Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:16 PM

Hugabear (9,866 posts)

I'm all for a total ban on semi-automatic guns

Total ban. No grandfathering. No exceptions. If you're a police officer, military, or anyone else who routinely carries a sidearm - you check in your weapon at the office, you don't carry it home with you. Eventually I'd like to see us reach a point where police don't need to carry guns at all.

Once the ban is in place, institute an amnesty period where people can voluntarily turn in their semi-automatics. Hell, I'd even support a national buy-back program. We already have private buy-back programs around the country that are highly successful in taking guns off the street. Yes, it would be expensive - but so is the cost of treating gunshot victims.

You can still own non semi-automatic weapons, like shotguns, revolvers, bolt-action rifles, etc. These take longer to reload, and do not have nearly the capacity as today's semi-automatics. Yes, I know there are some "experts" out there who can operate a bolt-action rifle just as effectively and quickly as a semi-automatic. But that is not a skill that an average person would have, just like hitting a bulls-eye target at 100m would be. A revolver or shotgun can be just as effective (if not MORE effective) for home defense than an AR-15 semi-automatic. You can hunt just fine with a bolt-action rifle.

Will this eliminate gun crime? No, but over time it should have a very large impact.

As far as the Constitutionality of this, the 2nd Amendment does specify "Well-Regulated". That's what this is. Enforcing the "Well-Regulated" part.

I know the Gungeoneers on this site will have a field day with my post, I'll be flamed as a "gun-grabber", etc. I don't care. I'm tired of this country being more interested in protecting semi-automatic instruments of death than protecting the rights of Americans to send their children to school, the movies, church, etc without the fear of being gunned down.

