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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:12 AM

 

Architect of the President's personal kill list is now up to be the director of the CIA.

Do you find that comforting, I certainly don't. It's not as if the CIA has an outstanding record of not going outside the bounds of the law, or morality, and putting Brennan in charge of the CIA is not going to make things better, in fact it could make things much, much worse.

For instance, during Brennan's previous tenure with the CIA, he supported George Tenet's policy of using "enhanced interrogation", or as most of us call it, torture.

Furthermore, after becoming Obama's counterterrorism adviser, Brennan was the person who designed the legally and Constitutionally dubious Presidential kill list, which condemns American citizens to death without any sort of due process.

To put such a man, with such values, in charge of our one of nation's most powerful intelligence agencies is simply asking for trouble. The direction that he takes the CIA will not be a good one, but rather one that leads to the dark side of the American dream, torture and death on a massive scale with no legal or Constitutional recourse. We are quickly becoming a pariah in the world, and this appointment with only further that process, not reverse it.

Obama promised to close Gitmo, and end torture. This appointment, along with his previous actions in this regards, shows that those promises were nothing more than hot air on the campaign trail. Apparently this president has no qualms about torture, no qualms about killing Americans with no due process. Is this the kind of leadership this country wants or needs? I think not, and by traveling down this path, Obama is coming closer and closer to becoming the same sort of unindicted war criminal that America has seen far too often in people like Bush, Cheney and Kissinger.

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Reply Architect of the President's personal kill list is now up to be the director of the CIA. (Original post)
MadHound Jan 2013 OP
ProSense Jan 2013 #1
MadHound Jan 2013 #3
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #2
MadHound Jan 2013 #4
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #5

Response to MadHound (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:14 AM

1. This is

"Obama promised to close Gitmo, and end torture. This appointment, along with his previous actions in this regards, shows that those promises were nothing more than hot air on the campaign trail."

... nonsense. The President has a record.

ENDING TORTURE = Three Torches
  • Ordered an end to the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, withdrew
    flawed legal analysis used to justify torture and applied the Army Field Manual on interrogations
    government wide.
  • Abolished the CIA secret prisons.
  • Says that “waterboarding is torture” and “contrary to America’s traditions… contrary to our ideals.”
  • No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.
  • Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
    alleged victims of torture from having their day in court.
http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf

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Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:37 AM

3. Yes, he has a record, perhaps better than his predecessor, but still not a good one.

 

He hasn't closed Gitmo, and while the public is still fixated on that installation, he continue the operations at Bagram.

"Although President Obama issued an executive order on his second day in office, in January 2009, requiring interrogations to conform to the Army Field Manual (PDF), which prohibits physical violence and “enhanced interrogation,” Ambinder reported that, in the “black jail,” prisoners are subjected to sleep deprivation and isolation based on the Field Manual’s Appendix M (which Jeff Kaye has been writing about since last January), and which, under controlled circumstances, allows a range of Bush-era “enhanced interrogation techniques” to be used, including sleep deprivation and isolation. Ambinder also explained that when Appendix M techniques are being used, the man responsible for overseeing them is Gen.James Clapper (Ret.), the undersecretary of defense for intelligence."
http://pubrecord.org/torture/7806/obama-doing-bagram-part-one-torture/

"However, attorney Tina Foster feels that the new initiative is just a cosmetic measure. “There is absolutely no difference between the Bush administration and the Obama administration’s position with respect to Bagram detainees’ rights,” she said during an interview."
http://www.salon.com/2009/09/21/bagram_5/

"Two Afghan teenagers held in U.S. detention north of Kabul this year said they were beaten by American guards, photographed naked, deprived of sleep and held in solitary confinement in concrete cells for at least two weeks while undergoing daily interrogation about their alleged links to the Taliban...."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/28/808755/-NYT-WashPost-Torture-in-Obama-s-Bagram-Prison#


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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:15 AM

2. If I were Cantor I'd start being a bit less of an asshole

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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:31 AM

4. kick n/t

 

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:47 AM

5. His resume is almost as good as Charlie Manson's. Which is perfect for CIA director.

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