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Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:11 PM

If you could move abroad, would you?

I have often thought lately that if a good opportunity came along, I would leave without regret. We can't seem to get anything done anymore in this country, we still don't have universal health care, our educational system is nothing but a political football, privacy is a quaint concept, our infrastructure is crumbling, there are guns everywhere, our politicians are for the most part clowns, we spend far too much money on the military, and Larry the Cable Guy is what passes for entertainment. Obama reminds me of one of those few capable emperors in the waning decades of the Roman Empire who tried to halt the decline of the empire but in the end couldn't do it. Why is it I watch "House Hunters International" and fantasize?

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:13 PM

1. Actually, my dear Brigid, I would not. Why?

My husband and I are too old, we no longer work, and most countries don't want people like us.

Our families are here, our children and grandchildren.

We built our home, and we don't want to live anywhere else.

Those are our reasons.


I do hear ya, though. Some days, I wish we could...

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:19 PM

3. I've thought about Australia

I've loved when visiting
but their cannabis laws are worse than ours.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:48 PM

91. But they have drive-thru beer stores!

Which I imagine is another reason they love their universal health coverage!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:21 PM

4. Some parts of the good old USA make leaving a lot more attractive than others.

This part of Northern California is as close to heaven as I'm going to get.

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Response to dimbear (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:13 AM

153. Yes ... I live in NorCal Wine Country and love it

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:22 PM

5. Same reasons for me. If it was just me... I'd live in Wales.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:03 PM

37. Me too

Have you ever visited? I lived there for a while, in Wrexham. It's amazing

But in the end, its not HOME..

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Response to freshwest (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:06 PM

175. Love it there.

Spent a few days last summer in Tenby - first time I'd been there, and it was gorgeous. We went out to Caldey Island for the afternoon:



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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:14 AM

136. Only to see the sights and take in history, dear Peggy

There's SO much to take in!

When I was little, I was stuck in Appalachia, dreaming of a big, wide world out there that I'd heard existed beyond the poverty and limitations that existed around me. When I left high school, though my grades were excellent my only way out was to join the military. I got to see a good bit of America and to go to Europe.

Let me tell you, the first time I set foot in a church I knew had existed for 1,000 years, this poor hick was so awestruck I could hardly lift the other foot to enter the nave. The frescoes were being lovingly restored; the stones were worn down with a millennium of reverent prayer. The thought of a thousand years of gratitude, pleas, and praise floored me.

Appreciating the architecture, learning new languages, tasting new foods, ... all of these things were wonderful to me and have made for warm memories to give me joy in my older years.

Would I do it again? Dangbetcha. There are things my DH has never seen that I'd give anything to share with him.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:37 PM

184. Pretty much ditto here. nt

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:13 PM

198. I hear ya. I would move if I were younger and had less ties, more energy.

or much much more money that I have....

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:19 PM

2. If we had the wearwithall we would move to west county cork.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:33 PM

56. +100

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:23 PM

6. In a heartbeat

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:23 PM

7. If I could buy a little country house, just outside of London...

I would.

But that's it.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:23 PM

8. If I had money I'd still live here.

 

Because this is a great place to live, if you have money. It sucks if you don't.

Being that I do not have money I would like to live in Norway.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:26 PM

13. Norway is incredibly expensive. Gorgeous, but very, very expensive.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:32 PM

18. But if I'm going to be poor somewhere....

 

I'd like to be poor there. They have great social programs.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:51 PM

35. but it's expensive just to eat and drink. CRAZY expensive.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:04 PM

39. And its always super cold.

I think.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:32 PM

85. At the end of my semester aboard I was in Oslo for two days.

Nearly went broke.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:33 PM

86. Beautiful though

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:24 PM

9. no. i like this country. i am comfortable here. i would not move out. even with an

opportunity. unless it was a short time and i would be back.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:24 PM

10. I can't afford the places I'd really love to live

and my health is deteriorating rapidly enough it's just a dream, now, although if I had to skedaddle one step ahead of the cops, I could conceivably do it.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:46 PM

109. Just wanted to say, Warpy, I have always thought that you are so cool.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #112)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:20 AM

121. Thank you, too

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:11 AM

208. Let's make it.....

.... three and I'm sure there are more

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #109)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:53 PM

114. Thank you

but I'm only a garden variety internet crank.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #114)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:04 AM

118. heh.

Even more cool!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:24 PM

11. Tempting for the reasons you cite, but I'm too damned stubborn. I'll stay here and fight.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:26 PM

12. I lived abroad as a dependent...it was excellent for our kids and ourselves

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:27 PM

14. I haven't been abroad

Because I am afraid I wouldn't come back! It's been this way for quite a long time... Can you say "ray gun?"

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:45 PM

68. I lived in Denmark for 3 yrs and Germany for 3 yrs

I never came back in those six years. I loved it. In Denmark the kids went to an international school....it was wonderful. In fact, my son went back to Denmark last summer for a couple of weeks...I was so jealous I loved the laid back attitude....when it's nice out, everyone is outside. Outdoor cafes....stores closed on Sundays-family time....walking to shops....oh, what a wonderful time....OK done going down memory lane

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Response to all american girl (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:24 PM

105. I have relatives in Denmark.

My grandmother was able to track down some long lost relatives 25 or 30 years ago and got in touch with them. She ended up going over to Denmark back then, and several of them came over to visit us. One girl was about my age and she came to stay with me for a week at college. We had a blast together. My grandma had stayed in contact with them all these years, but I hadn't. However, through the "magic" of Facebook I found them and we have reconnected. Her Mom and Dad came back to the US last summer for a nice long visit.
Just really great, friendly people.

