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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:46 PM

GUNS GUNS GUNS

I've been taking a brake since the election but decided to comment again in light of a lot of the comments I have read recently regarding gun control and Sandy Hook and the Aurora CO trail and some of the leaks coming out of Biden's panel on gun control.

First and foremost, what the hell is wrong with people comparing 'hammers' to guns. What a bunch of crap. No one has ever, EVER, busted through a locked front door of an elementary school and killed 20 BABIES and 6 teachers with a damn 2x4. No one has ever, EVER, walked into a movie theater and killed 13 people and injured almost 2 dozen with a damn mallet. Two crazy teenagers have never, EVER, walked into a high school and killed 11 of their fellow students with a damn crowbar. Anyone that floats that meme has serious issues in my opinion. Go back and stare at the pictures of those 20 babies murdered by this psycho with a GUN (the distinction is pointless so don't make one), shooting all of them MORE THAN ONCE and some were shot 11 TIMES.

Reasonable gun control, to include a true assault weapons ban with no grandfather clause, close the gun show loop hole for background checks, limit clip sizes and make cop killing armor-piercing rounds illegal) you don't need a Bushmaster with a drum clip full of 100 armor-piercing rounds to go target shooting or hunting.

I've had my say.

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angrychair Jan 2013 OP
Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #1
pscot Jan 2013 #2
longship Jan 2013 #16
tama Jan 2013 #31
Deep13 Jan 2013 #27
rrneck Jan 2013 #3
Agschmid Jan 2013 #14
Iris Jan 2013 #4
duhneece Jan 2013 #5
pasto76 Jan 2013 #10
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #6
samsingh Jan 2013 #7
quinnox Jan 2013 #8
libdem4life Jan 2013 #9
nevergiveup Jan 2013 #11
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #12
cantbeserious Jan 2013 #13
Lovetheconstitution Jan 2013 #15
Hekate Jan 2013 #21
taxpayer2000 Jan 2013 #17
obxhead Jan 2013 #18
ranger1 Jan 2013 #19
onehandle Jan 2013 #24
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #25
Hekate Jan 2013 #20
uppityperson Jan 2013 #22
onehandle Jan 2013 #23
bluerum Jan 2013 #26
Deep13 Jan 2013 #28
zombieklr Jan 2013 #29
ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #30

Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:50 PM

1. K and R for the 'guns are just tools'

republicans.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:57 PM

2. Republicans are just tools

of the gun industry.

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Response to pscot (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:45 PM

16. No. Gun advocates are just tools.

I live in a rural area where many hunt. I know several people who hunt for meat, people who have no livelihood and who live... off the land. So a deer provides many, many meals. A wild turkey provides a family Christmas dinner.

So I am not against guns, or hunting, although I have neither guns nor do I hunt. But I understand that there is a need here in the wilds of Michigan, a state which has had such a serious economic downturn.

But I cannot buy into the guns for protection racket. Therein lies madness, and homocide. It makes me cry that anybody would see it any other way.

People here hunt for food. Apparently those who advocate hunting for sport would include supposed home invaders. There are no white tail deer invading houses here. And only an occasional raccoon or squirrel. Crime is very low here. Violent crime is basically nonexistent.

People here have guns because they use them to survive, not to protect themselves from supposed alien invasions, or any such thing.

I have no position on the second amendment. But the people around here are decent folks who make do with what they have and what nature provides.

Last year I helped a friend harvest enough apples to make over 500 gallons of apple cider, which we turned into wine. It's a nice brew with which the whole community helped and who benefits.

Rural areas of the world do this type of thing all the time. We prop up each other.

That's what makes a big difference. It's not the guns. It is ethics.

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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:47 AM

31. Guns for protection -madness

 

That's the issue. And it's not different from "MIC and Imperialist Army and Robocops" for protection -madness.

There are some DUers who are very vocally demanding 100 percent ban of "guns" while giving full support for MIC, US military imperialism and Robocop police state to "protect and serve" banks. At least when the POTUS is from the D party, not from R or Tea party.

