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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:28 PM

*****SOTU OFFICIAL THREAD***** -- Thread 2

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First thread was here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002215317

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Reply *****SOTU OFFICIAL THREAD***** -- Thread 2 (Original post)
highplainsdem Jan 2012 OP
valerief Jan 2012 #1
undeterred Jan 2012 #10
valerief Jan 2012 #27
csziggy Jan 2012 #33
undeterred Jan 2012 #100
csziggy Jan 2012 #209
The Hitman Jan 2012 #96
JDPriestly Jan 2012 #211
riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #2
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #8
Control-Z Jan 2012 #3
BeyondGeography Jan 2012 #4
SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #5
musicblind Jan 2012 #6
ellisonz Jan 2012 #7
blaze Jan 2012 #9
musicblind Jan 2012 #11
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #109
elleng Jan 2012 #12
tallahasseedem Jan 2012 #13
Hotler Jan 2012 #40
liberal N proud Jan 2012 #14
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #15
sfpcjock Jan 2012 #16
ellisonz Jan 2012 #20
ellisonz Jan 2012 #17
elleng Jan 2012 #61
nolabear Jan 2012 #18
rainbow4321 Jan 2012 #19
Phoonzang Jan 2012 #48
stevenleser Jan 2012 #21
Enrique Jan 2012 #22
Hotler Jan 2012 #23
RebelOne Jan 2012 #46
one_voice Jan 2012 #60
Control-Z Jan 2012 #64
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #93
deacon Jan 2012 #24
msanthrope Jan 2012 #25
nolabear Jan 2012 #26
erpowers Jan 2012 #75
Cleita Jan 2012 #136
JSnuffy Jan 2012 #169
Cleita Jan 2012 #181
JSnuffy Jan 2012 #202
kurt_cagle Jan 2012 #214
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #210
Cleita Jan 2012 #212
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #215
erpowers Jan 2012 #217
Cleita Jan 2012 #131
hue Jan 2012 #27
blaze Jan 2012 #35
NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #29
lonestarnot Jan 2012 #30
ellisonz Jan 2012 #31
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #32
one_voice Jan 2012 #34
musicblind Jan 2012 #36
blaze Jan 2012 #52
musicblind Jan 2012 #88
RebelOne Jan 2012 #68
Orangepeel Jan 2012 #85
msanthrope Jan 2012 #37
ellisonz Jan 2012 #38
NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #39
BeyondGeography Jan 2012 #41
TheDebbieDee Jan 2012 #150
nolabear Jan 2012 #42
Demonaut Jan 2012 #43
Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #44
Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #58
ellisonz Jan 2012 #72
Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #101
MarkCharles Jan 2012 #45
HipChick Jan 2012 #47
nolabear Jan 2012 #54
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #59
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #49
msanthrope Jan 2012 #50
Thor_MN Jan 2012 #77
one_voice Jan 2012 #51
musicblind Jan 2012 #53
hue Jan 2012 #55
Courtesy Flush Jan 2012 #206
Snarkoleptic Jan 2012 #56
Cleita Jan 2012 #77
msanthrope Jan 2012 #57
Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #67
msanthrope Jan 2012 #74
ellisonz Jan 2012 #86
stevenleser Jan 2012 #62
Mister Ed Jan 2012 #97
AnnieBW Jan 2012 #63
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #65
Matariki Jan 2012 #66
nolabear Jan 2012 #69
Matariki Jan 2012 #70
amuse bouche Jan 2012 #71
MarkCharles Jan 2012 #73
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #76
IamK Jan 2012 #79
sfpcjock Jan 2012 #80
ellisonz Jan 2012 #81
NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #82
hue Jan 2012 #83
AnnieBW Jan 2012 #84
Mojorabbit Jan 2012 #95
IamK Jan 2012 #87
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #97
Robb Jan 2012 #89
Matariki Jan 2012 #121
FirstLight Jan 2012 #90
GReedDiamond Jan 2012 #125
TroglodyteScholar Jan 2012 #91
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #92
stevenleser Jan 2012 #94
lonestarnot Jan 2012 #99
sfpcjock Jan 2012 #102
Matariki Jan 2012 #192
renate Jan 2012 #102
Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2012 #118
renate Jan 2012 #143
BeyondGeography Jan 2012 #104
joshcryer Jan 2012 #105
malaise Jan 2012 #106
ellisonz Jan 2012 #133
msanthrope Jan 2012 #107
valerief Jan 2012 #114
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #108
AnnieBW Jan 2012 #110
denbot Jan 2012 #111
musicblind Jan 2012 #112
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #134
Drunken Irishman Jan 2012 #113
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #123
amuse bouche Jan 2012 #115
Phoonzang Jan 2012 #124
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #116
lonestarnot Jan 2012 #117
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #119
ellisonz Jan 2012 #120
Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2012 #146
ellisonz Jan 2012 #158
Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2012 #216
nolabear Jan 2012 #122
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #126
elleng Jan 2012 #151
AnnieBW Jan 2012 #127
IamK Jan 2012 #128
hue Jan 2012 #129
highplainsdem Jan 2012 #130
Robb Jan 2012 #135
mopinko Jan 2012 #132
Orlandodem Jan 2012 #137
sfpcjock Jan 2012 #138
stevenleser Jan 2012 #139
musicblind Jan 2012 #184
lonestarnot Jan 2012 #140
elleng Jan 2012 #164
lonestarnot Jan 2012 #195
elleng Jan 2012 #203
AnnieBW Jan 2012 #140
Snarkoleptic Jan 2012 #140
malaise Jan 2012 #153
joshcryer Jan 2012 #144
ellisonz Jan 2012 #152
joshcryer Jan 2012 #156
ellisonz Jan 2012 #145
Rosco T. Jan 2012 #147
deacon Jan 2012 #148
nolabear Jan 2012 #149
BlueDemKev Jan 2012 #159
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #154
BadgerKid Jan 2012 #155
DinahMoeHum Jan 2012 #189
EarlG Jan 2012 #157
ellisonz Jan 2012 #163
Alameda Jan 2012 #174
LongTomH Jan 2012 #188
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #160
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #161
hue Jan 2012 #162
stevenleser Jan 2012 #165
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #166
Alameda Jan 2012 #167
one_voice Jan 2012 #176
hue Jan 2012 #168
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #170
joshcryer Jan 2012 #171
Matariki Jan 2012 #172
NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #173
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #175
amuse bouche Jan 2012 #177
ellisonz Jan 2012 #178
riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #185
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #179
erpowers Jan 2012 #180
hue Jan 2012 #182
MarkCharles Jan 2012 #183
Johnny2X2X Jan 2012 #186
Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #187
HangOnKids Jan 2012 #200
elleng Jan 2012 #190
musicblind Jan 2012 #191
Matariki Jan 2012 #194
Politicub Jan 2012 #208
musicblind Jan 2012 #193
hue Jan 2012 #196
Alameda Jan 2012 #197
HangOnKids Jan 2012 #204
sfpcjock Jan 2012 #198
HangOnKids Jan 2012 #205
MarkCharles Jan 2012 #199
Courtesy Flush Jan 2012 #201
Cleita Jan 2012 #213
Politicub Jan 2012 #207

