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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:54 AM

So you’re in a room with a pack of crazed rabid hyenas.

They are going to tear you to pieces.

The Great Negotiator arrives and says, “Don’t worry, I’ve got this covered.”

He walks over to the pack of hyenas, talks to them for a few minutes and returns.

“Listen”, he says. “I’ve got an agreement. They will settle for chewing off only one arm and one leg”

At this point you:

(A). thank him for the great job he’s just done.

(B). shrug disappointedly and say “Well, I guess that’s the best deal we could get”.

(C). go bat shit crazy and say “What the hell are you doing?!? They’re not your arms and legs to give away!! Why don’t you stay in the room with me and together we can fight these bastards and maybe I can keep my arms and legs?!!

(D). other.

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Reply So you’re in a room with a pack of crazed rabid hyenas. (Original post)
alberg Jan 2013 OP
Earth_First Jan 2013 #1
Control-Z Jan 2013 #14
Earth_First Jan 2013 #15
alberg Jan 2013 #16
snooper2 Jan 2013 #2
alberg Jan 2013 #4
snooper2 Jan 2013 #6
alberg Jan 2013 #9
snooper2 Jan 2013 #12
Shrike47 Jan 2013 #30
alberg Jan 2013 #33
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #46
whistler162 Jan 2013 #3
alberg Jan 2013 #5
sarisataka Jan 2013 #7
Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #8
alberg Jan 2013 #11
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #23
alberg Jan 2013 #24
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #36
alberg Jan 2013 #38
Flashmann Jan 2013 #10
alberg Jan 2013 #13
yogini Jan 2013 #17
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #18
alberg Jan 2013 #19
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #25
alberg Jan 2013 #41
tblue Jan 2013 #28
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #20
alberg Jan 2013 #21
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #29
alberg Jan 2013 #34
L0oniX Jan 2013 #22
alberg Jan 2013 #37
Speck Tater Jan 2013 #26
tblue Jan 2013 #27
ecstatic Jan 2013 #31
Sunlei Jan 2013 #32
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #35
alberg Jan 2013 #42
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #50
XRubicon Jan 2013 #39
XRubicon Jan 2013 #40
alberg Jan 2013 #44
alberg Jan 2013 #43
Hekate Jan 2013 #45
alberg Jan 2013 #48
tjwash Jan 2013 #47
alberg Jan 2013 #49
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #51
Politicub Jan 2013 #52
alberg Jan 2013 #53
VOX Jan 2013 #54
Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #55
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #56

Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:55 AM

1. (D). Alert thread n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:50 AM

14. Did you? (nt)

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:52 AM

15. Nah. n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:59 AM

16. I got the joke. It was sort of like the Kobayashi Maru.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:56 AM

2. I would think the rabid hyenas would first take the great negotiator apart in pieces

then finish you off...

Everyone dies

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:59 AM

4. The hyenas understand the rules, the Negotiator has immunity.

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Response to alberg (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:04 AM

6. hyenas understand no rules, they are fearless....nothing can have immunity from a pack of hyenas



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Response to snooper2 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:09 AM

9. Unfortunately there are forces on this planet that are more powerful than male loins.

Large corporations and mega banks are two examples I can think of.

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Response to alberg (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:19 AM

12. And this, the most powerful in the World...




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Response to alberg (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:04 PM

30. Not to mention a chastity belt.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:23 PM

33. Yes!. It's either that or abstinence.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

46. You die, she dies, everybody dies

 

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:57 AM

3. and next door is a group of politicians.....

do you stay or go into the other room?

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:04 AM

5. Can't go in the other room, only Politicians and Negotiators are allowed in there.

The "Little People" are not allowed in that room.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:06 AM

7. I'll take my chances

with the hyenas. At least you know their agenda.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:07 AM

8. Gee, I'm missing the allegory you're making here.

Would this be about the 'fiscal cliff' or The Chief Negotiator in general? Would this be about the art of compromise or the 'I want what I want and that's the only solution I'll take' school of thought? Is this about not recognizing that we the people need to hold the feet of Congress to the fire? The we need to remember our high school civics class that taught Congress makes laws, the President enforces them? That any and all issues with regulations and laws and taxes begin and end with the Congress? Or is this just a cheap shot at the President?

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:16 AM

11. This is about knowing who your negotiating with, what your negotiating for and the difference

between what's on the table and what can never be on the table.

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Response to alberg (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:04 PM

23. I hope a couple of apostrophes and the letter "e" are on the table.

It's helpful to have them around when you're in the Very Smart Allegory business.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:56 PM

24. Yes, that's it. We'll fight them with grammar and syntax.

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Response to alberg (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:28 PM

36. You can fight better with it than without it.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:34 PM

38. Sometimes.

But sometimes courage and a commitment to doing the right thing trumps any small short comings of style. Sometimes "being appropriate" or "not rocking the boat" can be the the biggest enemies of the good. Thanks for reading the post.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:10 AM

10. So you’re in a room with a pack of crazed rabid hyenas.

I can't relate to the premise......I'd never be in a room full of either rethugs or gun nuts.....

