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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:55 PM

Armed Hate Crime Victim Decides Not to Shoot Attacker

Earlier this week, a 24-year-old Tampa-area resident named Cameron Mohammed was walking with his girlfriend into Walmart at around 3 a.m. when the two were approached from behind by a 25-year-old named Daniel Quinnell. Quinnell allegedly yelled racial epithets at the two, then fired 20 shots at Mohammed with a pellet gun pictured above striking him multiple times in the head and neck. Mohammed was armed, too but with a real .45 caliber pistol. He chose not to shoot.

"I don't know. I just couldn't do it," Mohammed said, recovering at his Tampa home two days after the attack. "I couldn't blow this guy away for something he could change later in life. I'm not going to decide this man's fate."

The story is a bizarre, hard-to-reconcile mixture of both right and wrong. The genesis of the attack is something very, very far into the "wrong" column, and when coupled with the recent death of Sunando Sen in New York City, it illustrates just how terrifying America can still be for anyone that even in the vaguest terms codes to the ignorant as "Muslim."

Investigators had released surveillance video of the shooting and photographs of the suspect to the media Thursday. In the video, from Walmart in Lutz, a man deputies say is Quinnell approaches the couple from behind as they walk into the store about 3 a.m. Wednesday. He asked Mohammed if he was Muslim or from the Middle East, according to the Pasco County Sheriff's Office. Mohammed said no, but, authorities said, Quinnell shot him at close range with a gas-propelled pellet gun while saying "n- with a white girl."

Like Sen, Mohammed is not Muslim. Neither were from the Middle East Sen was born in India; Mohammed was born in Trinidad and raised in Tampa. That didn't matter to Quinnell, who told police that "they're all the same" after being informed that Mohammed isn't Muslim. It also didn't matter to Erika Menendez, the woman who murdered Sen and used "Muslim" and "Hindu" as interchangeable terms in her statements to police. But an unexpected part of the story is that in Quinnell's case the system worked, at least as much as it can under current law.


http://gawker.com/5973439/armed-hate-crime-victim-decides-not-to-shoot-attacker


What a lucky asshole.

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SpartanDem Jan 2013 OP
Warpy Jan 2013 #1
JI7 Jan 2013 #2
krispos42 Jan 2013 #3
ellisonz Jan 2013 #4
JI7 Jan 2013 #7
ellisonz Jan 2013 #11
JI7 Jan 2013 #12
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #31
krispos42 Jan 2013 #10
ellisonz Jan 2013 #13
krispos42 Jan 2013 #19
ellisonz Jan 2013 #21
krispos42 Jan 2013 #23
JI7 Jan 2013 #5
krispos42 Jan 2013 #20
sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #33
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #8
krispos42 Jan 2013 #22
Hoyt Jan 2013 #36
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #37
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #17
Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #27
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #6
PavePusher Jan 2013 #9
ellisonz Jan 2013 #15
PavePusher Jan 2013 #16
ellisonz Jan 2013 #18
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #25
Skittles Jan 2013 #32
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #42
Skittles Jan 2013 #43
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #44
Skittles Jan 2013 #46
ellisonz Jan 2013 #40
sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #34
Heather MC Jan 2013 #14
defacto7 Jan 2013 #24
Kurska Jan 2013 #26
Flying Squirrel Jan 2013 #28
Scootaloo Jan 2013 #29
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #30
sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #35
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #41
ret5hd Jan 2013 #39
Paladin Jan 2013 #38
Stuart G Jan 2013 #45

Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:17 AM

1. Having power and choosing not to use it

against some pinhead is the best way to keep the upper hand forever. Not only is that little prick still alive, he owes his life to his target.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:23 AM

2. this isn't really surprising, it's similar to what many black guys are taught

about when they are pulled over driving .

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:32 AM

3. Honestly, I probably would have shot the attacker.

Assuming I was in the same situation. I don't carry and never served, so I'm playing armchair quarterback here. But there's no way to tell at the moment of attack if it's a pellet gun or a firearm. And with adrenaline and fight-or-flight kicking in, I probably wouldn't have been able to tell if it was pellets or bullets hitting me in my vital areas.


The problem that Mr. Mohammed has to resolve now is "should he continue to carry?" At the moment of assault, he failed to act appropriately, which is why he got the permit and the gun in the first place.

If he can't bring himself to use the gun, that's fine. It's his choice. But he should then leave the gun home.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:39 AM

4. Really?

Because he didn't shoot the asshole and thus exercised sound judgment (IN HIS OWN OPINION) he shouldn't tote? Does not an armed society make a polite society?