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:29 PM

1. Prez, there are plenty of tech workers in the US that can't get hired, because companies

would rather hire H1Bs.

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

10. And because they just don't want to hire people over 50.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:34 PM

27. I know that only too well. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

33. Or the job "requirements" are unrealistic and the pay a pittance

I've read too many threads where tech jobs ask for 10 years experience for software or a programming language that has only existed for five years, require a master's and twenty years experience but only pay ten dollars an hour. Or the job is not a full time job but an independent contract with no benefits.

Or the tech that DO have the experience are north of fifty and the company does not want to hire anyone over 25.

Just on the few online boards I read messages on have numerous techs that would work for a reasonable salary, decent benefits and a little respect, but they don't even get interviews for the positions that are open.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

100. Yes, here I am.

Or they call something an "entry level position" and when you read the requirements you realize that nobody would possibly have those skills who hasn't been in the field for at least 10 years because you aren't allowed to do certain things without any experience. But they want the sun, the moon, and the stars for $13 per hour and no benefits.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #100)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:49 PM

209. I live in a "right to work" state

High level tech workers with years of experience earn about $15 an hour. I know someone with ten years experience training people for nuclear subs who then went out and got two master's and still had to work for five years to get to $15. Then his job was outsourced and he's been happy to have any work at just over minimum wage.

