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Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:45 PM

DUers from TX, exactly how popular is this secessionist movement(? ) there?

Martin Bashir just ran a video of some guy from TX whining about how their rights and culture have been stripped from them and that they are going to quit playing nice with the rest of us and leave.

I see these statements being made periodically on national shows but am wondering about what the average Texan says when someone makes those statements in --say-- your average social event. How much traction do they have?

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Reply DUers from TX, exactly how popular is this secessionist movement(? ) there? (Original post)
Skidmore Jan 2013 OP
ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2013 #1
im1013 Jan 2013 #28
Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #33
Downwinder Jan 2013 #2
RussBLib Jan 2013 #3
Downwinder Jan 2013 #4
Paladin Jan 2013 #5
kentauros Jan 2013 #39
blogslut Jan 2013 #6
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #12
blogslut Jan 2013 #14
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #15
blogslut Jan 2013 #17
Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #7
snooper2 Jan 2013 #8
Paladin Jan 2013 #24
narnian60 Jan 2013 #29
kentauros Jan 2013 #41
snooper2 Jan 2013 #47
newfie11 Jan 2013 #9
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #10
Gothmog Jan 2013 #11
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #13
Paladin Jan 2013 #30
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #34
Paladin Jan 2013 #38
kentauros Jan 2013 #46
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #49
kentauros Jan 2013 #50
hughee99 Jan 2013 #16
hobbit709 Jan 2013 #18
tanyev Jan 2013 #19
johnsolaris Jan 2013 #20
juajen Jan 2013 #21
Rex Jan 2013 #22
AgainsttheCrown Jan 2013 #23
LeftInTX Jan 2013 #25
Texasgal Jan 2013 #26
justabob Jan 2013 #27
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #32
Ter Jan 2013 #35
onestepforward Jan 2013 #36
quakerboy Jan 2013 #37
MineralMan Jan 2013 #40
Burma Jones Jan 2013 #42
dembotoz Jan 2013 #43
derby378 Jan 2013 #44
ellie Jan 2013 #45
Javaman Jan 2013 #48
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #51
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PurpleEngineer Jan 2013 #54
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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:49 PM

1. I live in red Texas hell but I have no idea because I

do everything I can to avoid wasting any time on these idiot's bullshit. Most of the people I come into contact with here are stupid as a tree stump.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:29 PM

28. I can totally relate.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:46 PM

33. Yup, they are really ignorant and proud of it here in East Texas.

Lady that works at one of the banks has a math degree and also studied Latin, but said she doesn't believe in evolution and "doesn't want to talk about it".



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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:53 PM

2. I hope Bashir told him good bye. Read a good post a week or two

ago on the origin of "cowboy".

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:56 PM

3. who knows?

I don't consort with anyone stupid or naive enough to actually think that Texas should secede. It's just Texas swagger, esp on the part of the real wackos. If any of them actually think it could happen, they should be committed.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:21 PM

4. Do you need more than this? Even Perry quit talking about it.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:24 PM

5. I Don't Think There's Much To It.


And I say that as a life-long Texan with a good number of conservative friends (sorry folks, I don't administer purity tests, unless somebody's really gotten obnoxious). There doesn't seem to be be anything in the way of organized efforts to make it happen---no public rallies, no angry emails, no newspaper call-to-arms announcements, no politicos making demands, nothing. Every once in a while I see a faded "Secede!" bumper sticker on a pickup, and that's about it.

Keep in mind that 3.3 million Texans cast votes for Obama, and Obama prevailed in most of the big cities: Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio. And state demographics really are trending away from the lilly-white Republican power structure we've been burdened with for so long. I remain hopeful for the future.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:00 AM

39. I remain hopeful about my home, too :)



I also remain hopeful that our DU-enemies will get a clue and shut up about it already!

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:25 PM

6. Texas is home to over 25 million Americans

That stupid petition has a bout 125,000 signatures.

The secessionist thing has always been a fringe thing.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:37 PM

12. yeah but which way would the state go if they could vote on it? Seriously

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:41 PM

14. It's not going to happen because it can't be done.

There is no clause or law or special rule that allows Texas to secede. Our state legislature may be insane but they're not yet barking mad.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:45 PM

15. it's a hypothetical question

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:46 PM

17. I don't much care for hypotheticals.

Sorry.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:26 PM

7. Not from Texas...

....but a few of my friends are and every one of them belongs to some type of group promoting the idea of leaving the union on Facebook. However they are all very conservative and scary religious.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:26 PM

8. Oh it's fucking everywhere...the checkers at Krogers have pins calling to secede

Every other car has a bumper sticker with it..