I would love to go there. I doubt it will ever happen, but I would love it.

BTW, by ancestry I am 1/2 Danish and 1/2 German, so your mention of living in both Denmark and Germany caught my attention, LOL.


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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:28 PM

15. My SO and myself would move to France in a heart beat.....

Culture, food, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.

This doesn't mean that I love my country any less, however the ass hats in congress are intent on screwing us left and right. Big business is running the country, not elected officials.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:30 PM

16. I live in the greatest country in the world

I'm not going anywhere.

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Response to NoPasaran (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:34 PM

60. +1

 

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Response to NoPasaran (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:47 PM

70. Lol, good one!

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Response to NoPasaran (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:51 PM

111. I don't think there is a greatest country in the world...

I've lived in enough places that I'm always missing something I had elsewhere. The US is a great place with uncrowded supermarkets, spectacular wilderness, and traffic lights on the other side of the intersection where they belong, but when it comes to Healthcare, road, train, power and internet infrastructure, social safety nets, and social solidarity... well....

On balance, I'll stay in the US, though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:31 PM

17. MENDOZA, ARGENTINA! I could be packed and ready to go in 24 hours...

If I didn't have to work for a living.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:10 PM

176. I love Mendoza

the restaurants open a bit late for me, but it is a real pleasant city. I love the way they care for their street trees.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:33 PM

19. ahhh if Canada were warmer......

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:21 PM

48. A few more years and it might be...

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Response to diane in sf (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:05 PM

76. not in my lifetime

i'm old.

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:12 PM

78. Depends on where you live

 

If you stick to the BC gulf islands or east side of Vancouver Island (to avoid coastal winds), its warmer than a lot of places in the US. It rarely gets below freezing in these parts, and about a mile inland can get as high as 90F during summer days (though 85 is normal high range in this area).

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:48 PM

90. I can affirm this

As I live on Vancouver Island (Victoria - the southern tip of the island) Right now, we are getting rain, and Vancouver is getting snow.

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Response to Rainforestgoddess (Reply #90)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:15 PM

102. 8 PM

You must mean the ski hills or similar. I'm in Surrey Central and all we're getting is rain.

And tons of it.

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Response to Maynar (Reply #102)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:15 AM

125. Hmm - I was misinformed

My son told me it was snowing in Vancouver.

Maybe he meant Nanaimo?

At any rate - the weather here is damp (to say the least) but not frozen.

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:16 PM

81. I've thought about Canada

I was born there, and if I could dig up an original birth certificate from Quebec (I'm an infant adoptee, and the church and the state are closer there than in either Israel or Utah) then I might be able to claim Canadian citizenship. However, it would probably cost me thousands of dollars to break through the veil of secrecy.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:35 PM

20. I'm an Irish citizen and have contemplated it for a long time

Still have a (wild) 16 yr old to get through high school though.

After she's off to college? All bets are off.

My doctor finally said the dreaded words to me on my last asthma check up - that I should considering moving. That this place is slowly killing me.

So yes. Honestly, in a couple of years I'm going to be seriously evaluating our options.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:50 AM

158. You mention you have asthma and your doctor suggested you consider moving

Is that because you live in a cold area of the states now?...I'm wondering because, I spent a

winter in Dublin and I was DAMNED cold...The temps weren't that high,

but the dampness and the relative scarcity of central heating I found,

made it seem much colder and I grew accustomed to

wearing three or four layers of warm clothing at night when I went to bed.

That was in the early nineteen eighties, of course, so maybe things have changed.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #158)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:30 AM

161. I'm in farm country and this past fall during harvest, I ended up in the hospital with the dust

and fumes in the air. I literally could not breathe.

I have no idea where I'd end up. With an EU passport it doesn't necessarily have to be Ireland actually (the south of France, Spain or Italy sounds pretty terrific! heh ). I'm in the middle of getting ESL certification as a fall back if my pulmonologist can't figure this out. In a couple of years, if its not under better control, I'd like to have some options in place....

I was seriously scared this past fall and really, really don't want to go through that again.




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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #161)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:51 PM

170. Do you have bad allergies as well?

Ever spend time in a tropical location? I have asthma and bad allergies, and was shocked the first time I went to South America. I expected to have a very rough time, but actually found that my allergies and asthma completely disappeared.

They hit me pretty hard when I came back home, but I was just great in the jungle.

Talked to my allergy doctor about it when I came back, and as soon as I told him I'd just come back from South America he said, 'I'll bet your symptoms went away, huh?". Anyway, to make a long story short, he said allergy symptoms are the result of an overactive immune system that doesn't have enough to fight. Put someone with allergies in an environment where their immune system has something to keep it busy, and their symptoms often disappear.

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Response to Marr (Reply #170)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:53 PM

186. Yup. Exactly. Terrible allergies. And yes, he recommended a tropical climate or coastal.

I told him he has to get me through 2 more years here then I can figure out some places to try. I'm already planning on NOT being here during harvest season next year. My husband is the sticking point - he loves this farm and doesn't care to leave. We've talked about buying property in FL where he could compete 6 months out of the year but really, he could compete anywhere so there's that. Besides if the horse/farm environment is the kicker for me then continuing doing this won't help. My adventurous streak really desires a radical change - like Thailand!