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

96. false

and if you think so, file a complaint with DOL

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Response to The Hitman (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:09 PM

211. If you think there is no age discrimination, you are wrong.

It's easier to prove discrimination when you are fired, but very, very difficult to prove it in hiring so going to the EEOC is pretty much a waste of time for most people. Besides, unless you studied employment law in law school, you probably won't know what documents to keep, how to ask questions of your employer to determine that the real reason you are being fired or not hired is age discrimination.

The age discrimination laws are ineffective. It's sad, but true.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:29 PM

2. Thank you!! those on dialup are grateful nt

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:30 PM

8. You're welcome! The first thread was getting cumbersome even with a high-speed connection.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:29 PM

3. Thank you.

Scrolling is slow on the laptop.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:29 PM

4. Love the humble Jackie

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:30 PM

5. Here are links to watch:


http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

Streaming, enhanced broadcast from the Whitehouse, with CHARTS--

http://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2012

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:30 PM

6. He has mentioned NC multiple times. And named Raleigh specifically

They are really focusing on this state. I wonder what their internal polling says?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:30 PM

7. "It is time to turn our unemployment system into a re-employment system that puts people to work."

(Applause)

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

9. ty highplainsdem nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

11. How can republicans frown on these ideas? How can ANYONE? n/t

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Response to musicblind (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

109. Because they're thinking...."Shit, how can we run against these things?"

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

12. Boner nodded, yes, to 'reemployment.'

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

13. The speech has been wonderful so far!

VERY impressed!

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Response to tallahasseedem (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

40. It's just a speech. It's all about the follow through and

I guess there will be none just like the first term. This is the President that went on 60 minutes and said the bankers did nothing illegal.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

14. I hate, no! I loath these fucking pompous Republicans

They hate America!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:31 PM

15. Love the praise for teachers... He's so right about everything he's saying!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:32 PM

16. Obama stopped Chinese tire dumping

and the leftovers have been snapped up by Newt




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Response to sfpcjock (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:33 PM

20. That's HUGH!!! n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:32 PM

17. Backing merit pay...

Wants to stop teaching to the test...

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

61. Should get another Secretary of Education.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:32 PM

18. Yay teachers! Give schools resources!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:32 PM

19. Poor VP Biden

You can tell he has a cold (using the white hankie at the opening of the speech) but now is doing that "trying to be discreet by making it look like I am scratching my nose when I REALLY need to blow it".

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Response to rainbow4321 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

48. LOL, and he kept hugging Boner.. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:33 PM

21. POTUS proposes every state requires that all students graduate or until they turn 18. Wow

Woot!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:33 PM

22. congress silent through education section

until he mentioned firing teachers. Then big applause.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:33 PM

23. Too fucking little. Too fucking late Mr. President.

Everything you're talking about should have happened already. I'm turning you off and watching the Daily Show.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

46. Bye Bye n/t

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Response to Hotler (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

60. Cuz he's superman!

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Response to Hotler (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

64. See ya. n/t

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Response to Hotler (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

93. There's the door....

...don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:34 PM

24. He's presenting a perfect tone. A HUGE contrast to those in the clown car. n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:34 PM

25. Congress, get off your ass about the student loan % doubling in July. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:34 PM

26. How will states require kids to stay in school? Will any of them act on that?

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Response to nolabear (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

75. Bad Idea

I don't think any school can prevent a student fom dropping out of school if they do not want to be there. In addition, what happens if these students that do not want to be in school start to act up in order to get kicked out of school? I think a better idea is to provide job training for students that drop out of school.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

136. In some countries they have a choice of finishing a minimum level of education or

going into the army. Could that work?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #136)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:56 PM

169. Yeah, that's what I need...

 

A company of misfits who couldn't even deal with high school but somehow I should expect them to handle millions of dollar in equipment and take the lives of other people into their hands.

No thank you...

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Response to JSnuffy (Reply #169)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

181. So you agree that keeping them in high school is a better option then?

That's my point. He didn't say they had to graduate but stay in until they were eighteen.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #181)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:14 PM

202. They can figure it out on their own if they should stay or go...

 

If they ain't gonna.. then they ain't gonna...

The military should not be a dumping ground for rejects though. I've got enough to do.

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Response to JSnuffy (Reply #202)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:55 PM

214. Oddly, I disagree

Kids drop out for many reasons; drugs, boredom, working too young, broken home life, poor education earlier forcing struggling in more advanced classes ...

