting from its image, so does the Democratic Party. The linked article is a serious attempt to examine the latter.

Contrary to some of the posts above, the actual article (if you trouble to read it) does not advocate that Democrats lurch to the right to try to win votes. In fact, it notes that "many voters prefer the policies of Democrats to the policies of Republicans."

The article's actual recommendation is one that most DUers would probably agree with: The Democrats' message should be "The middle class won’t catch a break until we confront the power of money and the lobbyists." This is elaborated with some specific proposals, the first of which is: "The Democrats have to start detoxifying politics by proposing to severely limit or bar individual and corporate campaign contributions, which would mean a fight with the Supreme Court." If criticizing Citizens United is deemed right-wing trolling, this place will empty out pretty quickly.

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