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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:10 AM

I know and have known many people who had CCW

and without exception, they were carrying to compensate for their own insecurities.

I actually used to date a much younger girl, who had a CCW. I made this statement to her.

She asked me to clarify, expecting me to exempt her from it. I said, again, EVERYONE including her.

As a matter of fact, she was probably one of the worst based on the paranoid fantasies of her previous boyfriend. It was so sad - she didn't like standing in a mall for any amount of time, and it strongly affected an innocent choice of seating. She was so paranoid that it seriously affected her daily life. But, of course, she couldn't see the ignorance.

I asked her once about her CCW, she told me that she felt the need to protect herself and others. She never saw the hypocrisy of her beliefs.

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Reply I know and have known many people who had CCW (Original post)
NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 OP
Skittles Jan 2013 #1
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #15
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2013 #29
Skittles Jan 2013 #30
Speck Tater Jan 2013 #3
overthehillvet Jan 2013 #4
Skittles Jan 2013 #13
billh58 Jan 2013 #24
Lugnut Jan 2013 #5
billh58 Jan 2013 #27
patrice Jan 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #7
patrice Jan 2013 #8
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #14
patrice Jan 2013 #16
Recursion Jan 2013 #12
Bonobo Jan 2013 #9
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #25
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #10
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #11
Lex Jan 2013 #18
Robb Jan 2013 #20
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #21
dionysus Jan 2013 #22
slackmaster Jan 2013 #17
NCTraveler Jan 2013 #19
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #23
NCTraveler Jan 2013 #26
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #28

Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:14 AM

1. are you sure it wasn't to protect herself from you?

just asking

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:34 AM

15. +1,000,000,000,000 n/t

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:58 PM

31. Skittles, from DOWNTOWN, for the WIN!

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:26 AM

2. You know

Seating is not an innocent choice if somebody is really out to get you.

I had that situation. I could very well have qualified. It was another time. And I must say, at least my Home state still remains among the toughest to get them. As it should be. A small group of people honestly qualify for them. Think retired Leo's, judges, and a few bakers dozen who have gotten honest to goodness threats.

Between the training and federal officials being as stark as you can get as to what it means, I chose not to.

That said, for many years...until the Boy Scouts were either dead or in jail for the rest of their natural lives, I still thought about those not so innocent seating arrangements.

I wish states did not relax ccw requirements and were as blunt as those gentlemen were, to be honest.

Oh and due to current developments I still have a tactical awareness of my surroundings. I have had to use that twice outside of my work as a medic. Once outside a movie theater when the cops did a hot stop...involving shotguns oh, over twenty years ago. The other recently when we had weapon discharges outside my window. As a medic it was an every call awareness.

I have, I admit, I over reacted once...I avoid fireworks for that reason. The over reaction involved going flat on the ground. Opps, training and way too many shoot outs took over.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:06 PM

29. WTF?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:46 PM

30. OMG STOP IT NADIN

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:27 AM

3. I have made similar observations.

 

Gun people, in my humble opinion, are uniformly frightened, insecure people. As I've mentioned before on this forum, I've had the courage to walk out into the real world every day for 67 years unarmed. Gun people lack that courage. They cower in fear behind their guns.

Just my opinion, of course.

On Edit: With the exception, of course, of people whose work puts them in harm's way. They are frightened too, but with good reason. Their fear is justified.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:34 AM

4. I read this and laughed.

 

I have a CCW issued in California. They do not give them away for no reason in this state.

I have good reasons for carrying a concealed weapon and do so daily. But you know all that because you know everything about everyone who has a CCW....

What a joke. This has to be the perfect definition of arrogance.

Back to cleaning my 40.....

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Response to overthehillvet (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:14 AM

13. LOL

try not to tremble as you clean

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Response to overthehillvet (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:00 PM

24. So what else do you conceal

from people? Just asking...

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:39 AM

5. My husband has a CCW permit.

He never carries a loaded concealed weapon unless he's out in the woods behind our house on his ATV. There's a coyote den not far out back and a lot of bears rambling around. He carries his gun for his own protection just in case he needs it. It's not complicated.

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Response to Lugnut (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:03 PM

27. He needs to conceal his gun

from coyotes and bears?

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:45 AM

6. People don't accept the fact that their own individual minds create a lot of the world they live in.

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Response to patrice (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:53 AM

7. Patrice the problem with ccws is not paranoia, and it is.

There are a few people in every state that should be granted them.

Women who were in an abusive relationship where threats to life were issues.
Judges
Retired officers
Citizens who have witnessed a major crime, with people who might want to silence them.

I know it's easy to say you create your own reality. But there are real people out there who should.

The problem is that most states have watered requirements to the point you find them in the box of cracker jacks. (Yes Florida I am looking at you).

Of course Florida would not review their permits. States with more restrictive conditions, with the exception of LEOs, who still have to qualify t the range, are reviewed every so many years and denied or granted again after extensive training.

We do not have national standards, given some in Congress want them to be portable. A minuscule group of people, they should...we need national standards to grant them as well.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:15 AM

8. I should footnote everything I say with my assumptions about how there are variations that

range from strongly consistent with whatever I'm referring to to weakly consistent with whatever I am referring to, with most people closer to the 50:50 mix for whatever, so yes indeed there are people living lives that they did not evoke from reality, that's the way things are, and others living lives that they almost completely fabricated out of anything the presented itself. Most people, it's a mix of the two tendencies, so they have choices, whether it's comfortable to admit them or not.

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:31 AM

14. I just pointed a reality

IMO there are way too many people, even some here on DU who tell us they do, that should not.

First rule of concealed...only your significant other knows.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:36 AM

16. Yes, and in so doing you demonstrate more respect for the principle of carrying weapons than those

who want to say all of it is the same; no difference in those who carry is BS there's critical differences in gun owners.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:12 AM

12. So, I agree, but the problem was this

back when there was discretion on the part of law enforcement, that translated into "you don't look WASPy enough to own a gun". And that actually was a problem, particularly in Florida.

Alan Grayson, incidentally, is with you on wanting to standardize CCW rules nationwide.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:36 AM

9. Cweedence! I love Cweedence!

Cweedence Cweahwater Wevival!~

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:02 PM

25. We found your car, Mr. Lebowski.

Wouldn't hold out for the tape deck though.

Or the Creedence.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:13 AM

10. Concealed carry is fine. Just keep them out of my stores, parks, restaurants, etc...

 

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:08 AM

11. What if a large part of the reason I carry is to get others' undergarments in a twist?

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:37 AM

18. Then you shouldn't let people control your actions

so much.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:42 AM

20. "All I have to do is show up and soak in the disdain of others."

You said it, not me.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:43 AM

21. You're so awesome.

I wish I was just like you.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:55 AM

22. so you carry, in large part, just to be a douche by making pople uncomfortable? hooookay....

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:36 AM

17. My accountant got one after being robbed by a street punk

 

He has never had to draw it. The training he got in order to qualify for the permit taught him how to use body language and attitude to scare them off.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:40 AM

19. Maybe she was raped in high school or college...

and her assaulter was still on the loose. Those types of things can have a lifelong effect on a woman.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:57 AM

23. Yeah, I was going to say ...

This is a really bad example. How can someone really know if she was overreacting to even the latest ex-boyfriend? You just don't know what else has happened in someone's life.

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Response to LisaLynne (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:02 PM

26. I am not big on guns.....

but the underlying cause of her (perceived)paranoia can be endless.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:05 PM

28. Right, exactly.

Not commenting on the need for a gun, but that she may have had very acute reasons to be afraid.

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