Basic training can help to provide discipline and structure, can establish a degree of camaraderie, can give them remedial training in a focused environment and give them skills to make them more competitive. Keep these cadets out of combat zones, and at the age of eighteen they can either choose to re-up (possibly with an automatic jump in pay grade to E-2) or can gain GI benefits towards higher education and a possible career as an officer. If you focus on 16 to 17 year-olds, what this would also do is provide a lot of more basic level support tasks that ordinarily enlistees at 18 would typically be assigned, freeing them up for more advanced work (and training).

In addition to the benefits there, it has larger societal benefits. It's better OTJ training than working at fast food restaurants (which in many cases are now attracting more seniors on fixed incomes who also bring considerably more experience to these places - and consider that until comparatively recently it was not at all uncommon for people in their 60s and 70s to work at restaurants), it may very well provide these kids exposure to technologies and areas of interest that they wouldn't be exposed to in school, and it means that the soldiers that America gets are generally more experienced and mature as well.

Not sure I see a downside to it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #181)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:52 PM

210. I don't think it's at all possible to enforce something like this.

And simply forcing them to "stay... until they were eighteen" means classrooms get disrupted.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #210)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:47 PM

212. Couldn't they be taught a trade?

Most schools have wood shops and auto repair. You could also have beauty school and chef programs. If they are doing things they like, you can sneak in a few classes to meet minimum graduation requirements, couldn't you? I mean having teenage drop outs roaming around in the streets with nothing to do doesn't sound like a very good situation to me either.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #212)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:00 AM

215. It's not that I disagree with you...

Remember when you were that age? I remember people who HATED the very notion of school. Auto repair and woodshop aren't new classes.

I just don't see how we go about FORCING 16 and 17 year olds whose home life we know nothing about to go to school every day.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #136)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:44 PM

217. Prefer That

I actually prefer that policy better. Some kids might decide to stay in school to stay out of the military. The other kids that choose to go into the military will at least have a job and a paycheck.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

131. They used to back when I went to school. However, the cut off age was sixteen.

I got into a big fight with the principal of my high school and walked out in the middle of the day announcing that I quit. I went home and she sent a truant officer after me. Yes, we had special police back in those days who made sure kids were in school and not playing hooky, the word for skipping classes. I had just turned sixteen and laughed in his face. However, my parents had a different view of the situation and I was back in school the next day and with a big apology for the principal.

It can be done and it works. I would also put together an education force that checks in on private schools and home schoolers to make sure they are maintaining common educational standards.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:34 PM

27. EDUCATION is sooo important!! (goes against the ALEC agenda!!) n/t

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Response to hue (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

35. What? No bowing to ALEC?

sarcasm implied....

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

29. Republicans don't applaud teachers either.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

30. Tee hee fuck you ASU!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

31. Says states need to make higher education a priority in their budget.

Says tuition needs to stay down, if it keeps rising, federal government will stop subsidizing

Backing the DREAM Act!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

32. "Higher education can't be a luxury -- it is an economic imperative"

So many great lines in this speech!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

34. Education cannot be a...

luxury!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

36. I'll be honest thought. Some kids just don't want to learn.

That's the sad truth. And forcing them to remain there until 18 won't make those who refuse to learn... learn.

HOWEVER, I love what he is saying about college interest rates and college education.

I really like what he is saying about colleges.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

52. Some kids just learn differently

hands on tech school is great for some learners.... It's not that they don't want to learn

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Response to blaze (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

88. I'm talking as someone whose mother is a teacher and who grew up with a learning disability myself.

I'm not saying that all kids failing in school want to fail.

But there are some kids who simply do not want to learn.

My mother once recommended a girl for honors english and she and her parents refused. They did not want the negative stigma of being in an "honors" class.

So sad.

It is true though, that some kids, just refuse to do any kind of school work.

I love the idea of giving schools more money. I love the idea of alternative education techniques. I love giving families more incentives to keep their children in school no matter what.

I'm just being honest.

Remember... some kids are republican too...

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Response to musicblind (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

68. That is true. My daughter is a teacher

at a middle school in South Florida, and she has had students that just do not want to learn. Someday they will learn that they cannot get decent jobs without a decent education.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:42 PM

85. Those kids should have the choice of a vocational program in high school

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

37. Comprehensive immigration reform...NOW!!! nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

38. "We should be working on comprehensive immigration reform right now." - POTUS

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

39. "Opponents of action are OUT of excuses"

Fewer illegal boarder crossings, more boots at the border.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

41. Get off your ass McCain

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:52 PM

150. He probably CAN"T get off his ass......

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:36 PM

42. You gotta hand it to him. He's not leaving anything out. Great job!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

43. McCain, .....that should be me....that should be me....

so sad

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

44. "right now" was clearly the wrong phrase for a drinking game.

burp.

