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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:11 PM

 

Gun bans and abortion bans - a remarkable Puritanical similarity

(Disclosure: I am pro-choice on both)

These are both very difficult topics that each split the country beyond class lines. And they each have tremendous political impact.

But look at what each have in common:

1- A need to control others
2- A crusade to "save the innocent"
3- The need for an intrusive government to implement new law
4- A sense of moral high ground

Puritanical? Sure they are. Both purport to establish a New World that is beyond attainment. Abortions will never go away. Gun violence will never end.

Prohibition does not work.

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Reply Gun bans and abortion bans - a remarkable Puritanical similarity (Original post)
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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:13 PM

1. Well said!!

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Response to montanto (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:20 PM

63. You're kidding right?

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Response to montanto (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:26 PM

68. 100%

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:15 PM

2. yep..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:20 PM

64. nope

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:16 PM

3. the two don't equate at all. A woman's right is 1st amend. A gun takes that away

 

has nothing to do with government intrusion

a governments main function is to keep the people safe
guns take away that function

a woman's choice is equal to freedom of speech

a gun kills ones freedom of speech

so sorry, the two have nothing to do with each other

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:19 PM

5. Please cite the words from the 1st supporting "A woman's right is 1st amend." Thanks

 

ON EDIT ADD: You say "a governments main function is to keep the people safe" BUT SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect an individual unless she/he is in custody. Self-defense is a personal responsibility.

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Response to jody (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:26 PM

7. so one should have shoulder to air missles?

 

nowhere does it state guns should be in the streets.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:28 PM

9. Hell' why not go with the nuclear bomb theory

 

You got it wrong in the thread .

Deal with it.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:40 PM

23. a gun violates everyones first amendment rights ask Dr. Tiller

 

they have no choice whatsoever when they kill all the kind meek doctors, and in a church no less

ask Dr. Tiller a gun violated his first amendment rights

therefore every person who might have gone in Kansas, no longer could

thanks to a gun.

the two issues have nothing to do with each other, the OP is 100% incorrect.

as are everyone who owns a gun.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:00 PM

45. No, actually, only government can violate one's first amendment rights..

and even if one could violate another's constitutional rights, an inanimate object certainly couldn't..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:03 PM

48. ask Dr. Tiller who would love to respond to your question ...also ask the following ...

 

CHARLOTTE BACON, 6
DANIEL BARDEN, 7
RACHEL DAVINO, 29
OLIVIA ENGEL, 6
JOSEPHINE GAY, 7
ANA G. MARQUEZ-GREENE, 6
DYLAN HOCKLEY, 6
DAWN HOCHSPRUNG, 47
MADELEINE F. HSU, 6
CATHERINE V. HUBBARD, 6
CHASE KOWALSKI, 7
JESSE LEWIS, 6
JAMES MATTIOLI, 6
GRACE MCDONNELL, 7
ANNE MARIE MURPHY, 52
EMILIE PARKER, 6
JACK PINTO, 6
NOAH POZNER, 6
CAROLINE PREVIDI, 6
JESSICA REKOS, 6
AVIELLE RICHMAN, 6
LAUREN ROUSSEAU, 30
MARY SHERLACH, 56
VICTORIA SOTO, 27
BENJAMIN WHEELER, 6
ALLISON N. WYATT, 6R, 6
ALLISON N. WYATT, 6

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:13 PM

59. Oh the hyperbole is thick, my my..

All were killed by people. All of them..

Oh, and did I mention how sickening it is when people pretend they speak for those whom they don't know, and in fact can't speak for themselves? There's a name for that...hmm..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:22 PM

65. they can't speak for themselves as a gun took their 1st amendment away enmasse

 

so guns are a 1st amendment issue
and a gun took away the women listed above's right to choice.

They did not get a choice because a gun violated their rights.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:31 PM

71. You are speaking for the "children"?

 

What about all the "babies" that were killed through abortion?

You don't seem to have focused upon the point made in the OP but are merely insisting that you can be a spokesman for the "children".

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:35 PM

73. the OP is 100% incorrect.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:57 PM

81. Obviously not. And your fiction that firearms are "WMDs" is obviously a fiction.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:23 PM

90. ROFL

Wow.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:07 PM

52. I thought you were off base there, but see you are looking at the intent and effects. Good.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:29 PM

10. Please cite the words from the 1st supporting "A woman's right is 1st amend." nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:32 PM

13. Thomas Jefferson said all men are created equal. What about Blacks and Women?

 

to quote Buckwheat on the Little Rascals-
"ask me again and I'll tell you the same"

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:36 PM

19. .