Local radio and tv talk about it on a daily basis-

Shit, some DJ's are even starting to sponsor events to cover costs with starting our own nation!


We don't really want to keep Brownsville though so the thought is we will give that to Mexico to get some favorable items in our new treaties that are being drafted. You should come on down while the gettin' is good!!!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:04 PM

24. Did You Forget A Sarcasm Notice?


I think if the seccession thing were as prevalent as you claim, I would have heard about it, by now.

If you were blowing smoke, come clean about it, OK? The Texas-haters here at DU don't need any additional encouragement.....

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:41 PM

29. Good grief! What part of Texas is this??

I live in SE Texas & have not seen this bumper sticker ever.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:03 AM

41. I know you're being facetious

but do understand we have some members here that will be taking you seriously, and your kidding around just encourages them to be even more dickish.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:44 AM

47. amazing but looking at the two other replies you are right



people fucking crack me up

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:28 PM

9. Damn if Texas seceded I would be an illegal alien


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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:35 PM

10. I only ever had one person mention it to me in the past several years.

Due to the nature of my work I'm around a very large and diverse amount of people, I'm in no way sheltered from the masses out there. I've only had one person bring it up, I pointed out several reasons why Texas would be totally screwed if we lost our federal monies and I've never heard a peep out of them about it again.

I think there's a group called the 'Texas Nationalist Movement' holding some kind of rally in Austin today. I only heard about it because I read it on DU. There's nothing in the news about it at all down here. We try and pretend those nuts don't exist. Kind of like the rogue uncle the family never invites to weddings sort of scenario.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:36 PM

11. It is mainly the nut cases who are talking about this concept

IRL, I have not heard anyone seriously discussed this concept. It appears that it is mainly the nut cases who are pushing this concept and these people are not taken seriously.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:38 PM

13. forget seccession: Let's sell it back to Mexico.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:06 PM

30. And The 3.3 Million Texans Who Just Voted For Obama Can Just Go Fuck Themselves, Right?


Texas isn't going to secede, and there's no sale happening with Mexico. Throw another log on your fire up there in New England, bask in your superiority complex, and spare us such drivel.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:07 PM

31. We'll keep the 3.3 million and give Mexico half off.....

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:49 PM

34. I keep telling this

But Mexico does not want it. The border fence would be completed on both ends.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:49 AM

38. Transform Texas Democrats Into Political Refugees?


How big-hearted of you.....

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:14 AM

46. I'll back you up,

if and only if the entire north east (your beloved home of New England) is given in its entirety, part and parcel, back to the Native Americans. Mind you, that's given, not sold. Y'all don't even get to make one red cent on it. Think the rest of the north east will go for that, like in the same way you want to divest yourself of Texas?

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Response to kentauros (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:50 AM

49. okay

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:00 AM

50. All right then, get started!

Of course, it means you'll have to shut up about selling off Texas and/or supporting their secession until you fully accomplish giving away New England.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:46 PM

16. From what I understand (relatives in Texas), it's as popular there as it is in Vermont.

Which is to say, "not very".

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:51 PM

18. About as popular as a case of poison ivy in the nether regions.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:56 PM

19. The topic never even comes up with any of the average Texans I talk to.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:01 PM

20. trends & truth

Hi,

Texas has a population as of last census of over 25,600,000. Maybe 100, 000 idiots have signed the secession petition, so shall we do the math. Over 25 million Texans do not want to Secede.

Texas like the rest of the country is trending away from the Republicans. As "Paladin" noted in his post, all the major cities voted Democratic & Dallas county has a elected Sheriff that is Lesbian & Hispanic. How is that for a trend.

The Major population cities in the country Voted for Obama & most of the Rural counties voted Republican. That holds True in most States, even Liberal ones like California & New York. The cities have the most voters.

The Secessionist & Republicans have learned the old Business cliche, The Squeaky wheel gets the most oil. In Plain English, They are just a bunch of loudmouths. Listen at your own Risk.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:25 PM

21. I have a very good conservative friend in Texas.

He send me a text after I asked him to elucidate on a remark, that simply said "secede". I texted back thusly. A large portion of your Texans are democrats. Where ya gonna put em? He sorta checked out.

Not only where ya gonna put em?, but, a large number of them have guns also. So, civil war in Texas? He really couldn't wrap himself around this discussion. The facts are just not on his side and he knows it. Bless his heart!

