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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:19 AM

If the neo-cons hate Hagel

then appoint him.

That is all.

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Reply If the neo-cons hate Hagel (Original post)
malaise Jan 2013 OP
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
malaise Jan 2013 #3
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5
malaise Jan 2013 #6
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
malaise Jan 2013 #9
Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #11
malaise Jan 2013 #13
Jennicut Jan 2013 #22
Cosmocat Jan 2013 #4
BainsBane Jan 2013 #2
Bucky Jan 2013 #7
louis c Jan 2013 #10
Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #14
louis c Jan 2013 #23
amandabeech Jan 2013 #12
harmonicon Jan 2013 #15
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #27
PBass Jan 2013 #16
spanone Jan 2013 #17
malaise Jan 2013 #19
sellitman Jan 2013 #18
uponit7771 Jan 2013 #25
handmade34 Jan 2013 #20
BlueMTexpat Jan 2013 #21
markpkessinger Jan 2013 #24
H2O Man Jan 2013 #26

Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:22 AM

1. It doesn't matter who Obama wants, they hated Rice too

Obama could appoint Rumsferatu and the neocons would hate him.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:24 AM

3. You have a point

and of course Hagel did not endorse McGramps in 2008 and hated eventually hated Bushco's wars.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:29 AM

5. The last thing the necons want to talk about is Dick and Dubya's excellent misadventures

Hagel is great for that because he makes them defend the wars, something they feel they have to but know is a losing game in today's environment.

On the other hand he's pretty much a wingnut on most subjects other than unnecessary war.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:32 AM

6. They are all hawks from my perspective

but at least Hagel is not shouting bomb bomb bomb Iran o anywhere else fo that matter

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:35 AM

8. So you're saying Hagel is a stealth hawk?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:38 AM

9. Good one- DUzy

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:48 AM

11. Hagel voted for the Iraq war.

So of course he is a hawk, he's a Republican. Folks here are claiming that he is some anti war peace maven, that is a huge lie. But they have to lie, promoting a Republican with the truth is too harsh it sounds like this 'well, he voted for the invasion of a nation that did nothing to us because GW Bush asked him to, he attacked Democratic nominees in anyway he could, including vicious, bigoted personal attacks and declarations that being gay inhibits a person's ability to serve the US, and best of all, he's a lifelong Republican who is still a Republican!'

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:50 AM

13. So did Hillary Clinton n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:12 AM

22. And Biden. And Kerry. And countless other Dems.

That we have in time, forgiven. Or at least some of us have. Hagel is being picked because he has a lot of experience and he is also good friends with Kerry and Biden.

I am concerned with his comments against the Clinton appointee but there are several politicians that held backward views toward gay rights and have changed their views today. I consider Obama's view on gay rights as not so good in 2008. And Biden was not good back in the 90's either and he pretty much pushed Obama to come out for gay marriage.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:28 AM

4. Right

The ONLY reason they are not finding some BS reason to go after Kerry is that the think it opens the door for Brown again.

ALL politics for these jaggoffs, flat out.

Graham calling Hagel and "in your face" pick.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:24 AM

2. I kind of feel that way myself

Hagel must have something going for him, since they hate him so much. Anyway. it's Obama's choice.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:35 AM

7. If the neocons hate ketsup on their scrambled eggs...

same logic.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:58 AM

10. I like Hagel

I disagree with his homophobic statement 15 years ago, but he retracted that and apologized. Isn't that enough?

As for his position on Israel, I kinda agree. Although he made a reference to the Israeli lobby as the "Jewish" lobby, which certainly pisses off a lot of people (including me), that remark happens a lot. After all, Israel does refer to itself as a "Jewish State".

However, American interests come first, before Canada, England, Australia or even Israel. I don't care how much we support our allies, sometimes our interests don't coincide, and the United States has to make it's own foreign policy.

I support Chuck Hagel

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Response to louis c (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:01 AM

14. Your privilge is showing. Hagel did not just make a homophobic statement, he discriminated

against Hormel, the bigoted statement was just him listing the reasons he was discriminating against Hormel and attempting to deny him the appointment.
Funny that you can not recognize job discrimination even when the discriminating party is shouting bigoted words openly in the press....

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:07 PM

23. When does forgiveness start for you?

Many gay rights groups have accepted Hagel's apology. The most supportive President of gay rights in history supports him.

I like to judge my position by the company they keep. Barack Obama's for Hagel and Mitch McConnell is not. That says something to me.

Hagel has 3 purple hearts and is a combat veteran. He said something stupid 15 years ago. He apologized.

I deal with people saying stupid things to each other at work all the time. Apologies and discipline notices seem to do the trick. After 15 years, we don't revisit the offense (actually, after 18 months, in most cases).

If, in the mean time, he or she has demonstrated that the behavior has been corrected, they can be promoted to a better position, if all other qualifications are met.

Hagel meets that criteria for me.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:48 AM

12. Morning Joe showed a list of 5 R senators who won't vote for Hagel.

Then Chuckie Todd volunteered that he had a list of 10 Dems who wouldn't vote for Hagel. According to Todd, the Senators are mostly from the North East.

Get this--no discussion of the GLBT issue outright, but a newspaper headline referring to the GLBT issue. I'm assuming that Mika was the one who insisted on this.

Interesting am with Joe Scar.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:48 AM

15. I think you missed the point.

If Obama wanted to appoint ANYONE, even if it were John Boehner, Republicans would be up in arms!! The point is, that ANYONE picked by Obama is immediately hated.

Know something else? I just looked on Wikipedia, and it turns out that the president is black.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:33 PM

27. OMG, Obama's BLACK?

Howcome nobody told me?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:51 AM

16. Not to argue, but Democrats need to set the agenda and run with it.

It's absolutely stupid when Right Wingers support issues just because "that's gonna drive those liberals crazy!!!!!" Lets please not be as dumb as those people are.

Also, appointing Hagel sends the message that Dems don't have qualified people available (when we absolutely do). For years, Republicans ran campaigns on the premise that the Democrats are weak on national security. Appointing Hagel is a step backwards that helps support this false premise.

The Hagel appointment is a mistake, IMO.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:52 AM

17. but they love kerry, who in 2004 was a traitor, according to them....here's my take.

fuck them.

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Response to spanone (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:02 AM

19. +1,000

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:57 AM

18. Fuck Hagel

He is a homophobe Republican who voted to impeach President Bill Clinton.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:10 PM

25. hmmmmm, something to consider...went with the crowd when it was obvious not to

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:09 AM

20. I have said many times over the past years

that Chuck Hagel was the last Republican that I respected... he's ok in my book

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:12 AM

21. I'm not really a Hagel fan,

but your logic has a lot going for it.

Personally, I wish that the Prez would appoint a Dem, rather than ANY Repub.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:09 PM

24. Appoint Hagel, and reinforce the wrong stereotype...

... that only Republicans can handle defense. Stupid, short-sighted move.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:13 PM

26. Valid point.

Recommended.

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