Qh well I dunno, its going to be tricky regardless. Neither of us are young enough to retire - hell, I don't WANT to retire.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #161)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:59 PM

197. So It's job related.

If you don't go back to Europe, you might consider that

we do have quite a range of climates here as well.

Best of luck to you, whatever you decide.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:36 PM

21. I'll be 72 this year and the prospect of moving anywhere is depressing

We've talked about it and we could probably afford it. We have a fair amount of assets even though a lot of them aren't exactly liquid (we're land rich and cash poor). Just the thought of deciding what to keep, what to toss/sell/give away is enough to dissuade us from considering leaving here.

But I'll tell you this - if I were 20 years younger and knew what I know now about the future The door would not hit my ass on the way out.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:38 PM

22. No.

With all its faults, I think this is the greatest country on earth. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else. However, I understand people that do and wish they had the means to go to their hearts destination.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:40 PM

23. I did for several years when I was younger, and it was one the best things I have ever done.

I highly suggest that everyone live outside their country, and, consequently, outside of their comfort zone at least one stretch of their lives. Just for the differing perspective that one gets when immersed in a different culture.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:40 PM

24. I would, but not for your reasons.

I'd do it to explore the world and all it has to offer.

And I have faith in our country despite how ditso-batso is seems at the moment; makes for major entertainment if you don't take it too seriously.
We will prevail in the end, as a country. Got to get rid of the crazies though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:41 PM

25. heavens, no

??? there is too much work to do here... I could not abandon my responsibility

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:42 PM

26. i'd consider it, doesn't mean i would though. plenty of nice places here.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:43 PM

27. Oh yeah......And any one of these cities will be fine:



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Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:44 PM

28. No, I guess this is where I'm supposed to be.

If I were supposed to be somewhere else then I would be there.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:44 PM

29. I would move to France, Switzerland, Austria, England in a second.Santa Monica or Rt.1 in US

 

would not move to a red state no matter what

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:45 PM

30. Brigid NO WAY WOULD I LEAVE THE US. We are the oldest govt., Iceland is debatable, and a grand

 

experiment to see if a population composed of all the world's peoples and cultures can find a way to live together.

If we fail, then there is no hope for peace on earth and we are doomed to destroy all humanity.

As bad as things seem, I believe we will succeed because the alternative is unthinkable.

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Response to jody (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:06 PM

40. No? That would be Britain.

Which had a civil war over the whole issue of Parliamentary supremacy and constitutional government over a century before the American war of independence.

And the USA was never intended as "a grand experiment to see if all the world's people's and cultures could find a way to live together"; it was more about a bunch of rich, white colonial Englishmen not wanting to pay taxes.

And it's really kind of stupendously and insanely arrogant to say "if America fails then there's no hope for humanity."

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:00 AM

148. The American Revolution may have been started for largely economic reasons

but the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, that the Founding Fathers gave us as a result was far better than nearly anything else that existed in those days. And the worst parts of that Constitution have been improved over the years.

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Response to jody (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:28 PM

84. +1

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Response to jody (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:41 PM

88. I don't think America's success is relevant to humanity to that degree whatsoever

 

Its not the only fish in the pond (though it thinks it is). It was born under very specific circumstances, at a very specific juncture; its government may of even been pragmatically perfect for the time being (as Ancient Greece as for their time), but that time may have come and past. Very possibly, there is no single "best" government and political system, but its entirely dependent upon the circumstances of the day.

If we fail, then there is no hope for peace on earth and we are doomed to destroy all humanity.

Maybe there is also the alternative view that no government can perpetually succeed, but that doesn't mean humans cannot succeed without government. Homo Sapiens walked the earth for 100,000 years with great success (proof is our existence) without formal governments. Other tool-making hominids were around for half a million years.

The chaos, wars, famine, malnutrition, disease, subjugation didn't really get started until after we all started trying to form complex societies. Maybe that is in itself the problem, and the failure of governments on a global scale is a prerequisite to forming an alternative solution and pathway toward harmony.

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Response to jody (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:57 PM

173. I don't understand why people think the US is unique in that way.

The whole world is an experiment like that. There are plenty of people of African descent in Mexico. There are Jewish communities in Peru. There are vast graveyards full of 1800's Chinese immigrants in Costa Rica. The US isn't any more mixed than any other place I've seen in, in the western world at least, and it's certainly not the most egalitarian or welcoming.

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Response to Marr (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:32 PM

212. Generally it's people that have never stepped foot outside

of it's borders.

USA! USA!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:45 PM

31. Nah, I'm staying in this country

 

I really like living here, despite its issues. Besides, I can't afford to move anyway.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:46 PM

32. If I had a choice to move it would be to Italy or Germany. Love both countries and have

 

lived in both before. I have relatives that live there and I know I could get use to it. Love the life style and the food. Germany is a nice place to live. Especially during the winter during christmas. There is no better place to be than Germany during the christmas time. Love going in the community and shop. People are pretty nice and I like the food. Especially the Veal. But after 5 yrs I'd want to come home. Really there is no place like home. Except it would be in Maryland. That is where my heart is and my immediate family.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:47 PM

33. I love this country.. especially since Pres Obama and VPBiden have

been in Office. I enjoy supporting and helping anyway I can with their efforts.