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:39 PM

21. Never take more than three words to say "I don't know" and that was your correct answer to my

 

question "Please cite the words from the 1st supporting 'A woman's right is 1st amend.'"

Have a blissful evening.

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Response to jody (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:42 PM

25. I stand by what I said. Ask a person in Kansas about Dr. Tiller, a wonderful patriot who was

 

shot dead in a political rightwing extremist assasssination, and in a church

another coward who used a gun to extort a political goal

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:42 PM

26. Roe v. Wade is a 14th Amendment issue..

really has nothing to do with the first..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:46 PM

29. wrongo. Dr. Tiller's being silenced has everything to do with the 1st amendment

 

also the declaration
and the right to peaceful assembly

a person is free to go where they choose

the clinic closing in Kansas due to no doctor being available, due to the political assasssination that occured (and the acts of bullying) meant a person no longer was free to go where they wanted to assemble peacefully

life liberty and pursuit of happiness
all of those were taken from Dr. Tiller by a gun

sorry but checkmate, mate.
gun people have lost.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:06 PM

51. LOL

You said, "A woman's right is 1st amend.". This absolutely, couldn't be more wrong. "wrongo" indeed..LOL

ife liberty and pursuit of happiness
all of those were taken from Dr. Tiller by a gun


You really don't see how ridiculous that sounds, and in fact is? Really?

Truth is stranger than fiction around here sometimes..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:15 PM

87. The zealots never cease to amuse

Then again, his posting history makes it expected

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #87)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:21 PM

89. Whew..holy cow..

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:26 PM

67. SCOTUS disagrees with you

The right to an abortion is based on the right of privacy found in the penumbra of the constitution.

I think I spelled that right

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:17 PM

4. We already have the intrusive government

Intrusive to the point they fly helicopters around with sophisticated sensors making sure your house isn't too warm.

Might as well give them something productive to do because they sure as hell aren't going away.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:09 PM

56. Yup

I'm skeptical about giving them one more thing to look for.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:25 PM

6. did you think this up all on your own, or is it the faxed talking point du jour?

Regarding each of your points:

1. Gun bans, proposed gun bans, and gun legislation do not come from a need to control others. You'll need to present some evidence for your claim.
2. Children (the living, non-zygote ones) are innocent. What's in dispute here?
3. What you're calling "intrusive government" is what we call "government". There's a reason to have government around, at least if you're a liberal.
4. There's no sense of moral high ground. There IS a moral high ground, and it's occupied, in this instance, by those who are sick of seeing people slaughtered on an everyday basis because people like you caterwaul about your darned gun rights. I've heard a lot more from gunlovers in the last month than I have from the parents of Newtown victims. You're goddamned right there's a moral high ground, and you're welcome to step on up whenever you're ready.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:36 PM

18. A gun ban (not comprehensive background checks)

 

IS telling another what they cannot possess. Control.

2. They are innocent. No dispute. So are zygotes.

3. I am ACLU. I know about intrusive government. No-knock warrants, illegal surveillance, etc. Leave me alone please.

4. You are staking the moral high ground against another when you assume they will murder while owning a gun. 99% don't.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:05 PM

50. Guns are weapons of mass destruction. Anything is acceptable imho to rid the streets of WMDs

 

just ask the following people who were mass destroyed by the weapon a gun is
CHARLOTTE BACON, 6
DANIEL BARDEN, 7
RACHEL DAVINO, 29
OLIVIA ENGEL, 6
JOSEPHINE GAY, 7
ANA G. MARQUEZ-GREENE, 6
DYLAN HOCKLEY, 6
DAWN HOCHSPRUNG, 47
MADELEINE F. HSU, 6
CATHERINE V. HUBBARD, 6
CHASE KOWALSKI, 7
JESSE LEWIS, 6
JAMES MATTIOLI, 6
GRACE MCDONNELL, 7
ANNE MARIE MURPHY, 52
EMILIE PARKER, 6
JACK PINTO, 6
NOAH POZNER, 6
CAROLINE PREVIDI, 6
JESSICA REKOS, 6
AVIELLE RICHMAN, 6
LAUREN ROUSSEAU, 30
MARY SHERLACH, 56
VICTORIA SOTO, 27
BENJAMIN WHEELER, 6
ALLISON N. WYATT, 6R, 6
ALLISON N. WYATT, 6

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:37 PM

74. "WMDs"? Are you one of those, after the 9/11 attack by Saudis, thought that there were WMDs in Iraq

 

By the way, everyone now knows that there were no WMDs in Iraq.

That was just made up as an excuse for the powers-that-be to do what they wanted.

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