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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:08 AM

Please Help !

“The shale army has arrived. Resistance is futile.”
-- Bill Gwozd, v.p, of gas services for Ziff Energy.



“I choose not to believe the second half of that statement.

“The shale army is an accident-prone, carcinogen-dependent industry with no boundaries. The shale army seeks to use our land as its beachhead, our water as its battering ram, and our air as its receptacle for its toxic fumes. The proposed regs for New York are no defense. They do not prohibit flare stacks, open pits, or indefinite venting of toxic gases.

“Resistance is not only necessary, it feels like a fundamental responsibility of parenthood.

“There is nothing more important. Not your kid's soccer practice. Not your yoga class. Not your career. We still have a chance here-in the still unfractured state of New York-to stop a brutal and extreme form of fossil fuel extraction, to show the world how to build a green energy economy, and to help Governor Cuomo keep his promise to lead on climate change. All that necessitates saying NO to fracking. Our children's lives depend on our success.”
-- Dr. Sandra Steingraber



On Wednesday, January 9, Governor Andrew Cuomo will be delivering his “State of the State” address in Albany, NY. There will be a large pro-environmental safety, anti-fracking rally from 11 am to 3 pm, outside the auditorium where Governor Cuomo is speaking. Should any forum members be in the Albany area, I would strongly recommend that they attend the rally.

Because most folks on the Democratic Underground are not in the Albany area, I would like to suggest another way that you can support our effort. Please call Governor Cuomo’s office, to let him know that you oppose hydrofracking. The number is:

(518) 474-8390

Calls should be made today, tomorrow, and on Wednesday. There are two important points to be made: first, the Governor should not make any decision until the results of his health-impact study are completed; and second, Governor Cuomo should consider the results of the epidemiology now being conducted in the village of Sidney (as reported upon on the front page of the January 3 edition of that community’s weekly newspaper, The Tri-Town News).

Thank you for your participation. And, if possible, I hope that you will consider assisting me in keeping this OP/thread “current” on the General Discussion forum.
Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Jan 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1
H2O Man Jan 2013 #6
Earth_First Jan 2013 #2
H2O Man Jan 2013 #7
barbtries Jan 2013 #3
H2O Man Jan 2013 #5
barbtries Jan 2013 #10
Earth_First Jan 2013 #9
Agony Jan 2013 #39
Earth_First Jan 2013 #40
suffragette Jan 2013 #4
H2O Man Jan 2013 #8
The Wielding Truth Jan 2013 #11
H2O Man Jan 2013 #30
99Forever Jan 2013 #12
H2O Man Jan 2013 #54
hootinholler Jan 2013 #13
H2O Man Jan 2013 #58
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #14
handmade34 Jan 2013 #15
H2O Man Jan 2013 #60
L0oniX Jan 2013 #16
H2O Man Jan 2013 #61
Agony Jan 2013 #62
HappyMe Jan 2013 #17
SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #18
me b zola Jan 2013 #19
H2O Man Jan 2013 #20
me b zola Jan 2013 #22
H2O Man Jan 2013 #25
ORINOCO Jan 2013 #21
Cleita Jan 2013 #23
rosesaylavee Jan 2013 #24
bigtree Jan 2013 #26
panader0 Jan 2013 #27
CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #28
livetohike Jan 2013 #29
pacalo Jan 2013 #31
CrazyOrangeCat Jan 2013 #32
H2O Man Jan 2013 #34
librechik Jan 2013 #33
Sissyk Jan 2013 #35
Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #36
KoKo Jan 2013 #37
Agony Jan 2013 #38
H2O Man Jan 2013 #42
H2O Man Jan 2013 #43
Agony Jan 2013 #46
annabanana Jan 2013 #41
bleever Jan 2013 #44
spanone Jan 2013 #45
Agony Jan 2013 #47
jsr Jan 2013 #48
raouldukelives Jan 2013 #49
idwiyo Jan 2013 #50
Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #51
H2O Man Jan 2013 #57
Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #64
lunatica Jan 2013 #52
Overseas Jan 2013 #53
H2O Man Jan 2013 #55
Agony Jan 2013 #56
Agony Jan 2013 #59
Irishonly Jan 2013 #63
Agony Jan 2013 #65

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:10 AM

1. Done.

K/R and dialing now.