My family is all over this land.. from California, Oregon, New York, Florida, Colorado, Arizona, Hawai'i, and North Carolina! And, Friends in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Washington, New Mexico, Colorado, New York, California, and Hawai'i.

My daughter is married to an Australian, though, and they live with their adorable kids in Portland, Ore.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:48 PM

34. Yes, I would if I could afford it.

I love the British Isles, England, Scotland and Ireland. I would go there if I could. I have visited there twice and would love to relocate there.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:01 PM

36. We tried Canada... turns out we're too old and not rich enough. nt

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:33 PM

58. Can you grow veggies? Farmers are bumped to the top of Canada's list.

If you can demonstrate that you are a small farmer, you will be bumped to the top of the immigration list.

My husband and I actually thought about Canada a while back, investigated property there. He's from upstate NY and has spent a LOT of time there. Canada actually supports their small farmers and our application was readily accepted. In the end, he decided to continue on here in the US. Our clientele is just really great and leaving them would have been extraordinarily hard personally.

He's invested in staying here in Northern Illinois til the end now. I'm not so sure for me. My asthma has escalated dramatically lately and I'm thinking once my daughter leaves for college, I'll take off for different climes. At least for a while to see if it helps.

I have an EU passport though. That makes a difference.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:04 PM

38. I did it before. I'd do it again, except

that I'm older now and have a family, house and material possessions that make it harder to leave long-term. Right now I'm just not motivated enough to do that. Other countries have their own sets of problems, too.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:06 PM

41. Depends if she wants to be moved.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:08 PM

42. Already did six years ago after Bush won reelection

...and I love Canada

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Response to Liberalboy (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:09 PM

45. I haven't missed you at all! nt

 

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:09 PM

43. Medicare and many US health ins policies aren't portable.

That is a huge factor even for people who have enough $ otherwise to consider it.

If this aspect of Medicare could be changed it would probably save taxpayers $ in the long run.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:32 PM

182. You'd get health care in Europe.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #182)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:06 PM

188. yes, but you would have to pay for it. The point of Medicare portability is that

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you have paid into it all your life in order to have it pay most of your post age 65 health expenses. You lose all of that credit if you retire overseas. There are also restrictions in some countries on retirement-aged people's emigrating or that may exclude them from the health care coverage. For example, in Australia, you can get care, but you have to pay for it by having a health care insurance policy that is comparable to their Medicare system for their citizens. You also have to have huge financial assets, to qualify for a visa and avoid being a burden on Aus.:

http://www.retiring-overseas.com/australia-retirement-visa.html

Take a look at the retirement websites where this issue is discussed for a better articulation of the problem--for example: http://www.aaro.org/medicare

I know a couple who live in different countries because of this.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:09 PM

44. How much do they charge to transport a car over the ocean?

Anyone know?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:00 AM

123. I did that in 1979

Cost about $600 Boston to Bremerhaven, Germany. Probably just a bit more these days.

Then the horrors started. I tried to register it (a Datsun) with the German authorities. Talk about "the Party of NO!" German bureaucracy was invented by a sociopathic Sadist. I don't recommend it. Sell your car in the States. Then move. Then, buy local.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:18 AM

143. Equipment and safety standards are different enough

between the US and Europe that it's not done for a piece of everyday transportation--in either direction, really. Classics and exotics might be worth the trouble (they may even require modifications), but your average Jetta or Camry definitely isn't.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:18 PM

46. I fantasize about it, but SF is not really in America in many ways, and I'd miss my friends

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:20 PM

47. Sure

This isn't the only "greatest" country on Earth.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:24 PM

49. I've thought of going to the UK but there's no privacy there either plus the class thing is still

going on.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:42 PM

185. You think the class thing there is worse than the class thing here? nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #185)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:49 PM

199. It depends on what you mean by worse. There the rich are treated with deference and title.

Here it's just deference there are no titles and class consciousness really doesn't exist. Everybody is middle class in America whether you make $6000 a year or 60 million a year.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #199)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:47 AM

206. Yeah, most of these people think of themselves as middle-class.

"Everybody is middle class in America whether you make $6000 a year or 60 million a year."

In the UK, they aren't in such denial.


True, there are no titles; but what's in a title? Mention certain names--Rockefeller, Kennedy, etc., does it really matter if there's
not the word "Earl" or something similar in front of the name?


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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:28 PM

50. No...

...I could never, ever, consider it. The bones of a thousand generations of my ancestors are in this land. This is my land and where I belong.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:29 PM

51. I am a broad

A classy one.

And yeah, I'd move to Australia.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:30 PM

52. Definitely

No chance of it happening, but if I could, I would.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:30 PM

53. Don't move to Greece

they had their time too

lived in the UK - loved the NHS but it's much the same as here - can't get anything done

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:32 PM

54. Yep.

In fact, already did.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:32 PM

55. Already left

 

Its been an awesome idea. Totally puts things into a completely new perspective free of the boxed in paradigms of the US. Frankly, after some time and no longer identifying myself according to American constructs, I would feel far less offended to live there again if it wasn't for climate change.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:38 PM

61. so you left due to climate change? where did you go, mars?

