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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:01 AM

Mother Jones analysis of Naomi Wolf's Occupy tinfoil hattery

Once an alarmist, always an alarmist - Her credibility has been shot ever since she hooked up with Alex Jones
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That has provided plenty of fodder for speculation. Take the Guardian's Naomi Wolf, who in November 2011 advanced the unfounded theory that federal officials had coordinated the raids on Occupy encampments across the country with local authorities, and with congressional blessing (a conclusion quickly debunked by Alternet's Joshua Holland). The new FBI documents, Wolf wrote last month, "show a nationwide meta-plot unfolding in city after city in an Orwellian world" and a "terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council."

In fact, the DSAC, "a strategic partnership between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the private sector," is mentioned in just one unredacted document, an unremarkable report compiled by the FBI and DHS about Occupy's West Coast port shutdown plans in December 2011. Most of the other documents are routine FBI memos focusing on the potential for criminal activity during protests, cyberattacks from Anonymous, reports of suspicious mail, and a threat to shoot a police officer allegedly made by Occupy protesters.

Last week, Salon's Natasha Lennard approvingly cited Wolf's column, adding that DSAC's involvement was not only Orwellian but "even verges on the Kafkaesque." But Lennard's assertion that the FBI documents highlighted the "coordination between federal agencies, local police departments, fusion centers and hired corporate security firms in surveying, policing and ultimately cracking down on Occupy encampments and days of action" is also speculative. While the documents show that the FBI communicated with these groups, none of the documents reveal efforts by federal law enforcement to disband the camps.

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But those communications are a far cry from Wolf's contention that the "documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall ...was coordinated with the big banks themselves" and "show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens." Big banks are mentioned by name in just two documents; one notes that Anonymous had harassed the CEOs of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase with information publicly available on the internet, while another makes a passing reference to small protests at a Bank of America and Wells Fargo in Tampa.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/occupy-fbi-documents-naomi-wolf

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Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 OP
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UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #2
Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #3
gollygee Jan 2013 #13
SidDithers Jan 2013 #4
gollygee Jan 2013 #14
BWC Jan 2013 #50
gollygee Jan 2013 #51
BWC Jan 2013 #59
gollygee Jan 2013 #66
Jazzgirl Jan 2013 #53
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #76
bluesbassman Jan 2013 #94
Octafish Jan 2013 #5
ProSense Jan 2013 #7
SidDithers Jan 2013 #8
Octafish Jan 2013 #10
SidDithers Jan 2013 #11
Octafish Jan 2013 #15
zappaman Jan 2013 #34
Octafish Jan 2013 #40
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Octafish Jan 2013 #9
Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #30
Octafish Jan 2013 #32
randome Jan 2013 #44
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Octafish Jan 2013 #16
Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #28
zappaman Jan 2013 #31
Octafish Jan 2013 #36
zappaman Jan 2013 #37
Octafish Jan 2013 #39
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H2O Man Jan 2013 #19
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H2O Man Jan 2013 #38
HangOnKids Jan 2013 #47
Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2013 #84
Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #55
Octafish Jan 2013 #63
Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #68
Octafish Jan 2013 #72
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zappaman Jan 2013 #70
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zappaman Jan 2013 #80
ProSense Jan 2013 #6
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #17
Enrique Jan 2013 #20
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #25
randome Jan 2013 #26
Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #27
Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #29
SidDithers Jan 2013 #33
zappaman Jan 2013 #35
HangOnKids Jan 2013 #48
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:25 AM

1. Naomi (cry) Wolf ? nt

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:00 AM

2. She's a kook.

 

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:02 AM

3. I thought she was heralded by a lot of people on DU

am I wrong?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:32 AM

13. I like some of the things she's written quite a bit

Mainly The End of America. But that doesn't mean she's infallible, or that she isn't getting out of touch, particularly if she's working with Alex Jones these days.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:04 AM

4. She gets instant, undeserved credibility...

because she's so often confused with Naomi Klein.

DUers get them mixed up all the time. Wolf is the one that spoke out in support of Ron Paul in 2007.