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Response to Saving Hawaii (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

58. thank the lord he just said "this year" instead of "right now".

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Response to Saving Hawaii (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

72. Ho braddah...

...eat the spam musubi if you need!

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Response to Saving Hawaii (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

101. Dangit. I'm not even caught up yet and he says it again.

Should've gone with mavericky.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

45. Immigration reform! Wow! About time! n/t

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

47. Who knew John McCain would turn looking constipated into a lifestyle choice?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

54. Practicing his hamster face.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

59. ROTFL! I was trying to decide how to describe that expression of his!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

49. check and mate on immigration

man


if we can't get something comprehensive just get me something and I will sign it right away



But you know the (R)s won't do anything

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

50. Women should earn equal pay for equal work....and the repukes don't stand. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

77. They are trying to figure out how women are going to get the housework done on top of getting = pay

freaking dinosaurs...

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

51. Women should earn equal...

pay for equal work!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

53. "Women should earn equal pay for equal work."

What is sad, and upsetting is that this is even an ISSUE in 2012.

And it IS an issue. There are STILL sexist pigs out there and I just don't get it.

How long does it take for sexist idiots to die off...

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

55. "Women should earn = pay for = work!!" YES!! n/t

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Response to hue (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:19 PM

206. OMG

It's 2012 and we're still fighting for this?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

56. Boner keeps licking his lips. Seems stressed- in need of bourbon and chap stik.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

77. Maybe saddle soap will help. Isn't that what you use to condition old leather? n/t

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

57. "Put it in a bill and get it on my desk..this year." nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

67. Think he wants an immigration fight during the election year?

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Response to Saving Hawaii (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

74. Yes. He wins it. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #74)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

86. I've been saying for months...

...we don't win wedge issues by running away from them in an election year.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

62. Whoever gives the response is going to look so small if they go on the attack. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

97. When it's time for the GOP response, we'll have to close this SOTU thread...

...and open the STFU thread.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

63. Support research and innovation!

Yeah, baby!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

65. Drill Baby Drill !

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

66. Oh, BOO to offshore oil.

say it isn't so.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

69. He never fails to make me realize he loves this country.

All of it.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

70. Nice response to alternative energy!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

71. How fantastic is it

to have a speech with no references to 'mushroom clouds' That speech made me vomit

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

73. Republicans applaud natural gas and offshore oil? Of course! n/t

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

76. Oh no

He slammed fracking.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

79. DRILL BABY DRILL!

 

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

80. Paul Ryan toolishly laughing at Obama proposing an All-Of-The-Above strategy for energy development

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

81. Calling for more clean energy...

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

82. "It was PUBLIC RESEARCH DOLLARS that developed this technology"

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:42 PM

83. Hmmm, Boehner must have taken His mood stabilizers tonight!! n/t

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:42 PM

84. LOL! Remind them that Government research led to fracking

Government doesn't do anything? Right?

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

95. I can't believe he is for fracking. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

87. any solandya workers in the house?

 

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Response to IamK (Reply #87)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

97. there are no solandya workers anymore

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

89. "We've subsidized oil companies for a century. THAT'S LONG ENOUGH."

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Response to Robb (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

121. Yes! That was awesome!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

90. did he say natural gas? as in FRACKING? right?

nooooo!
If he's talking about cleaner energy, where the ALTERNATIVE power sources?

(granted, I am coming to the party late, and having loading issues so I have only gotten a few sentences...but that doesn;t sound right)

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #90)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

125. He said that...but he "qualified" it with...

...the mutha-frackers need to disclose the chemicals they're using (even as they generate "small" earthquakes).

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

91. The Duke of Orange makes Big O look yellow!

Truly unsettling.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

92. Time to end subsidies for oil industry!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:43 PM

94. Wow, he went there on the Oil industry being subsidized!!! Woot!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

99. Thank you thank you thank you Mr. President!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

102. ...Congress ass-kicking in progress

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Response to sfpcjock (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:02 PM

192. +1 for a well deserved ass-kicking!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

102. OT--my little daughter thought the Supreme Court weren't clapping because they're nuns

She also asked, perfectly seriously: "You know how Obama was the first black president? If the guy with white hair wins, will he be the first... well, stupid president?"