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282 replies	Author	Time	Post
I'm all for a total ban on semi-automatic guns (Original post)	Hugabear	Jan 2013	OP
Semi automatic handguns are the best available choice for self defense	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#1
How so?	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#4
A revolver is semi-automatic	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#9
nice try, but there is a distinction..but lets play SEMANTICS and cloud a life and death	rustydog	Jan 2013	#14
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hoyt	Jan 2013	#28
You are wrong. Not all revolvers are semi-automatic	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#17
Hey, you made the distinction	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#19
Really?	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#27
I guess the question I'd ask is	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#45
Then ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of auto-loaders.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#84
An autoloader is a little plastic disk with six holes in it	Recursion	Jan 2013	#133
Most murder victims are not killed in massacres.	immoderate	Jan 2013	#134
Hey, ONE life would make it worth it.	tblue	Jan 2013	#226
Yeah, but you could wipe out a lot of freedoms with that reasoning.	immoderate	Jan 2013	#232
Cheney's 1% doctrine was unacceptable then...	krispos42	Jan 2013	#262
You're still making a semantic argument	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#136
exactly	RainbowOverTexas	Jan 2013	#194
Root causes...gun-speak for more mental health counselors and pills to deter the violent sociopaths?	libdem4life	Jan 2013	#228
Fail	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#242
We did not have 300 million weapons and middle class, white folks paranoid about their neighbors	libdem4life	Jan 2013	#253
Again	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#90
Stil. Semantic. Argument.	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#143
I am not arguing that point	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#175
TO an exent, I agree with that single point	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#180
To that point	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#188
In this case, the shooter at Newtown...	krispos42	Jan 2013	#265
How long does it take to reload a revolver versus a clip-fed semi-automatic?	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#42
Speed Loader	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#59
You're absolutely delusional	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#73
Its not that hard to learn how to do it, just about every cop knew how	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#80
Wrong, but you'll still believe what you want	rustydog	Jan 2013	#108
I never said they were good, just that they were trained	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#116
In how many of the	Jenoch	Jan 2013	#221
Why is it Delusional?	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#96
It makes it much harder	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#128
OK, but monitoring Sudafed hasn't actually done anything about meth production	Recursion	Jan 2013	#139
Your argument is still about rate-of-fire/reload	NeedleCast	Jan 2013	#165
Your idea about	Jenoch	Jan 2013	#225
Moon clips	krispos42	Jan 2013	#266
reload in seconds in a shooting range in controlled situations maybe,	rustydog	Jan 2013	#95
OK, but Lanza killed 26 people in 20 minutes	Recursion	Jan 2013	#141
First of all: Lanza didn't use speed-loaders in a revolver,	rustydog	Jan 2013	#211
Oh, I agree; I was thinking of rate of fire in general	Recursion	Jan 2013	#215
they have speed loaders for wheel guns. reloading quick is easy with them.	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#61
So they carry half a dozen guns - still dead people.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#65
So your answer is we shouldn't do anything, because criminals will still find ways to kill	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#79
Do pipe bombs serve any other purpose?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#81
The only purpose of a gun is to kill.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#93
That is absolutely not true.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#105
can you list the "dozens of other uses for a firearm?"	frylock	Jan 2013	#229
Still crickets ? Nt	pkdu	Jan 2013	#255
Sorry.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#270
yeh, i'm sure you do	frylock	Jan 2013	#273
To refine that list a bit	theKed	Jan 2013	#259
Of course I can.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#269
weak fucking sauce..	frylock	Jan 2013	#274
I made you a list.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#275
i thought you had a life outside of DU?	frylock	Jan 2013	#276
I'm available at the moment.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#277
Thanks for making the effort. I too have a life outside DU, so I empathize ....but..	pkdu	Jan 2013	#281
It is totally within Congress's power to reschedule semi-automatics under the NFA	Recursion	Jan 2013	#109
We've been over this before. Because someone	upaloopa	Jan 2013	#18
thank you upaloopa!	barbtries	Jan 2013	#107
I'm seeing a mixed message. People want assault-style weapons banned,	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#282
Oh Jeeez, more nomenclature obfuscation. The OP is clear. I agree with OP.	Hoyt	Jan 2013	#33
Wow , does that guy ever need his penis extension device. Nt	pkdu	Jan 2013	#256