LOL: Case in point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022147081#post9

You're late to the party, Trumad.

The Hate is on to Naomi Klein, now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022146890




Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:34 AM

14. I liked The End of America

but she's no Naomi Klein. I loved loved loved The Shock Doctrine.

But yeah people do confuse them.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:42 PM

50. Naomi Klein is the height of hypocrisy and mendacity

 

I can't stand people who stand on their anti-capitalism soapboxes while growing wealthy on the sales of their books, DVD,s etc. It really is quite appalling. Plus her outright lies in the Shock Doctrine and misquoting was disgraceful..

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Response to BWC (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:46 PM

51. She isn't "anti-capitalism." She is anti a specific style of capitalism.

I'm a bit skeptical of your take of the book.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:03 PM

59. Good vs Bad capitalism

 

To Klein there's two types of capitalism, good capitalism and bad capitalism. What's good capitalism? Why whatever she does to allow herself to become wealthy and influential. What's bad you ask? Any industry she disapproves of.

Look one can criticize capitalism, just walk the walk. And she flat out lied about Friedman and Chile for example..

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Response to BWC (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:05 PM

66. There are different economic schools

Chicago School and Keynesian School. You can become wealthy and influential following either. What's bad? Read the book, or read up on those two schools of economics.

You're going to have to get into more detail about your claims that she lied. I have a feeling you are a fan of the school of economics she writes about and that's why you don't like her.

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Response to BWC (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:48 PM

53. What outright lies?

And misquotes?

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Response to Jazzgirl (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:14 PM

76. Crickets. Unsurprisingly. n/t

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:06 AM

5. First they came for Glenn Greenwald...

Last weekend they came for Matt Taibbi.

Now it's time for Naomi Wolf.

Just because she was interviewed by Alex Jones?

Gee. Maybe she decided to grant an interview with weird Al because the corporate stooges at ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutoworks have no room on the schedule for someone who tells the truth?

FWIW: The Feds and Big Banks worked together to spy and disrupt OWS.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:19 AM

7. That entire report is about

"The Feds and Big Banks worked together to spy and disrupt OWS."

....monitoring, it has nothing to do with "violent" crackdowns coordinated with big banks.

Oh, and the title of the document is: "FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring"

Wolf is a nut!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:21 AM

8. Octafish can't keep his Naomi's straight...

he thinks Wolf is Klein.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:28 AM

10. Laugh all you want sid. Where do you contribute even once to what we know about banksters?

Show me even ONE post where you criticize Wall Street and their crooks in Washington.

There isn't one, is there siddithers?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:29 AM

11. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:38 AM

15. Not. One. Post. siddithers.

Using GOOGLE or going by memory of Naomi Klein or Naomi Wolf:

No where on DU do you criticize the banksters or their crooks in Washington, siddithers.

You do criticize other DUers for what they write, however.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:18 PM

40. Tag Team

I like you bringing up the threats, zappaman.

My good friends have noticed.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:19 PM

42. You good friends have noticed threats?

Ummmm...ok...where exactly have I threatened you, friend?

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:08 AM

18. Cool story, bro

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x103794

SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:40 AM Response to Reply #14 26. Why does the inability to project military power...

Make you a second rate country? Why are you worried that "you soon will have a nation that can intimidate no one"? Interesting choices of words.

I'm just wondering why, maybe, being solely a member of the world of nations, as opposed to the supposed leader of the free world, would be such a bad thing?

Sid

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:17 AM

21. Cool story bro...

I don't like Obama. He lied to me. I think he's a lying Republican.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1759633

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:20 AM

22. Hey, I give you credit for actually saying something back then.

 

When did you turn into a bot?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:54 AM

23. That was giving me credit?...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:41 PM

89. "A lying republicon" .. At least

that stupid ignorant hate gotten hidden by the jury.

good to know .. thanks Sid Dithers

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:19 PM

41. Hmm... guess I'll try in this thread

Hi Sid, what's your opinion of Naomi Klein?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:24 PM

82. I didn't think much of her when we were at UofT together...

she seemed to be about self-promotion back then. Guess it worked out for her OK.