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Response to pscot (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:59 PM

27. They're just tools generally. nt

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:04 PM

3. Decent rant.

I'll give it a 7.5. I'd give an 8 but you blew the dismount.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:39 PM

14. Should you need this, there is an APP for that.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:08 PM

4. The week after this happened, there was a meme going around

about someone in another country attacking 20 children in a school with a knife. All of the children survived that particular attack.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:14 PM

5. AND more mental health resources and research

If we want to reduce gun deaths, we need many changes, many improvements in many areas.

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Response to duhneece (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:53 PM

10. yep. a FB friend brought that up. Another FB friend debunked it

guns make killing too easy. Im an iraq veteran. I know my weapons. I know how to kill with them. I know firsthand the ins and outs of different firearms. The way too easy access to assault rifles that maniacs have in this country needs to stop.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:18 PM

6. Good post......

.....I wish you were a legislator.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:23 PM

7. recommend

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:25 PM

8. in China, eerily on the same date, a madman went to an elementary school and stabbed a bunch of

 

kids, and they all survived.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:38 PM

9. Also noted that it's hard to kill one's self with a knife, so he will have to suffer in prison.

Far more difficult than checking out the "easy" way.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:56 PM

11. Thank you!

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:59 PM

12. You don't have to worry about the armor piercing rounds. They are already banned.

One less thing for you to worry about.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:36 PM

13. Agreed - Well Said

eom

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Response to Lovetheconstitution (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:10 PM

21. Please explain what "similar acts of violence" took place in the late 1700's?

The Revolutionary War was a war. An actual war.

I have never read of anyone using a flintlock to shoot up a school or a public event.

You are romanticizing a past that never was and fantasizing a personal present and future that will never be.

If our government ever becomes fully fascist, how exactly will your toys defend you against drone attacks, pain rays, "Free Speech Zones" behind chain link fences (oh wait, that was the Bush administration), sonic cannons, pepper spray, tasers, water cannons -- and the might of the US Army?





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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:46 PM

17. Michael Moore contradiction ...

 

"But, friends, I would like to propose that while all of the above will certainly reduce gun deaths (ask Mayor Bloomberg -- it is virtually impossible to buy a handgun in New York City and the result is the number of murders per year has gone from 2,200 to under 400), it won't really bring about an end to these mass slayings and it will not address the core problem we have. Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country. That did nothing to prevent the murders of 20 small children on December 14th.

In fact, let's be clear about Newtown: the killer had no criminal record so he would never have shown up on a background check. All of the guns he used were legally purchased. None fit the legal description of an "assault" weapon. The killer seemed to have mental problems and his mother had him seek help, but that was worthless. As for security measures, the Sandy Hook school was locked down and buttoned up BEFORE the killer showed up that morning. Drills had been held for just such an incident. A lot of good that did.

And here's the dirty little fact none of us liberals want to discuss: The killer only ceased his slaughter when he saw that cops were swarming onto the school grounds -- i.e, the men with the guns. When he saw the guns a-coming, he stopped the bloodshed and killed himself. Guns on police officers prevented another 20 or 40 or 100 deaths from happening. Guns sometimes work. (Then again, there was an armed deputy sheriff at Columbine High School the day of that massacre and he couldn't/didn't stop it.)"

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/gun-violence-united-states_b_2358115.html|

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:47 PM

18. Well said.

K&R

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:57 PM

19. GUNS

 

Hey keep you hands off my GUNS!!! You don't like it leave! This is a free country an me and my GUNS are going to keep it free!!!!!!

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Response to ranger1 (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:39 PM

24. Have you tried Viagra? nt

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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:45 PM

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:01 PM

20. KnR. Tell us how you really feel, now.

The gun threads are getting on my last nerve.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:14 PM

22. FWIW, a conservative gun-focused forum linked to a Du thread and voila.

Lots of people signing up to troll. There have been some decent ones, but mostly MIRT has been busy.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:38 PM

23. But King George might be back annnnnnnnnny minute. nt

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:52 PM

26. SNUG SNUG SNUG SNUG SNUG SNUG

I said my word more times.

My word is your word backwards. I like my word better.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:00 AM

28. You have to have a grandfather clause...

...because you cannot punish conduct that was lawful when performed. And you cannot make lawfully owned property retroactively illegal with paying the owner fair market value.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:05 AM

29. No

 

I'm not giving up my rifles. Ever.

I've had my say.

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Response to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:16 AM

30. I just want to say that I mentioned hammers in a gun thread, but I wasn't

equating the two.

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