But there is a difference between a semi-automatic revolver and a semi-automatic pistol	Kaleva	Jan 2013	#263
No. It's a repeater.	krispos42	Jan 2013	#264
There are any number of treatises as to why...if I post any them, there will be cries of	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#22
Treatises, yes. Evidence, no.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#29
What evidence would you accept?	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#68
Something that shows that carrying a concealed gun makes a person safer.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#86
The NRA says the "Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"	rustydog	Jan 2013	#98
I was referring to the semi vs revolver...	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#112
In other words, there is no evidence.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#123
The paucity of data means your (or others) conclusions cannot be valid	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#142
DGU is only one of many metrics.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#160
Many jurisdictions will routinely arrest/charge any person for DGU.	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#213
If you can't kill your zombie, commie, home-invasion bad guy	rustydog	Jan 2013	#10
Revolvers and shotguns are lousy for concealed carry	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#25
concealed carry?	bongbong	Jan 2013	#30
You want to talk about fear?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#41
Really?	bongbong	Jan 2013	#47
Your "delicate flowers" aren't murdering people.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#54
Sheesh	bongbong	Jan 2013	#88
That is a ludicrous argument constructed to fit your narritive.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#100
Hmmm	bongbong	Jan 2013	#111
Wow. I really do feel bad for you.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#131
???	bongbong	Jan 2013	#149
Really?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#163
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#171
So essentially the only answer to the gun violence problem	rbixby	Jan 2013	#117
There is no clear answer.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#135
So no part of the solution is 'less guns'?	rbixby	Jan 2013	#146
Nope.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#150
By your logic, then the answer is definitely 'more guns'	rbixby	Jan 2013	#159
That's a black or white view.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#167
I'm not sure that the thousands who die by gun violence every year	rbixby	Jan 2013	#172
My apologies.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#179
Reducing people to numbers makes it easier	rbixby	Jan 2013	#183
Making it seem like it happens all the time	Indydem	Jan 2013	#184
I don't really have other goals	rbixby	Jan 2013	#190
Bullshit.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#168
Neither does Canada.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#176
Why are pro-gunners so clueless?	DanTex	Jan 2013	#224
Actually winding up with "less guns" is the rub	Recursion	Jan 2013	#187
What do Adam Lanza, James Holmes, and Jared Loughner have in common?	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#144
That's part of why mass shootings shouldn't be what drives gun policy	Recursion	Jan 2013	#170
The statistically significant portion of DU who would move...	Coyote_Tan	Jan 2013	#63
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#83
Who said anything about scientific...	Coyote_Tan	Jan 2013	#110
FREEDUMB!	bongbong	Jan 2013	#129
You obviously prefer control of others...	Coyote_Tan	Jan 2013	#186
Fear	bongbong	Jan 2013	#189
You obviously misunderstood...	Coyote_Tan	Jan 2013	#192
Your statistics show your child runs a MUCH higher risk of being killed in your HOME	rustydog	Jan 2013	#55
Still statistically negligible.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#60
Actually I was referring back to some of what the prior poster wrote	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#85
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#102
Tell that to the GLBT community some time	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#126
Ho boy	bongbong	Jan 2013	#140
How many home invaders have you had to kill? How many times while shopping at b-mart	rustydog	Jan 2013	#50
More than a dozen...	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#62
You've had to kill more than a dozen and we haven't seen you in the news?	rustydog	Jan 2013	#82
Did you miss the word "scales"	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#99
No I didn't miss scales. you're trying to distract because you're arguement is lame.	rustydog	Jan 2013	#147
Your prior reply showed no such intent	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#158
Backpedal? hardly, but I used sticks and stones (hummm) to kill rattlers	rustydog	Jan 2013	#216
Maybe not everyone is as incredibly tough as you are.	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#250
Why do you consider a wheel gun a poor choice for CC?	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#220
Size...much easier to be "read"	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#239
It took me a long time to find acceptable holsters for both the Glock and the Ruger.	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#244
I bet you can still be read by a pro	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#246
Expect a lot more of this kind of harassment in the future as fear and ignorance spread. nt	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#254
Amen	DustyJoe	Jan 2013	#153
No matter what idea comes up gunners will	upaloopa	Jan 2013	#13