She was a writer, then editor of The Varsity. Heard her speak a few times.

I remember she used to be a bit of drinker. But that was twenty three years ago.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #82)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:35 PM

83. Huh...

Interesting...

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:27 AM

9. Those are the government documents which prove Wolf's point.

The banks and feds were coordinated in their work to spy (on) and disrupt OWS.

Sorry if I don't go along with the ride, ProSense. Through her writings, Wolf works to restore justice to America.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:53 PM

30. except the documents don't support her conclusions

the bulk of her arguments were embellishments she pulled out of her ass

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:06 PM

32. Did you go to the documents?

If so, you must've missed:



Documents released show coordination between the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and corporate America. They include a report by the Domestic Security Alliance Council (DSAC), described by the federal government as “a strategic partnership between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the private sector,” discussing the OWS protests at the West Coast ports to “raise awareness concerning this type of criminal activity.” The DSAC report shows the nature of secret collaboration between American intelligence agencies and their corporate clients - the document contains a “handling notice” that the information is “meant for use primarily within the corporate security community. Such messages shall not be released in either written or oral form to the media, the general public or other personnel…” (The DSAC document was also obtained by the Northern California ACLU which has sought local FBI surveillance files.)

http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html#documents



Which are, exactly, Naomi Wolf's contentions.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:24 PM

44. 'Secret collaboration'? When all was available via FOI requests?

Naomi Wolfe's contention was that LE conspired to harm OWS, when the documents show simple coordination between government agencies and local LE.

Nothing nefarious there.

OWS had no leaders so there was no one to address issues of security so it makes sense that LE would want to know what their plans were.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:29 AM

12. Hey, the statists don't like it.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:40 AM

16. They hate Alex Jones because he says 9-11 was an inside job.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:50 PM

28. and he's a race-baiting idol of the Paulites, and a birther

and he's been going around these past few weeks try iong to spread the asinine theory that Obama staged Sandy Hook to come and take all o' yer guns away!!!!

He's a rightwing, lying piece of shit

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:04 PM

31. Oh, my friend...

Now you are defending Alex Jones?
Sad...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:10 PM

36. Show me where I ''defend Alex Jones'', zappaman.

Otherwise, it's typical to see you on you diligent mini-minder dude duties.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:11 PM

37. What's your opinion of Alex Jones, my friend?

Maybe you can do it without being insulting?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:17 PM

39. I don't have one, zappaman.

I do know he gives voice to people who do not get interviewed by Corporate McPravda.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:21 PM

43. Really?

No opinion at all?
Do you think he is a valid journalist doing the world a service by his interviews as well as his views?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:11 AM

19. Right.

The best measure of the importance of her message is the personal attacks being made on her.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:03 AM

24. So...people should shut up and just believe what we're told, right?

Sheesh!

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Response to randome (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:15 PM

38. A pitiful response.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:37 PM

47. Exactly!

She is drawing quite the mob! She is on to something for sure.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:53 PM

84. if we are drawing conclutions based on that criteria

then by what i read on DU the republicans has to REALLY REALLY be onto something >.>

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:55 PM

55. Then they came for Glenn Beck

something something Nazis
Derp!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #55)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:05 PM

63. Here's something for you, Adenoid_Hynkel: NAZIs were given safe haven in USA after World War II.

Written by Eric Lichtblau for The New York Times:



Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says

Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
November 13, 2010

WASHINGTON — A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad.

The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades.

It describes the government’s posthumous pursuit of Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz, part of whose scalp was kept in a Justice Department official’s drawer; the vigilante killing of a former Waffen SS soldier in New Jersey; and the government’s mistaken identification of the Treblinka concentration camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.

The report catalogs both the successes and failures of the band of lawyers, historians and investigators at the Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations, which was created in 1979 to deport Nazis.