ETA:

(518) 474-8390:

Press 2 to leave a message or 3 to speak with an assistant.

I left a brief message.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:47 AM

6. Thanks!

Your support -- including the information you provided -- is most appreciated.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:11 AM

2. See you in Albany!

I'll be traveling with the r-CAUSE folks from Rochester...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:47 AM

7. Very good!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:28 AM

3. Peace H2O man.

i am guessing that you welcome calls from non-residents as well?

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:46 AM

5. Definitely yes.

What happens in New York will have a huge impact upon what happens in other states.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:58 AM

10. will call.

i'm afraid the state i live in is beyond hope. it's north carolina where the people just voted in a republican super majority.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:50 AM

9. Watersheds do not discriminate...

Your daily life can be affected by the disasterous practices of the gas industry by living hundreds of miles away.

Not only do watersheds not discriminate; the air quality is similarly affected through well flaring; which is a 24-hour process for 1-4 weeks when a new well is established; with little to no regulation on how clean these flares must be...

This process affects us ALL.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:40 PM

39. new NY proposed venting regs so much for clean air

(b) No gas from any gas well, except such as is produced in a clean-up period not to exceed 48 hours after any completion or stimulation operation or workover , plus that used for the controlled testing of the well's potential in a period not to exceed 24 hours, plus that used in any operational requirements, shall be permitted to escape into the air.


The proposed regulations would allow gas wells to vent raw gas for up to 48 hours after completion, plus "48 hours" after stimulation (fracking), 48 after workovver,plus 24 hours test, plus more escaped gas "used in any operational requirements"
So 48 + 48 + 48+ 24 hours = 168 hours or 7 days of venting raw gas, plus an indeterminate length for "any operational requirements" which could be anything. So much for "green completions."


our stewards of the environment, NYS DEC, in all of their corrupt glory.

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Response to Agony (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:06 PM

40. YEP.

A travesty.

DEC = Don't Expect Conservation

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:31 AM

4. K&R

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Response to suffragette (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:48 AM

8. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:01 AM

11. K&R Thank you, H2O Man for your work in keeping our waters safe.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:18 PM

30. Thanks!

I'm doing my best to put the lessons that Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman taught me. He tasked me with carrying on the struggle after he passed. I do my best, and surely do appreciate your support!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:10 AM

12. K&R

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:06 PM

54. thank you

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 AM

13. I can K&R Too. n/t

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:43 PM

58. Thank you, my Friend.

Very much appreciated.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:31 AM

14. Kick. (nt)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:47 AM

15. k&r

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:05 PM

60. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:49 AM

16. Energy corporations to the US: Muhahahahahahah

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:08 PM

61. "National Sacrifice Areas"

I'm reminded of back in the 1970s, when Onondaga Chief Oren Lyons told an audience in Binghamton that "what is happening to us today, on Indian Territory, will happen to you in the near future, in your communities." Truer words have never been spoken.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:42 PM

62. New York Fracking Proposal Creates "Sacrifice Zones" in Poor Counties

http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/new-york-fracking-proposal-creates-sacrifice-zones-poor-counties.html

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Details of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's plans to permit fracking in the state have emerged, via the New York Times.

Under the proposal as it now stands, fracking would be permitted only in counties in the southwest portion of the state, bordering Pennsylvania—Broome, Chenango, Steuben, and Tioga counties—and only then in towns which agree to allow fracking. Fracking would be banned in Catskill Park, in aquifer areas, and in national designated historic districts.
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But I've got to sympathize with New Yorkers Against Fracking's Sandra Steingraber when she says (quoted by New York Times and Democracy Now!),

Sending a polluting industry into our most economically impoverished communities is a violation of environmental justice. Partitioning our state into frack and no-frack zones base on economic desperation is a shameful idea.
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New York City and Syracuse watersheds are protected... my community? not so much...