 

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Response to crazyjoe (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:09 PM

77. No, I left for a ton of reasons

 

Mostly political and cultural, but it was also nice to have an adventure and change the scenery. Primarily, I have a family to raise and want the best environment (re gun violence, crazy politicians, creeping fascism, low crime, etc).

But as far as climate change is concerned, food production doesn't look like its going to go so well in a couple of decades. Id rather put down roots in an area that is going to be more ag-friendly. Its not something I really put a lot of thought in before leaving, but that was a while ago and things are looking pretty dire (or I am just cluing in more). Basically, in under 4 decades the US will have a tough time supporting staple crops. Importing food will be expensive and threaten food security

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #77)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:32 PM

162. so where do you live now? if it doesn't have all those things you mentioned, sounds like a

 

nice place to be

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Response to crazyjoe (Reply #162)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:34 PM

164. bc gulf islands

 

Yeah, real pleasant in general. Good place to get away from it all.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #164)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:28 AM

211. Our favorite boating destination. nt

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:39 PM

62. Good grief

 

I also moved to France this last year to get away from the right in the USA. Why the HELL would any liberal stay there?

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:33 PM

57. Yes.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:34 PM

59. no. nt

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:39 PM

63. Yes, I've always wanted to live in England.

 

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:42 PM

64. Yes.

No question.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:42 PM

65. Nnnnnnnope.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:43 PM

66. where is this paradise country you fantasize about?

 

There is a reason that people flock to this country, some would say you don't appreciate the fact that you get to live here.
Not me though, I think anyone who wants to leave for greener pastures...should.

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Response to crazyjoe (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:55 PM

195. People "flock to" a lot of countries, not just the USA.

It isn't everyone's first choice anymore. That is just one more aspect of America that is not exceptional.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:44 PM

67. Considered a job is Austrailia

Or if I could find something in Switzerland, that would be fun.

My old boss never said why he left though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:47 PM

69. Yes to England! Wonder if they need programmers?

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Response to Logical (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:22 AM

138. So may of us would love that.

Maybe we can team up, catch a boat over the channel and get under-the-counter jobs picking fruit, or being their maids or something.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #138)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:38 AM

146. Not a bad idea!!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:49 PM

71. Yes, for the change in scenery

I travel to the UK often to visit my wife's relatives and have considered moving there.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:50 PM

72. Faster than you can say "when do I pack?"

Not because I hate the US, I don't. I just want to go. My husband won't have it, though. If it was up to me, we would have been gone years ago.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:51 PM

73. NAH

I'll stick around and be a pain to my dittohead relatives.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:03 PM

74. I don't understand anyone who says this is the greatest country on earth.

We lack universal health care for one thing.

If you are sick, old, poor or just unable to work, you are screwed. That immediately eliminates this from the list of "greatest countries."

Yes, I would move in a heartbeat for the right job, give up my citizenship and never look back.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:59 AM

200. +1

Anyone who can emigrate to a 1st world country should do so, if for no other reason, getting universal health care.

Each day 273 people die due to lack of health care in the U.S. That's 100,000 preventable deaths per year.

We don't need the GingrichCare of mandated, unregulated, for-profit insurance that is still too expensive, only pays parts of medical bills, denies claims, bankrupts and kills people.

Republican '93 plan: "Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."


We need single-payer health care, not a welfare bailout for for-profit, serial-killer insurance agencies.

"Employer-based health insurance has always been a bad idea. Your life should not depend on who you work for." -- T. McKeon

"Any proposal that sticks with our current dependence on for-profit private insurers ... will not be sustainable. And the new law will not get us to universal coverage ...." -- T.R. Reid, The Healing of America

"Despite the present hyperbole by its supporters, this latest effort will end up as just another failed reform effort littering the landscape of the last century." --John Geyman, M.D., Hijacked! The Road to Single Payer in the Aftermath of Stolen Health Care Reform

"Mandates lock in everything that is broken about our current health care system." -- Richard Gingery, M.D.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:04 PM

75. Yes.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:12 PM

79. As a global citizen, I find the concept of nation-state outdated.

So yes, of course, I would move abroad if I could.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:14 PM

80. From time to time I think about applying for the program that allows decendants of a Hungarian

 

to claim Hungarian citizenship. Still have to learn the language though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:19 PM

82. I doubt it.

I love Alaska, and our family economics here are pretty perfect. I'm too old to start over somewhere else anyway.

Ask my husband how I respond when he suggests moving anywhere other than here.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:25 PM

83. I had my chance, but I muffed it :(

 

Switzerland sounds real nice right about now.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:37 PM

87. Yes. And immediately.(nfm)

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:46 PM

89. no. I wouldn't mind visiting other lands for long periods of time but, my home is here.

I built it and I like it. It is a good thing.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

92. My pick would be for somewhere in southwest British Columbia, Canada.

Some of the towns there can only be reached by boat or ferry. Sounds like paradise to me.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

94. Its have to be someplace 18th century..

but only for 1/2 yr at a time. But since this country has such places some too expensive I'll stay here for now.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:57 PM

95. Sure, I'd move to Hawaii.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:08 PM

96. Since you ask, I would move Ann Coulter to the next galaxy.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:09 PM

97. Getting ready for exploratory trip around world.

I'm investigating / considering Latin America, Europe, South Africa, and SE Asia. Hope to be moved in 4 years.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:09 PM

98. Anyone know anything about New Zealand?

Was looking at it the other day. Appears they have a big renewable energy sector and the country looks beautiful.