Perhaps the report’s most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency’s involvement with Nazi émigrés. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.’s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html



I've written about what that means. For example:

Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411

I don't recall reading what you have to say about the Nazis, so I look forward to reading what you have to write on the subject, especially as to how the Nazis relate to the present day United States.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:07 PM

68. Oh, fer fuck's sake

am I arguing with Glenn Beck here?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #68)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:11 PM

72. Instead of the insults, why not post something about what I wrote?

Otherwise, you are making an excellent case for why ignorance is not bliss.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #72)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:13 PM

74. because it's irrelevant to the discussion

and not worth going off in a tangent over

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #74)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:16 PM

79. So, you can smear me, but I can't post facts to make a contention.

Says a lot about you, Adenoid_Hynkel.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:18 PM

81. Smear you?

and how, pray tell, was I doing that?

and mocking your invoking of the Nazi card is not an example

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:26 PM

86. Good point. You are more like Glenn Beck than me.

He tells people he disagrees with to shut up, too.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #86)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:30 PM

87. Can you point to a post where you were asked to "shut up"?

Thanks in advance!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #90)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:49 PM

92. Wow!

Lots of insults!
And you can't back up your accusations!

You are disappointing, old chum.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:08 PM

70. Nazis?

What does that have to do with the OP?
Remember this song, my friend?
NSFW

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Response to zappaman (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:15 PM

77. Are you my new personal minder dude, zappaman?

PS: I've mentioned it before to you, zappaman: There is nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:18 PM

80. You are all over the map today, my friend

The OP is about Naomi Wolf's analysis of OFW.
Not nazis.
Not JFK.

I know you are excited about tonight's national championship, but try to stay on topic!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

17. Naomi Wolf used to say that mailbox stickers meant who was going to be rounded up and who wasn't...

 

Anything she says is automatically bullshit.

I believe the opposite of everything the kooks believe. It's a good method for not being wrong.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:12 AM

20. hmm... Alex Jones, Mother Jones

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:46 PM

25. Sorry Adeniod, Occupy is neither dead nor free from Federal-level monitoring. Here:

 

Cop strongly implies Occupy presence means increased terrorism threat; Federal agents at parade

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022137604

Do you know where a regular cop gets that crap? Straight from the DHS. In LA, there is a special order 11 making LAPD a tentacle of DHS. I've seen the Lt. who is responsible for it at one LAPD attack upon a peaceful Occupy action, where they brought a less-lethal shotgun to our chili-eating party. iWatch says "see something, say something (to police so they can funnel it up through fusion centers to DHS).

http://stoplapdspying.org/

http://lapdonline.org/iwatchla

http://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/news_view/47770

Los Angeles: At a news conference this morning, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and others gathered at the Port of Los Angeles, the nation's largest port, where they announced increased new training and security measures and the official launch of the combined national and local community terrorism reporting program If You See Something, Say Something™ go to iWATCHLA.org.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:50 PM

26. 'Monitoring' versus 'coordinated raids'. You're confusing two different things.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:53 PM

27. What is she doing with Alex Jones?

If she is working with him, that is quite disappointing as she has a track record of excellent work.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:51 PM

29. and Michael Savage

she jumped the shark long ago

Remember, her supposedly amazing discovery about Occupy last year was based on nothing more than an anonymously-sourced story from the rightwing the Examiner.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:06 PM

33. Yup. Joshua Holland exposed her pretty good...

His series of blog posts was excellent.

Sid

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:08 PM

35. Fucking Savage?!?!!

Seriously?
I hate that fuck more than Rush and Hannity combined.
How is she working with him?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:38 PM

48. I think your alert of Octafish just got laughed off the board

LOVE IT!

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:08 PM

71. what alert?

Now you're just making shit up

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:13 PM

75. Never Mind!

LOL!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:47 PM

91. I Served On A Jury For A Post Of Octa"s That Had Been Alerted On

The language used in the alert sounded a lot like your posts in this thread. If it wasn't your alert, sorry, but there was an alert I am not making shit up.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:25 PM

45. Wow, this looks like another coordinated effort to silence, or at least muffle, another strong voice

 

On the left.