I am for some additional controls	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#26
Your support is for doing nothing about the absurd flood of weapons in this country.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#234
That is not true...what follows will slow down the illegal weapons traffic in this country	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#241
ban them. now.	spanone	Jan 2013	#16
I know at least one woman...	Chuckster	Jan 2013	#32
To each their own and its a choice that should be respected	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#44
That person is an idiot, but it's her choice. No one is forcing her to defend her life.	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#251
I support her right to make her own choices, I think it is way disturbing that	TheKentuckian	Jan 2013	#258
handguns are a public health issue, everyone around them is in danger.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#233
Which is why LEOs carry them?	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#243
Only amoung right wing NRA chat groups denizens.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#248
You could sit next to my pistol for 10,000 years and you would not be in any danger. nt	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#252
Your grasp of epidemiology is stunning. I suggest a letter to NEJM.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#268
If it's dying you're worried about, rest easy. According to the CDC, homicide	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#280
How would you keep them from crossing the southern border?	cherokeeprogressive	Jan 2013	#2
Seems that most of our guns are going into Mexico, not the other way around	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#7
This message was hidden by jury decision.	Chuckster	Jan 2013	#34
I'm honored that you used one of your 8 posts since 2001 to respond to me	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#46
I found that odd too...	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#103
Yeah, there are some issues alright.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jan 2013	#113
I'm curious... Do you think the War On Drugs caused more marijuana to be grown in Mexico	cherokeeprogressive	Jan 2013	#260
Same way we keep full autos from doing so	jeff47	Jan 2013	#76
I'd like to see a scale with the extreme ideas	upaloopa	Jan 2013	#3
Cue gungeoneers to claim you are endangering women or minorities.	onehandle	Jan 2013	#5
It already happened in the 1st post to the OP.	Agschmid	Jan 2013	#8
Ah. I have 90% of them on ignore.	onehandle	Jan 2013	#12
I should use ignore more I guess! n/t	Agschmid	Jan 2013	#15
Why not engage instead?	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#31
Personally, I like to hear opposing opinions.	Chuckster	Jan 2013	#38
A number of them were following me around the board and stalking me.	onehandle	Jan 2013	#49
Actually a number of people felt they were stalked by you	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#66
One has been active today, I am told. (by PM)	onehandle	Jan 2013	#75
Thank you for confirming the oft rumored back channel	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#120
The NRA has strict guidelines on chatboard posts	bongbong	Jan 2013	#35
Why only semiautos?	dairydog91	Jan 2013	#6
Really?	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#21
Makes no difference if you're shooting 6 year olds.	dairydog91	Jan 2013	#36
I had to look it up	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#164
Ever seen one of these?	guardian	Jan 2013	#191
The funny part of all this.	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#193
Gotta agree with you, sir. Life long gun owner here, and I have to think that	Flatulo	Jan 2013	#227
Ah, and another	billh58	Jan 2013	#196
+1 million	Agschmid	Jan 2013	#11
A 12 gauge with #4 buckshot would	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#20
Going Rogue	bongbong	Jan 2013	#37
I would guess	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#57
???	bongbong	Jan 2013	#77
England and Oz did not have	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#130
Nope	bongbong	Jan 2013	#138
Australia also has a higher gun ownership rate today than before the buyback	Recursion	Jan 2013	#157
You may be right about 20% - 30% "going rogue"	guardian	Jan 2013	#199
Especially when everyone	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#200
Nobody is talking about going door-to-door	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#201
I think you under estimate the	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#203
"There's a large segment of this country, just waiting for a reason to explode."	guardian	Jan 2013	#204
Yeah. LIke those Delicate Flower pot growers in Humbolt.	Chuckster	Jan 2013	#58
Well goodbye Chuckster	billh58	Jan 2013	#238
Yep, you Gungeoneer	billh58	Jan 2013	#237
I'm thinking the following	krispos42	Jan 2013	#267
How would you enforce your ban?	regjoe	Jan 2013	#23
NRA Talking Point alert	bongbong	Jan 2013	#40
Didn't answer the question.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#48
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#97
So you are advocating a Civil War?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#106
Hey, you said it	bongbong	Jan 2013	#121
It's a great quote.	Lizzie Poppet	Jan 2013	#125
Won't work this time	bongbong	Jan 2013	#132
What makes you believe that "delicate flowers" are a minority?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#145
Numbers	bongbong	Jan 2013	#156
Is the stricter gun control they are calling for include bans?	Indydem	Jan 2013	#169