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:19 AM

13. Unfortunately, I think we're all trapped in a room with crazed rabid hyenas

whether we like it or not.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:44 PM

17. The point is knowing who you're negotiating with

isn't it? You don't bring flowers to a knife fight. Mistaking a pack of rabid, crazed hyenas for a pack of golden retreivers is a serious mistake.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:00 PM

18. so you're making up bad analogies.

Don't do that.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:51 PM

19. Some people know how to negotiate and some don't.

The skill can be taught but a person needs to be willing to learn.

The "other side" always wants their unfair share. If your negotiating strategy is to imagine what a reasonable compromise agreement would be and then to put that position forward as your opening offer your either a lousy negotiator or in league with the "other side". The "other side" will always take your opening offer as a starting point and then work you as far as they can towards their maximum demands.

In the analogy, the Negotiator could have told the hyenas "Look, I know your hungry but that guy over there is a friend of mine and your not going to eat him. Back off and leave him alone or me, and that guy and some of my friends in the next room are going to kill each and every one of you and turn your pelts into rugs."

Something like that.

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Response to alberg (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:08 PM

25. You can't see the flaw in your analogy. Whatever. nt

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

41. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings."

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Response to alberg (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:28 PM

28. "Back off and leave him alone" =

words yet to be uttered.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:54 PM

20. (D) Feed the Hyenas your strawman. They're crazy and will think it is real.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:03 PM

21. I hope your right,

otherwise I'm out an arm and leg that I was planning on using in my retirement.

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Response to alberg (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:55 PM

29. I've been right the last 6 times the preciction you are making only through

straw-man and innuendo has been put forward.

Ironically, if Obama had lost in 2012, those who were SURE he was going to make such "arm and leg" cuts, would have been wrong.

But he won, so they get 4 more years to re-predict the same thing every few months.

Early on, they made specific predictions. Like, "Obama is going to announce major SS cuts in his State of the Union speech!!". Didn't happen. It was going to be part of his budget proposals ... didn't happen.

Was DEFINITELY going to hapen during the debt ceiling last summer ... again, nope.

And it was absolutely going to happen in the fiscal cliff deal!!!! And then again ... nope.

So after so many have been wrong before, the smart move is to not make a specific prediction, but to build a straw-man. An amorphous claim about how Obama is going to give away your "arm and leg".

By being non-specific, you can make this claim regardless of what actually happens. Even if nothing happens. Obama can't prove he won't kill Social security until he leaves office in 4 years.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:32 PM

34. I'm rooting for you to be right about all those things.

But there was a politician a long time ago who said something like, "Trust, but verify". Once the arm and leg are gone, it's real hard to get them back. And damn, when it's your actual hide that's at risk and not some abstract theoretical hide some concern is appropriate don't you think?

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:58 PM

22. (D). Point out how great the negotiator looks. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:29 PM

37. There's a bug on your post, but I get your point.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:15 PM

26. I don't sweat it. I'm packing an assault rifle.

 

Those hyenas are dead meat!

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:27 PM

27. Or what if the G.N. turned out to be one of them?

Anyway, my answer is C C C C C C C C C C C C C C!!!!

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:08 PM

31. So... what's your answer?

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:12 PM

32. noooo, you ask them to 'self-deport' problem solved.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:58 PM

35. d) Knock the negotiator over the head and feed him to hyenas /nt

 

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:24 PM

42. Creative.

That would buy some time, but I'm not sure it solves the underling problem.

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Response to alberg (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:47 PM

50. I dunno. The supply of self appointed middlemen...

 

...is effectively endless.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:36 PM

39. Look

You’re in a room. There is a pack of crazed rabid hyenas. There is a Great Negotiator.










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Response to XRubicon (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:38 PM

40. Open door

The door is locked.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:27 PM

44. I used to play that game. What was that game called?

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:25 PM

43. Yes and yes and yes again!

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

45. (D) Rest easy. The straw man makes a great mattress. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:32 PM

48. If he only had a brain.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:32 PM

47. This reminds me how much I miss Air America and Stepahnie Miller's "realllly BAD analogies" segment

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Response to tjwash (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:35 PM

49. Nice pictures, are they having sex?

And it's bad because it cuts to close to the truth?

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:54 PM

51. I would eat the hyenas...

I paraphrase of course.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 PM

52. Does this thread have something to do with the Keanu reeves Speed movie?

What would you do!!?!

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Response to Politicub (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:51 AM

53. I like option "C"

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

54. (D) I'm gonna need a greater Great Negotiator.

'Cause this guy's selling me down the river -- in pieces.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:19 AM

55. D: Kill the negotiator and make my escape while the Hyenas feed on his carcass.

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Response to alberg (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:29 AM

56. Easy.

 

Limit the number of hyenas in a pack.

Ban hyenas without muzzles.

Put the hyenas on your ignore list.





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