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Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #98)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:15 PM

189. I've been there and the country is beautiful.

Immigrating isn't easy, but I'm sure you could find work there and manage it. Here's their site for immigration:

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/

Their population is somewhere around 4.7 million, a number at least half a million less than where I live (Houston.) I've also read that their population is shrinking, possibly due to people moving to Australia. You see plenty of homes where the owners are likely affluent, and country is a big wine producer.

And then there's the fact that all of the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies were filmed there

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Response to kentauros (Reply #189)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:55 AM

207. The Lord of the Rings movies is actually what got

me interested. Looks somewhat like Colorado but greener - which is nice!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:11 PM

99. Yes

...I'd pack pretty darn quick, my family is overseas.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:14 PM

100. I would if I had the money to come "home" as often as I wanted.

This country has gone off the rails. We have no health care, we don't have a say in the foods we eat, we can't choose for ourselves on a myriad of different options. There are much "kinder and gentler" places to live.

That's me right there beside you on the sofa watching HHI.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:15 PM

101. I would in a heartbeat.

But, I have lived abroad for large portions of my life already and don't have any illusions that other countries don't have some significant drawbacks. And remember that there is a huge difference between being an expat and actually immigrating. Ex-pats get to ignore the problems of their country of residence unless them affect them directly. Being a citizen means you have to pay more attention.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:16 PM

103. Ask us in

2016. LOL!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:19 PM

104. For the past couple of years

I've been thinking about Uruguay. Inland, not Montevideo.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:26 PM

106. No. nt

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:40 PM

107. In a New York minute! Actually we have sold our house and we are buying

an RV we are moving to the Oregon coast and we are thinking of going to BC Vancouver Canada as tourists and extending as much as we can.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #107)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:59 PM

117. Giant tsunami due on Oregon coast.

That's one of the biggest reasons I'm moving from the PNW. We're over-due a giant 9.5 earthquake here off the PNW coast. It aint gonna be pretty.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:43 PM

108. Sigh...

However, no. I am a New Englander, born and raised.

I had grandparent's that hailed from Canada, Switzerland and the US.

Family and friends that I adore live here. I would be to empty without them.

There is change that is happening in our Country right now. There is a growing awareness, of what is right, what needs to be changed, to make that happen.

I want to stay,to do what I can. I owe that to the little ones in my family. To everyone really.
I will stay to fight the fight.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:49 PM

110. I've been threatening to move to Australia..being a dual citizen but my friends..

...are here and I keep hoping things will get better.
I DO think if a Repug is elected in 2016 with a repug congress, it will be enough to change my mind.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:53 PM

113. Many years ago I lived in Spain for three years and loved it.




It's probably not so good now in the new global economy but I'd like to return even if just for a visit.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:55 PM

115. Yes..

..if I could I would, to any of the British Isles, from whence my ancestors started some 400 years ago. But I can't, because they didn't leave me any cashola. Snap!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:56 PM

116. Absolutely - in a New York minute.

Unfortunately, unless I win the Powerball or Apple stock goes up to $2000/share, it's not going to happen.

I'd be in the south of France with an apartment in Paris in 2 weeks.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:15 AM

119. I like where I live.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:16 AM

120. Yes.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:46 AM

122. I was seriously considering moving to Mexico or Panama

if Obama did not win in '08. But now that he did, and I'm 5 years older, and I love living in Arizona, I probably would not ever leave, no matter what happens next, except I sometimes get an ornery thought about ending my days in Israel.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:12 AM

124. I pretty much did

A few decades ago, a beautiful German woman assked if I would come live with her on the east bank of the Rhein.

I asked the outfit that had recruited me in 1975 for an overseas posting. I got it, and now we live in an old medieval town with a castle and a moat next door and an open-air market three times a week that has been there for the last 800 years or so.

It also has crappy weather, high taxes, a cumbersome and uncaring bureaucracy.

It's all a trade-off. Nothing's for free. It's a serious move, and should not be undertaken as if it were a trip to the movies or a summer camp. Speak the language fluently, prepare financially, and never burn your bridges home. Ever.

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Response to DFW (Reply #124)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:26 AM

140. "never burn your bridges home. Ever."

Sounds like wise words. I knew a guy who married a woman in Germany and had kids, but his divorce resulted in his deportation back to US, with no ability to see his kids. International law can be really cruel.

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Response to DFW (Reply #124)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:09 AM

151. I've been on the opposite side of the planet from you for many years,

and heartily that agree that ex-pats should "never burn their bridges home".

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:17 AM

126. No. Maybe move to Ireland. But I like it here...

I love America. I love the beauty. I love the cities. I love the culture. I even love the sports.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:17 AM

127. In a heartbeat, but I have kids and grandkids, n/t

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:24 AM

128. I teach overseas

and I don't ever want to come back. I love it. Every time I go home, I get depressed at how high prices are and how difficult it is now to live in the US. I'm even thinking about retiring overseas.

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Response to reminder2 (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:20 AM

137. Which country are you in?

I'm in Korea

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Response to reminder2 (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:27 AM

141. Yeah, where are you? nt

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:32 AM

129. Absolutely

I live overseas right now (Korea for 7 years) because my husband has a government job on a military base. We're coming back to the US to do our 2 years and then hopefully Europe. We can then do 5 years there but if it were up to me, I'd disappear and never return. I just feel at home in Europe and never have in the US, even as a kid.