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:27 PM

22. Around these parts it is an urban legend, I never hear it

and I live in a very red part of south Texas.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:58 PM

23. Anecdotally speaking....

*A majority of Texas voters re-elected Rick Perry after he dodged debating a pretty damn good candidate. In fact I recall Bill White technically being endorsed by the Midland Reporter Telegram in their endorsement of Rick Perry (because he's on Team R).

*I had these discussions a few years ago and I had a looooooong argument with two co-workers about secession about a week after this last election.

*And I've seen a few of the secede bumper stickers on co-worker's personal vehicles. (I'm a cop)

So my thinking is that if a majority can repeatedly elect a dumbass by a healthy margin anything is possible.

And if people in a profession such as policing, in which the professionals are supposedly impartial arbiters of facts (yes I know ) , can arrive at the conclusion that we should secede..then I think it's certainly a possibility and not that far out of the mainstream. I really think they just need a charismatic leader to give them a shove in that direction.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:12 PM

25. It's fringe group, just as every state have their fringe groups

Now you will get some mainstream types who put "SECEDE" bumper stickers on their car and rowdy types that will shout it out in rallies, but its nothing serious.

Texas has a had a secession movement for a very long time, but it's about as mainstream as Warren Jeffs and David Koresh. Usually there is a criminal element involved.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:23 PM

26. Most people think it's stupid ...

Including Republicans. An really, it *is* stupid.

Seems the people that are even remotely interested are people that do not even live in this state.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:27 PM

27. I see the bumper stickers, but

I rarely interact with anyone that mentions it as anything but foolishness, even the republicans. The secessionists are just noisy.

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Response to justabob (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:09 PM

32. just like in Alaska. nt

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:53 PM

35. Not popular enough

 

n/t

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:19 PM

36. On my glaring red local message board,

it was only lightly mentioned by less than a handful. It's not a serious topic and was dropped.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:21 PM

37. Less popular than the one in Quebec.

Likely less so than in Ireland, Cyprus, Sicily, Catalonia, Basque country, flemish Belgium, and a few others, I expect.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:03 AM

40. Maybe we could just let the county that holds Waco, Texas secede.

They could form a new country called Moronia. Then, they could get foreign aid from the US to keep themselves afloat.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:09 AM

42. You have to remember that there's a LOT of weird in Texas

I've lived there and still have a lot of family there....Texas is big and a place of extremes.

Amongst my Texas relatives, most of them GOP, this sort of stuff makes them chuckle.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:12 AM

43. may i suggest we put them on the nra list of folks too crazy to own a gun?????

125,000 is a good round number to start the list with.

make the nra happy--crazy people with no guns

make rest of the county happy--crazy people with no guns

as for the folks on the list--who cares--they are crazy

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:12 AM

44. WHAT secessionist movement?

I don't see any evidence of it anywhere in Dallas. Heck, I went out west at least as far as Seymour last month, and I still didn't run across any breakaway sentiments.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:13 AM

45. How I feel about states seceding: Well, 'bye.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:44 AM

48. Checking in from Austin...

It's not.

It's limited to the fringe morons that have always existed in Texas in one form or another.

It's virtually non-existent in the cities and is more popular with the libertarians living in the sticks.

This kind of things pops up for one reason or another every few years.

Mostly it has to do with some moron in the Texas house, having been recently elected, paying lip service to one of these groups by allowing them to push whatever half wit agenda they feel is "important" and the house member feels will garner him or her the most votes in their district.

After it's floated, it usually vanishes off the radar after a few months.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these people aren't certifiably crazy and aren't dangerous, but they are very vary far (like living on pluto) from having any "ground swell" type support for their crazy-ass inanity.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:03 AM

51. Even my most sub-literate and knuckle-dragging conservative neighbors

Even my most sub-literate and knuckle-dragging conservative neighbors, family and co-workers chuckle at it, as we all do such fringe movements The Aztlan crowd, the gaggle of Birchers, the LaRouche club, etc. are fodder for chuckles and "bless-your-little-hearts" from the Dallas suburbs to the dusty plains of San Angelo.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:03 AM

52. I've never heard anyone mention it.

Not even my right wing in-laws in east TX.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:05 AM

53. I'm in Houston and I never hear any talk of it - not even in the Letters to the Editor.

...and those can be very right wing.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:29 AM

54. No Secession, but

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some group would start to support the creation of an additional state (or states) per the joint resolution to annex Texas. While Article 4, Sec 3 of the Constitution clearly states that any new state created out of an existing state can only proceed with the consent of congress, Texas' Annexation in 1845, it could be argued, (not by me, mind you) supersedes Art 4.

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Response to Skidmore (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:22 PM

55. I'm in Austin so very low

But in the adjacent counties I see more secede bumper stickers

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