Cheers?
Agony

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:01 PM

17. k&r

I don't have the money for bus fare to Albany now, but I will gladly call.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:24 PM

18. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:27 PM

19. Your plea grabbed my attention on the front page


I called and left a message. I would be there if I could, but I will be with there in spirit.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:34 PM

20. Thanks!

I've just stopped home after spending some time going door-to-door handing out the health survey; and after dropping off two "tired-out" college students, it's back to hitting the pavement for me. I've been very favorably impressed with people's interest. And while I'm in that community, it makes me happy to think that the DU community is helping with these phone calls!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:37 PM

22. How could we not?

You have been doing a lot of the heavy lifting for quite a while. We should all have your back.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:43 PM

25. My back

gave out after about another hour of going door-to-door today. (grin) Hence, I'm now heading in an opposite direction, to see one doctor; and tomorrow morning, heading in another one, to see yet another doctor. Yikes! I hope they can patch me up good enough that I can get out on the streets again tomorrow afternoon.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:37 PM

21. Go Back!

 

We need to get back to where we were before the petroleum age, living like Indians and at peace with nature among the creatures of the forest.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:41 PM

23. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:17 PM

24. Done

K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:45 PM

26. got it

thanks for the heads up

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:29 PM

27. K and R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:35 PM

28. K&R for the truth.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:44 PM

29. Will call Cuomo now

from your neighbor in Pennsylfrackingvania

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:37 PM

31. Best wishes for success, H20 Man!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:30 PM

32. Keep kickin'!

Done, and I hope your back eases up tomorrow.

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Response to CrazyOrangeCat (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:06 PM

34. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:41 PM

33. +1

knr

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:11 PM

35. Called

and kick!

Good luck H20 Man!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:16 PM

36. K & R for you who are nearby and can attend

or call...

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:28 PM

37. K&R...Many DU'ers are in favor of this..but, also many are not....

FRAKING...coming to your WATER SUPPLY in YOUR STATE...much SOONER than LATER!

It's ALL OUR PROBLEM...people don't seem to understand how serious this is because it's a Dem President condoning it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:30 PM

38. thirty days of fracking regs ***action item you can do this from home*** Dr. Steingraber's site

if you can't make it to the action in Albany

http://www.thirtydaysoffrackingregs.com

'Tis the Season to Send Your Comments to DEC
About Their Fracking Regulations!

if you can afford it send your comments by USPS

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/NY_Fracking_Regulations#550_Promulgation_and_Enforcement_of_Rules_and_Regulations_General

http://blog.shaleshockmedia.org/2012/12/07/fracking-your-back-yard/

Thanks for your help!

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Response to Agony (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

42. If this works --

I'm not gifted with technology -- the below photo will have Sandra (seated on left) and standing, RFK, Jr., and me .....


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Response to H2O Man (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:21 PM

43. It worked!

Dang! And my kids say I stopped learning when the abicus was invented!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:23 PM

46. and here we are with the NYS DEC changing its mission from regulate to "promote" gas development

as its main mission.
(a)
the fostering, encouragement and promotion
of the development, production and utilization of the natural resources of oil and gas in such a manner as will prevent waste.

This is the state agency that we are told will be looking out for citizens interests and protecting the environment and our health.

You can't make this shit up!

thanks for the picture! (for those that don't know her, Sandra is seated all the way on the left not next to RFK Jr.)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:37 PM

41. I sure can call! And I can get a few others to call.

kickers

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:54 PM

44. K&R.

Changing the world, starting where you are.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:55 PM

45. K&R.....

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:55 AM

47. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:02 AM

48. Done.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:49 AM

49. K&R nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:37 AM

50. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:14 AM

51. I'll call. I can't stand him ; but I'll call. What exactly will he "decide"?

>>There are two important points to be made: first, the Governor should not make any decision until the results of his health-impact study are completed; and second, Governor Cuomo should consider the results of the epidemiology now being conducted in the village of Sidney (as reported upon on the front page of the January 3 edition of that community’s weekly newspaper, The Tri-Town News).>>>

It's a shame we should have to ask the governor to await pertinent evidence before he makes a "decision" but.... there ya' go.

I know Sidney....... used to have a place near Downsville back in the 90's.