For your information, Wolf didn't "hook up" with Alex Jones, she did what, a total of three interviews with the man. Thousands of politicians, pundits and authors have done the same, are they all now somehow tainted as well, not credible?

Sorry, but I value the opinion of somebody like Wolf much more than some anonymous political chatboard poster.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:29 PM

46. No, her credibility is shot because of what she writes.

Contending that communications between various LE agencies amounts to trying to 'take down' OWS is alarmist bullshit.

OWS had no leaders so no one was available to speak for them. It makes sense for LE to want an idea of what they were doing.

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Response to randome (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:51 PM

54. Really? I find what she writes,

 

Books like The Shock Doctrine and The Beauty Myth to be quite credible.

As far as OWS goes, umm, your MoJo article even mentions how there was cross communication between local law enforcement, the FBI, and DHS among others.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:59 PM

56. That's Klein.. not Wolf.. the subject of this thread is Wolf

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:04 PM

61. My bad, Wolf wrote The Beauty Myth, but not Shock Doctrine, you're right

 

Time for another cup of coffee.

However Wolf also wrote another fine book, The End of America. She's still more credible than some anonymous internet poster.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:00 PM

58. The Shock Doctrine is Naomi KLEIN

I swear, half the reason people are buying this Wolf nonsense is that they can't keep their Naomis straight

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:04 PM

62. Please check the post above yours,

 

And stop having a cow.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:04 PM

60. No one disagrees there was cross-communication.

But she takes that further and says there were coordinated plans to destroy OWS. That's not what the FOI documents show.

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Response to randome (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:06 PM

67. Well, there are lots of things that FOI documents don't show,

 

In fact there are a raft of illegalities that went on during the protests of the '60's that didn't come to light for years and decades.

So please, don't tell me to trust the usual experts and such, they have been discredited time and again.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:57 PM

85. Trust no one. Including Wolf.

But I'll continue to make assumptions and judgments based on what I know.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:59 PM

57. Wolf praised Jones as "a brave truth teller"

Despite all of his birtherism, race baiting and black helicopter militia lunacy.

She's an irresponsible hack

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:08 PM

69. Lots of people mouth polite nothings when they are being interviewed,

 

Hell, even Obama calls Boehner a fine fellow, do you think he is now somehow compromised?

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Response to MadHound (Reply #69)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:12 PM

73. big difference in being cordial with an opposing party you have to work with

vs. Wolf's repeated visits to Jones' and Savage's whackjob programs to give the hosts a tongue bath.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:38 PM

49. Wow.

Our little group of corporate defenders *really* wants to take her down. They find this one threatening, it seems.

How predictable, the Third Way swarm.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:48 PM

52. I certainly think the third way might be a better way, but I'm not a Wolfe hater, tho I do

often confuse her with NK. Still, I think it's getting harder and harder to sift through what is handed to us as democracy & throw out tinfoil...facts are often stranger than fiction. Now, Alex Jones, OTOH is a tough sell, he's raking in the dough and mostly on BS.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:05 PM

65. or maybe we just think our side should base arguments on facts, and believe credibility is important

rather than the speculation, distortions and gut feelings of the Alex Jones crowd.

Wolf isn't doing Occupy any favors by promoting this paranoia.

Just as her round of nonsense last year turned out to be B.S. based on the anonymously-sourced 'journalism' of the rightwing rag the Examiner, this one's also a load of crap.

And, seriously, you're going to throw Mother Jones under the bus as a corporate defender for challenging Wolf?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:05 PM

64. Go post on Free Republic. That's a good place for the far right to post!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:16 PM

78. Wolf has more in common with Freepers than Mother Jones

She plays to their paranoid black helicopter fantasies, and deals in speculation and hunches rather than facts.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:36 PM

88. I'll raise another tinnfoiy point --

One might begin to wonder if certain people overstate the surveilllence. etc., in order to tamp down enthusiastic participation.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:18 AM

95. fernturn001

is awesome.

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