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Response to renate (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

118. Ha! Who was the guy with the white hair?

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #118)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

143. Gingrich :)

I don't know how she picked him out of the (R) field as the stupidest... I guess because those mental giants Cain, Perry, and Bachman have dropped out.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

104. Obama: You won't get off your ass, so I will continue to kick it

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

105. I like this line on clean energy:

Itís time to end the taxpayer giveaways to an industry thatís rarely been more profitable, and double-down on a clean energy industry thatís never been more promising.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

106. Watching Obama here reminds me of a famous Bill Maher line

Obama will fuck you up

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Response to malaise (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

133. "Obama will fuck you up"



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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

107. Holy shite--he's using the military to purchase clean energy....

Nice move...

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #107)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

114. Now that's defense spending I can get behind! nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

108. You can tell how great this speech is by the unhappy looks on Republicans' faces.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

110. Infrastructure!

Including high speed broadband. Fuck, yeah!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

111. On DOD renewable energy

The West Los Angeles V.A. Hospital is installing solar panels over all it's parking lots. Yeah!!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

112. Obama loves this country. Newt/Mitt love themselves.

That really is the difference, and it shows here.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #112)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

134. Amen.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

113. Obama is fucking killing it!

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #113)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

123. +1,000,000

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

115. I have to laugh at the light shining on him from the heavens

I am sick of seeing sourpuss Republiclowns sitting on their rears pouting

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

124. I saw that too....awesome. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

116. a peace dividend

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

117. Bouncy Bouncy Bounce

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

119. Look At Boehner's Face.....

....the dufus looks like he's swallowed a lemon.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

120. "Take the money we're no longer spending on war, use half of it to pay down the debt...

...and use the rest to do some nation-building at home."

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #120)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

146. But how much of that war money have we been borrowing?

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

158. We are not going to cut our way out of a depression. n/t

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 08:59 AM

216. Agreed. I just don't like to suggest there'll be a 'peace dividend.'

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

122. Nation Building! Fuck yeah!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

126. We Need Nancy Pelosi back in the Speaker's Chair

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Response to BlueDemKev (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:52 PM

151. That's a MUST!

Would help if grinch ran for POTUS, instead of mittens.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

127. Nice purple tie there, Geithner

Too bad the Ravens lost on Sunday.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

128. Sweet... another chance for banks to rip people off on "refinance"

 

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

129. Infrastructure!!! Construction!! Rebuild!! Refinance!! Screw the 1 %!!!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

130. "We'll give those banks that were rescued by taxpayers a chance to repay a deficit of trust."

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #130)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

135. It's like his staff reads DU.

I distinctly remember someone floating that idea.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

132. timmy looks like he swallowed a lemon.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

137. Obama/Duncan education policy is total bullshit. He can't call for merit pay at the same time he is

calling for an end to teaching to the test. Merit pay is based on test scores.

I HATE Arne Duncan. He is such a smarmy ass jerk.

He can shove Race to the Top up his ass. Notice he didn't use the phrase but he isn't changing his failed policies which are turning off a significant voting bloc - teachers.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

138. Bombs going off all over Camp Pen tonight for clean energy projects on public lands

ending oil subsidies and investing the peace dividend!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

139. Fellow DUers, let me just say, THAT is MY President. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #139)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

184. +1

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

140. Did Droopy Dog just call Mr. President a son of a bitch?

That's what it looked like to me.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #140)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

164. Who? Where?

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Response to elleng (Reply #164)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:04 PM

195. Lebermanheavepileof shit. Too late now (MSNBC)

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:15 PM

203. OG, glad I missed it!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

140. He's approved less regulations than Boosh!

Ooooh, that's gotta hurt the Repugs!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

140. Barack Obama...meme killer!

Makin' the pugs very uncomfortable.

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #140)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:52 PM

153. I'm lovin' it

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

144. Welp, Obama 2012's POLICY PROPOSALS are certainly to the left of Obama's 2008's RHETORIC.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #144)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:52 PM

152. lol

Join the team, Joshua.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #152)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

156. If he keeps it up I won't feel bitter voting for 'em.

But damn it's going to suck having to defend The Most Consistent President Evar.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

145. "I am not backing down from making sure an oil company can contain a spill like we saw in the Gulf."