Good luck.




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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:42 PM

57. See post # 56

Thanks!

I had a lot of respect for his father. Mario had treated the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy well, even from the time he served under Gov. Carey. I had the opportunity to meet with him a couple of times on burial protection issues .... and met his personal attorney/ best friend in the Governor's office.

But the son is cut from a very different cloth. I know that he was considered a good operative for his father back then, but I always found him to be cold, calculating, and terribly ambitious. Andrew has had a "secret" committee working on his planned 2016 presidential bid for at least two years. In communications with his office (and with a family member), I've noted that unless he plans to run as a "Dick Cheney Democrat," he needs to side with the pro-environment people of the state. But he's as stubborn as he is ruthless -- and he is the first governor in our state's history who has refused to meet with the Iroquois' Grand Council of Chiefs. I think that says a lot about what type of human beuing he is.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:44 PM

64. I just emailed him.

I don't think it's just us.

For me, he puts the "creep" in "creepy".

In some respects he's what's wrong with the party: an increasing tilt toward all things corporate. You see it here and also on issues relating to schools/unions, etc. There's big $$ to consider there as well... and believe me, he's considering it.

But what's really creepy is his single-minded ambition. Ten years ago he was something of a joke in NYS politics as he was a perennial candidate for just about ANYTHING. Now that he's been sufficiently persistent and gained what once seemed the ultimate prize, the governorship,he's passed the simply narcissistic and is entering into the realm of megalomania. Even his personal relationships seem to be the consequence of advice from political consultants.

Yeah. Really, really creeeeepy.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:18 AM

52. kick'd and rec'd

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:40 AM

53. K&R.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:02 PM

55. .........

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:32 PM

56. New Yorkers Against Fracking!

http://nyagainstfracking.org/join-us-for-a-rally-to-stop-fracking-in-ny-at-governor-cuomos-state-of-the-state-address/

Join Us for a Rally to Stop Fracking in NY at Governor Cuomo’s State of the State Address

(Scroll down for Bus and Transportation information)

The New Yorkers Against Fracking coalition is calling on all New Yorkers to come to Albany for a rally to keep fracking out of our beloved state. We will take our message right to the Governor as we gather outside the annual State of the State Address, delivered by Andrew Cuomo.

We’ve never needed your voices more than now. On November 29th, the Department of Environmental Conservation took the reckless step of releasing draft rules and regulations that would sanction the process of fracking in New York State, thus setting the clock ticking on a decision-making process that, absent our intervention, could lead to permits in early 2013. Never mind that the environmental impact statement (sGEIS) that is supposed to serve as a scientific foundation of those regulations has not been released to the public. Never mind that the unfinished health “review” that is supposed to sit at the heart of the sGEIS is shrouded in secrecy. Never mind that the work of the health study is being carried out by three outside experts who are contracted for a mere 25 hours–three days–of their time. Never mind that Governor Cuomo said NO to New York’s own physicians and scientists who have demanded a transparent, comprehensive health impact assessment.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:35 PM

59. Shale plays near you

if you live in one of these

you could have one of these... in NYS as close as 500ft from your house.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:45 PM

63. Just saw this

Will do it tomorrow.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:33 PM

65. Fracking opponents, backers rally in Albany

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Fracking-opponents-backers-rally-in-Albany/dzoO16sh4USh6ubS2i3UGA.cspx

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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - More than a thousand protesters chanting "Ban Fracking Now!" are lining downtown Albany's Empire State Plaza concourse where lawmakers pass on their way to Gov. Andrew Cuomo's State of the State speech.

The protesters vastly outnumber landowners and business people who have also turned out to voice their support for natural gas development, walking through the concourse carrying "Friends of Natural Gas NY" placards.

Cuomo is weighing whether to allow shale gas drilling using high-volume hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, as state regulators near completion of a 4 ½-year environmental review. A Cuomo aide told an Albany radio station Wednesday morning that Cuomo won't specifically address fracking in his speech but will discuss broader energy issues.

Among the anti-fracking protesters in Albany are folk singer Pete Seeger and singer-songwriter Natalie Merchant.
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