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Response to Qanisqineq (Reply #129)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:24 AM

139. I've been in Korea for 9 years

The winters seem to be getting colder don't they? I'm thinking you must be down near Pyeongtaek or Osan. You were probably around for that huge typhoon in Sept 2010. I was over on Humphrey's after that happened with a friend who is retired military and saw all the trees torn up.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #139)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:57 AM

147. further south

in Daegu. We don't suffer as much from typhoons.

This winter is the most snow I've seen in Daegu, more than the last 7 years combined!

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Response to Qanisqineq (Reply #147)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:06 AM

150. Ah I see

I lived in Daegu my first year. It was hotter than hell there, sometimes the temperature was over 40 C plus humidity. Thank god for air conditioning. Wal-Mart closed about the same time you came here as that was about the only major foreign store I knew of at the time. I lived about a 15 minute bus ride from one. I was way out in Gyeongsan which is a college area, but not too far out from that was countryside. It took me about 40 minute by bus to get to downtown Daegu (this is before the new subway line was built). There was a bar not too far from Wal-Mart where foreigners would hang out on Saturday night. One night we had a couple of American soldiers come in and had beers with us I think they were dodging their curfew.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:35 AM

130. Costa Rica!

If only I could !

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:02 AM

131. If I could? I can and I will!

Admittedly, I'm probably very much younger than most here on DU. I was born in 1991. In my lifetime the golden years of the USA were Clinton's two terms as President. As I've grown up I've only seen this country get worse for the most part. I was too young to vote for Barrack Obama when he was running for his first term, but I made sure to vote for him when I again was presented with an opportunity. He may not be as left of center as I might like, but he isn't a blatant plutocrat like Mitt Romney. Moreover he's done some real good like reforming healthcare. Despite his victories however I have little faith in the future of this country. How can I when we're willing to cut social programs instead of really addressing the bloated military budget!? When the crooked pigs on Wall Street still haven't been brought to task for their reckless behavior?!

Some might be satisfied with the small steps towards progress we've made during President Obama's first, and now his second term. Indeed these people may have more realistic expectations of their government. I however am not willing to settle for this snail-paced crawl towards a just and sensible society. So I'll be working towards emigrating over the next five or six years. My destination will likely be Iceland, as it's not only the home of my ancestors but their citizenry are intelligent and stubborn enough to hold their wealthy and powerful elite responsible. They've truly done an admirable job of handling this economic crisis.



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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:35 AM

132. I've thought about it, quite abit lately as a matter of fact.

Not so much because I think the country is going in the crapper. Ill be the first to say I still get goosebumps when I hear the star spangled banner play. I think it has more to do with stretching that dollar. I've been reading several articles lately that have the top 10-20 places to retire outside of the country. It's pretty cool to read about place where you can live very comfy on a 1500-2000 dollar a month.

But, when it comes down to it. My dream retirement it 10-20 acres up in Tn in the mountains. Not a prepper, just always loved the mountains. And unless I can totally trump my dream its Tn for me

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:40 AM

133. No, I think I'm too American to ever be comfortable somewhere else plus I'm a Californian

and I love my blue blue state.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:04 AM

134. Yes.

 

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:06 AM

135. IMO, the rest of the world is quickly turning into the US. I prefer to fight in the belly of the

 

beast.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:39 AM

142. I have lived overseas in South Korea for 9 years

I came here initially to teach for a year and ended up coming back for a second year. During my second year I met my wife and we got married at the beginning of my third year. Coming over was not really planned it just happened and neither was staying here. I am a permanent resident and still have my US passport. The Korean Government has changed the rules so you can now become a citizen and keep your US citizenship, but I don't plan on doing that.

Even though I am overseas I remain active in US politics.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:34 AM

144. I'd move to The Netherlands in a heartbeat nt

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:37 AM

145. I dream of it.

Spain, Uruguay, Ecuador, Chile and Portugal are all on my list of places of interest.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:03 AM

149. Nope. America is still the best place to live IMO.

 

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:10 AM

152. Samui, Thailand

My sister went to visit about 11 years ago, and never came back. I felt the same way when I visited. I loved it. I could literally leave tomorrow...she texted me the other night that she has a house for rent and a job if I wanted them. Very tempting, but we have a 10 month old granddaughter I couldn't imagine being apart from.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:14 AM

154. I have a friend (American citizen) who lives in Chiang Mai in Thailand

and loves it there. Seems to be a very laid back and affordable place. Whenever I hear of political unrest in Bangkok and email him to see if he's ok, he says that's all happening way down south and hardly registers with anyone where he is.

I want to pay him a visit there sometime...if I like it, I'd consider moving there. That's not very likely to happen, though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:17 AM

155. I would if I could ..some small village in Canada maybe.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:48 AM

157. If I were in my 20s I'd be looking to leave.

Alas, it's too late for me unless I win the lotto.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:05 AM

159. If you could move abroad, would you?

Oh hell yes......Virgin Islands....Brittish,NOT U.S......Bahamas.....Any Scandinavian Country.....Ireland......France....