+Mercury rules.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

147. I do believe the term here is ...

Kicking ass and taking names!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

148. Fighting the war against womens rights. n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:51 PM

149. Yay Health care! "I will not go back!"

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Response to nolabear (Reply #149)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

159. Damn F--k--g Right!!!

The Affordable Care Act MUST be preserved.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

154. Shout out to Consumer Protection Agency!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

155. Pledging no more Wall St. bailouts?

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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #155)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

189. "No bailouts, no handouts, and no copouts."

n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

157. I must say

This is quite refreshing after wall-to-wall RomGrich the last couple of weeks.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #157)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

163. For real...

...I just saw Eric Cantor clapping.



CHURCH!

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #163)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

174. yes, I saw it too, but it looked really really painful....and it was with a frown.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #163)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

188. When I see Republicans smiling...

I get really scared!!!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:54 PM

160. He's not on solid ground talking about shaky lending practices...and A.G. Holder. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:54 PM

161. No tax hike on 160M Americans!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:54 PM

162. Obama's going to overstep, sidestep and step over the Repukes.!! Stop the tax hike!!!!n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

165. Obama says No Drama regarding passing the payroll tax cut bill!

Woohoo!!!!!

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

166. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to be temporary! I knew it at the time...was really permanent.

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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

167. What is wrong with Cantor? Geez....he looks like he just ate something really disgusting.

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Response to Alameda (Reply #167)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

176. He doesn't like the feel..

of Obama's foot up his ass!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:56 PM

168. eeewwwww! Eric Cantor!!! *gag* Time to hit the top 1%!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:56 PM

170. Oooooh....sour GOP faces when talking taxes.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:56 PM

171. "so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors"

There. Obama just promised not to gut any of those programs.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

172. This is good.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

173. Obama: Members of Congress should pay their fair share in taxes. Republicans sit on their hands.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

175. He's on solid ground with this tax talkin'.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

177. How can any American

not love the guy?

He's so personable and has so much common sense

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

178. ***GO TO THREAD 3!!!***

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #178)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

185. THANKYOU!! PLEASE SWITCH OVER!! NT

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

179. I don't envy the rich. Taxes should be fair, though.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

180. Boehner and the Republicans Look Pissed

A short while ago both John Boehner and John Cornyn. Boehner was squirming and looking angry. Cornyn just looked angry.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

182. Lol! This is getting too complex for Boehner!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

183. Obama going after Romney's idiotic "O. hates the rich" meme!

 

Nicely done!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

186. Nice

He hit that out of the park on the tax inequality issue. Hardly can be accused of dividing anyone.

It begins, Obama is starting to motivate the masses once again.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

187. Man, Obama looks angry. Reminds me of getting lectured by my father there.

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Response to Saving Hawaii (Reply #187)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:13 PM

200. Your Dad Must Have Been One Cool Dude

That was your point right?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:01 PM

190. Ban insidertrading by Members of Congress!!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:01 PM

191. I'm starting to cry. This man needs to be in the White House for four more years.

If only they would have worked with him for the first four years IMAGINE how much more he could have done to save us.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #191)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:04 PM

194. +1

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Response to musicblind (Reply #191)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

208. +1,000,000

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:04 PM

193. Bohner doesn't applaud the words of Abraham Lincoln?

WTF?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:06 PM

196. "We should all want a smarter more effective government!"-except the oligarchy that controls Repuks

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:06 PM

197. What's with McConnell ....sour face...it's like a mask of bitterness

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Response to Alameda (Reply #197)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:15 PM

204. Obama Is Capping On His Rich BFF's

He has his inner third grader dialed in.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:07 PM

198. Yertle will only vote for 33,000,000 turtle tunnels in the Senate



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Response to sfpcjock (Reply #198)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:17 PM

205. Yertle is still confused as to why he has no chin n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:12 PM

199. Republicans (like Newt and Romney) don't know what they are talking about ..

 

when it comes to the image of America abroad.

Well stated.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:13 PM

201. Nothing about domestic unrest/ OWS?

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Response to Courtesy Flush (Reply #201)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:48 PM

213. That was conveniently ignored by both sides, wasn't it? n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:27 PM

207. Love the optimism

Such a contrast with the vision that the GOP has for America.

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