Prove it	bongbong	Jan 2013	#177
Ahh, you made the original supposition.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#182
<--- Gun owner	Lurker Deluxe	Jan 2013	#185
Consider this ...	spin	Jan 2013	#218
Depends on the law.	Lizzie Poppet	Jan 2013	#154
Seems to me the only ones advocating civil war are those desperate to cling to their guns	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#151
What good is a ban if you don't enforce it?	regjoe	Jan 2013	#56
Well, how would you enforce it?	Recursion	Jan 2013	#70
Get stopped and you're carrying...arrest and confiscation	rustydog	Jan 2013	#124
So, like we do with pot?	Recursion	Jan 2013	#127
Anybody can grow pot in their backyard or inside their house.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#162
You can't grow heroin, it comes from Afghanistan for the most part	Recursion	Jan 2013	#166
Well the war on drugs	guardian	Jan 2013	#205
We need to decriminalize drug use	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#214
Really not that difficult	jeff47	Jan 2013	#87
There were never all that many machineguns in the US to begin with	Recursion	Jan 2013	#101
Compared to when there was no law against it? It's way down. (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2013	#148
Interesting, "Heroin" is a trademark of Bayer	Recursion	Jan 2013	#152
The vast majority of what are now illegal drugs were very widely used	jeff47	Jan 2013	#181
Here you go.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#115
It was an honest question and thank you for answering	regjoe	Jan 2013	#174
What registration documents?	hack89	Jan 2013	#219
I wouldn't go there...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#24
Automatic weapons of today are basically machine guns.	onehandle	Jan 2013	#39
You went there	bongbong	Jan 2013	#43
I can't see it, but I assume that's what lies below. nt	onehandle	Jan 2013	#52
Yep	bongbong	Jan 2013	#91
Not an NRA-bot...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#173
Please edumacate me here:	billh58	Jan 2013	#240
Not true in the least	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#51
Lee Harvey Oswald used a bolt action rifle.	bvar22	Jan 2013	#53
Boom.	derby378	Jan 2013	#64
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#69
How does it show a deep lack of knowledge?	DanTex	Jan 2013	#67
Very, very few gun deaths are due to semi-automatic rifles, too	Recursion	Jan 2013	#74
And those would be covered by this proposed ban (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2013	#92
Many (most?) handguns are semi-auto these days.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#94
The fact that Oswald was able to fire 3, well aimed shots...	bvar22	Jan 2013	#155
Of course, it's possible to kill people with a bolt-action.	DanTex	Jan 2013	#178
#1, I believe that incrementally expanding MediCare was not only possible,	bvar22	Jan 2013	#210
Oswald was a trained marksman. You left that part out. nt.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#235
actually, you're wrong, they are number two on the mass killing weapons list	rustydog	Jan 2013	#118
I didn't say "mass killings deaths" I said "gun deaths"	Recursion	Jan 2013	#119
Agree	JohnnyBoots	Jan 2013	#71
I don't want to get too deep into conspiracy theories on this thread...	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#197
And if Oswald had a machine gun?	vkkv	Jan 2013	#207
Probably not. They're bad at hitting things	Recursion	Jan 2013	#230
Unreasonable	kudzu22	Jan 2013	#72
There are plenty here who would welcome that.	Indydem	Jan 2013	#78
Nothing the OP proposed suggested 'taking people's property.'	onehandle	Jan 2013	#89
I took "no grandfathering" to mean you have to turn 'em in	kudzu22	Jan 2013	#272
We can ban Assault Weapons, which are the closest non-NFA weapons we have	jmg257	Jan 2013	#161
hugabear	barbtries	Jan 2013	#104
I'll sign on to this plan. We need REAL action to stop the carnage.	Dems to Win	Jan 2013	#114
I'm thinking more targeting 'repeating arms with removable mags/without fixed capacity.'	jmg257	Jan 2013	#122
I think the problem is that our country is awash in guns, legal, illegal, stolen, etc	rbixby	Jan 2013	#137
once the guns are gone	RainbowOverTexas	Jan 2013	#195
horseshit, texasrainbow	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#198
maybe	RainbowOverTexas	Jan 2013	#202
how many people in china died last year in mass knife attacks?	frylock	Jan 2013	#236
I say...couldn't we do both??? nt	jmg257	Jan 2013	#212
I totally agree with you,	billh58	Jan 2013	#247
Gun nuts want to claim 2nd Amendment rights?	vkkv	Jan 2013	#206
conversation with a libertarian	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#208
Technically speaking, you are absolutely right. Gun nuts simply do not want to acknowledge this.	Hugabear	Jan 2013	#217
strict constructionist, we must obey the Founding Fathers	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#222
Ha! The 2nd makes a distinction because 5 & 11 yr olds aren't in the well-regulated Militia...	jmg257	Jan 2013	#209
+1. And a mandatory prison term for anyone caught with one after the amnesty period (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jan 2013	#223
kick	samsingh	Jan 2013	#231
Why not tax the living shit out of certain guns?	Soundman	Jan 2013	#245
$30k is too high	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#249
Take the actuarial data from the cost of gun violence...like we do health care and autos ...	libdem4life	Jan 2013	#257
+100	billh58	Jan 2013	#271
I've been saying this since calls for a new assault weapon ban popped up after Newtown	krispos42	Jan 2013	#261
LOL	bongbong	Jan 2013	#278
This message was self-deleted by its author	Sirveri	Jan 2013	#279