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:05 AM

160. I can, but I can't...

I'm a dual national American/South African. American by birth. I still have ties to South Africa, but I haven't lived there for nearly 20 years. Although legally I could go back, jobs are hard to come by, and it's difficult to lead a comfortable life in Cape Town, which is the only place I'd consider living. If I had enough in retirement savings (I don't; far from), I would consider retiring there.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:32 PM

163. Oh yes.

In a heartbeat.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:37 PM

165. Yes

Perhaps if/when this place could grow up, I would consider returning.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:39 PM

166. I'm in the process of leaving.

I have the emigration issues just about settled and am in the process of buying a home in my chosen location.

I'm 40 now, and should be ready to take my last plane ride out at 45 or so. I want to be out of this country well before health care costs start to dominate my budget.

A fifty-year-old friend of mine pays $800/mo to have health insurance he can't use. He says he'll go to the doctor when his problems reach a crisis state and not before, because he can't afford to do anything else. There's something very wrong with a country that builds a system like that.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:43 PM

167. Every country has its problems.

The only reason I see for taking my chances elsewhere is climate change. If the drought continues, I can see the Midwest becoming unsustainable in less than a decade. If people start migrating, it might make for greater problems elsewhere so maybe outside the country would be best.

Anyone have suggestions on the safest place to be once climate change hits us full force?

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:47 PM

168. Possibly, But Not For The Same Reasons As You

Having lived abroad in a few other countries, I find that practically all of them sucked more than living here. It's a "Grass is always greener" scenario.

I'd consider living in Australia or New Zealand if I found a good job opportunity there but I wouldn't move to another country simply as a reason to leave the US.

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Response to NeedleCast (Reply #168)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:51 PM

171. Australia is burning up due to climate change.

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Response to randome (Reply #171)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:55 PM

172. I'm From Texas

The heat wont bother me...

Not really pertinent to the OP's question of would I leave the country and why. Climate change is just as likely to have a drastic effect in Baltimore this year as it's having on Australia. Can't really "get away" from it so it wouldn't be a factor in where I'd chose to go if I were to consider leaving the US.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:50 PM

169. I'd move if I had the money

 

As of late, however, I'm broke, so I'm basically stuck here, in a country that still doesn't have universal healthcare. Shame really.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:57 PM

174. I would.

Infact, I stayed in a relationship longer than I should have in the early 2000s hoping he'd want to move back to his homeland- 4 years of my life I'll never get back.
I am 6 months pregnant and I'm scared of raising a child in this country. Fortunately, I live in a pocket of TX with excellent schools and a liberal environment, but how long will that last? Perry's destruction may take decades to fix.
I've actually looked into emigrating to Canada and England, but I do not have the qualifications. Mainly, I don't have a masters or PhD. Maybe in the future...

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:14 PM

177. Uruguay for me

things are happening there

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:23 PM

178. absolutely, hoping to retire in central or south america....

It's not disdain for the U.S. though, so much as the desire to see more of the world and to live simply within our means. We're still planning, haven't even begun to narrow down possible destinations yet.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:27 PM

179. I did, though not by choice

since I was a minor. From a cosmopolitan left-wing cultural city in northern Italy to middle-of-nowhere stereotypical rural little town in central North Carolina.

I have also lived in NYC, which I consider like a separate country from rural NC, and Las Vegas, which I consider a separate entity - sort of like the Vatican within Italy, except that Vegas feels more like an adult Disneyland.

My husband and I are planning to retire in Italy. He is eligible for Italian citizenship and an EU passport in a year.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:29 PM

180. Been away over 7.5 years now,

Currently in the former "Evil Empire." Kiev, Ukraine.

I don't recommend this unless you think you can handle severe culture shock. But that's both a good and bad thing.

I've only been back once, 2006.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:30 PM

181. If i could live well in Alsace or the Cotswolds, why not?!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:32 PM

183. Sure - France or Germany, maybe Spain.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:57 PM

187. It depends, does she have a lot of heavy furniture?

Bada bing! I'll be here all week ladies and germs! Try the veal and don't forget to tip your waitress.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:18 PM

190. Hell yeah!

If I were wealthy, I'd take off to the Caribbean or the South Pacific in a heartbeat. But since I likely cannot find the same level of remuneration in another country for what I do (much less any other state but Texas right now!) I'm stuck. Gotta make the most of it.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:43 PM

191. I am moving abroad.

Otavalo Ecuador. Out home will be completed in the middle of February. We are going down to pick out furniture and lay out the garden.

I like the climate, I like Correa, I love the people but mostly I want a new adventure.

Here's my house with the view from the back.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:38 PM

192. Not to run AWAY from here: but I'd move TO Wales

Closest thing to heaven that you will find on Earth IMNSHO.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:43 PM

193. yes,

as long as i had the means to bring my children and grandchildren with me or visit them regularly.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:45 PM

194. No.

Not unless I could take the entire extended family with me. Along with several friends.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:34 PM

196. I'm happy here.

I wouldn't mind living in Germany or Austria, though.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:04 AM

201. Yes, this country is turning into a shithole

Only a country as stupid as America would ignore the lesson of Sandy Hook. I'm utterly disgusted by Americans and America.

Fuck Amurica.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:09 AM

202. Yep. In the blink of an eye!

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:16 AM

205. No

I've traveled north, south, east, and west.
America is truly beautiful.

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:25 AM

209. Been planning it since the Bush years

just haven't been able to make it happen, since life keeps getting in the way, lol

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Response to Brigid (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:13 AM

210. Without another thought.

I can get Irish and Italian passports, so one of these days I probably will move.

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