Response to Hugabear (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:26 PM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

1. Semi automatic handguns are the best available choice for self defense

and self defense is a legitimate reason to use deadly force.

I teach firearms mostly to GLBTs and women for that reason. They are often reluctant gun owners but have come to the realization that until things change in the US, they have little choice. The police cannot be there in real time, and are sometimes part of the problem. These are not people in bad neighborhoods participating in questionable activities. Sometimes it follows them home. T*s are being slaughtered in some cities and NOTHING IS BEING DONE. These are not gun nuts. They will probably never by any kind of long gun, AR, AK, or otherwise. They will disarm when the threat passes.

Maybe you can be the one standing over them telling them that it was better they get their brains bashed in or got tortured and shot rather that own an evil semi automatic pistol. I however, will continue to help them until the threat passes. It seems the progressive thing to do.

I'm all for a total ban on semi-automatic guns

1. Semi automatic handguns are the best available choice for self defense

4. How so?

9. A revolver is semi-automatic

14. nice try, but there is a distinction..but lets play SEMANTICS and cloud a life and death

17. You are wrong. Not all revolvers are semi-automatic

19. Hey, you made the distinction

27. Really?

45. I guess the question I'd ask is

84. Then ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of auto-loaders.

133. An autoloader is a little plastic disk with six holes in it

134. Most murder victims are not killed in massacres.

226. Hey, ONE life would make it worth it.

232. Yeah, but you could wipe out a lot of freedoms with that reasoning.

262. Cheney's 1% doctrine was unacceptable then...

136. You're still making a semantic argument

194. exactly

228. Root causes...gun-speak for more mental health counselors and pills to deter the violent sociopaths?

242. Fail

253. We did not have 300 million weapons and middle class, white folks paranoid about their neighbors

90. Again

143. Stil. Semantic. Argument.

175. I am not arguing that point

180. TO an exent, I agree with that single point

188. To that point

265. In this case, the shooter at Newtown...

42. How long does it take to reload a revolver versus a clip-fed semi-automatic?

59. Speed Loader

73. You're absolutely delusional

80. Its not that hard to learn how to do it, just about every cop knew how

108. Wrong, but you'll still believe what you want

116. I never said they were good, just that they were trained

221. In how many of the

96. Why is it Delusional?

128. It makes it much harder

139. OK, but monitoring Sudafed hasn't actually done anything about meth production

165. Your argument is still about rate-of-fire/reload

225. Your idea about

266. Moon clips

95. reload in seconds in a shooting range in controlled situations maybe,

141. OK, but Lanza killed 26 people in 20 minutes

211. First of all: Lanza didn't use speed-loaders in a revolver,

215. Oh, I agree; I was thinking of rate of fire in general

61. they have speed loaders for wheel guns. reloading quick is easy with them.

65. So they carry half a dozen guns - still dead people.

79. So your answer is we shouldn't do anything, because criminals will still find ways to kill

81. Do pipe bombs serve any other purpose?

93. The only purpose of a gun is to kill.

105. That is absolutely not true.

229. can you list the "dozens of other uses for a firearm?"

255. Still crickets ? Nt

270. Sorry.

273. yeh, i'm sure you do

259. To refine that list a bit

269. Of course I can.

274. weak fucking sauce..

275. I made you a list.

276. i thought you had a life outside of DU?

277. I'm available at the moment.

281. Thanks for making the effort. I too have a life outside DU, so I empathize ....but..

109. It is totally within Congress's power to reschedule semi-automatics under the NFA

18. We've been over this before. Because someone

107. thank you upaloopa!

282. I'm seeing a mixed message. People want assault-style weapons banned,

33. Oh Jeeez, more nomenclature obfuscation. The OP is clear. I agree with OP.

256. Wow , does that guy ever need his penis extension device. Nt

263. But there is a difference between a semi-automatic revolver and a semi-automatic pistol

264. No. It's a repeater.

22. There are any number of treatises as to why...if I post any them, there will be cries of

29. Treatises, yes. Evidence, no.

68. What evidence would you accept?

86. Something that shows that carrying a concealed gun makes a person safer.

98. The NRA says the "Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

112. I was referring to the semi vs revolver...

123. In other words, there is no evidence.

142. The paucity of data means your (or others) conclusions cannot be valid

160. DGU is only one of many metrics.

213. Many jurisdictions will routinely arrest/charge any person for DGU.

10. If you can't kill your zombie, commie, home-invasion bad guy

25. Revolvers and shotguns are lousy for concealed carry