I only wish George Zimmerman had made the same choice Mr. Mohammed did.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:44 AM

7. i think Mr Mohammed probably bought the gun because of attacks on him

while Zimmerman and most other gun nuts do so because they want to kill someone. and look for any chance to do so as Zimmerman did.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:57 AM

11. Zimmerman stated in no small part...

...that he bought the gun because of burglaries in his neighborhood. He profiled Martin as a burglar as part of his perceived neighborhood watch role.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:59 AM

12. i would have got cameras, alarm system, locks etc

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:01 AM

31. Zimmerman has been lying through his teeth, he even lied at his bail hearing

Nothing he has said is remotely credible.

I think he fantasized about killing someone, it's quite consistent with the persona we have seen from him.

Likewise the guy that blew away the black teen over the loud music.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:49 AM

10. Not exactly.

But the fact is he was being shot, and his gun never left his holster. He was carrying for personal protection, and yet after being fired upon by an angry racist with a gun, his gun never left his holster.

I'm not saying that he should have or would have shot him, but his training and reflex should have had him drawing the gun while he took stock of the situation.


Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:00 AM

13. Just like Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car...

...Mr. Mohammed probably believed that pulling his gun put him in more danger. If he had pulled his gun, someone might have ended up dead. How do you think this racist scumbag would have reacted if Mr. Mohammed had pulled the gun on him? He took stock of the situation and decided his gun was not the appropriate resolution to the situation. Very often guns escalate situations and bring about a much more horrific result that would have occurred otherwise - this is borne out in a myriad of statistical categories as I'm sure you're well aware.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:21 AM

19. That's not what the article indicated.

It indicated that he just couldn't use the gun, presumably on another person. Which is my point about him needing to look inside of himself to see if he should continue to carry concealed. Something I'm sure you can support.

I kinda doubt he really took stock of the situation, but that's me just guessing. I think he choked. I think he couldn't believe, deep down, that his life was really in danger.




I have mixed feelings on the "escalation" thing, because we also have to consider "justice" or "fairness" as well.

If you were attacked (say, because of your race), and you did not have means to defend yourself, then you get beaten and injured.

If you were attacked, but did have a weapon that you draw and use, then you are fine but your attacker is dead. So we have here a "much more horrific result", because instead of an injured person we have a dead one.

However, in one situation, the innocent person is badly injured while the violent attacker is uninjured. This is obviously unjust. In another situation, the innocent person is uninjured while the violent attacker is dead. This is obviously just and fair.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:28 AM

21. I think we're approaching reading tea leaves

"I don't know. I just couldn't do it," Mohammed said, recovering at his Tampa home two days after the attack. "I couldn't blow this guy away for something he could change later in life. I'm not going to decide this man's fate."


In the Walmart surveillance footage, as the assailant sweeps from behind and levels his gun, Mohammed's girlfriend disappears behind a column, safe from fire.

After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.




As to the rest of your argument, now we're really reading tea leaves and I could post statistics on domestic violence and guns but I think you're already familiar with that facet of the "escalation" factor.

Bottom-line: the statistics bear it out - less guns means less gun violence.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:40 AM

23. Maybe the pellet gun looked like a pellet gun

So obviously not a firearm that he didn't feel justified. That's another "tea leaf" thing, I guess.

He still could have been seriously injured, though... "you'll shoot your eye out" syndrome. And 20 shots is a lot of shots!


Maybe he meant he couldn't shoot the guy while the asshole was running away, which is a good thing, IMO.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:42 AM

5. then there is something really fucked up with the rules isn't it ? when the guy is wrong for not

having killed the guy who did not kill him ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:26 AM

20. Well, at the moment of decision he did not know it was an air gun.

Of course, those are also dangerous, even if they are rarely lethal. The racist cumstain did not kill him, but he was trying to injure Mohammed, who could have easily lost an eye in this attack.

Obviously, he was not required to draw and/or shoot. But drawing and/or shooting on the guy shooting at him would be entirely legal.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:19 AM

33. Obviously from the story, he was a very wise and intelligent man. He wasn't

concerned about 'legality' he was concerned about the 'morality' of shooting someone who was already running away. Since he was attacked from behind, he most likely had not time to draw his gun BEFORE he was hit and by then, he knew the gun was a pellet gun and the cowardly moron was running away. He is clearly a level-headed individual who saved himself a whole lot of legal trouble and is not responsible for the death of another human being, scumbag or not.

Strength is not in reacting with anger and without thinking. This is one strong human being, able to remain calm and assess a situation correctly even when under attack. That takes guts, intelligence and a whole lot of strength.

Fortunately for the coward who attacked him, he was not a cowardly nut case like Zimmerman who is incapable of thinking and assessing correctly a situation like this.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:44 AM

8. Honestly you will never know

Until you are faced with it. This is not an altogether unusual reaction. This is why the army and the police train.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:30 AM

22. Absolutely true.

I've read that green soldiers, in their first combat experience, will generally not aim at attacking enemy soldiers because they cannot overcome the natural inclination to not kill. And this is with training!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:30 AM

36. Apparently why a lot of private citizen gun owners train too, and shoot people when not necessary.


When I see someone training on targets that resemble people, I see someone ready to kill without a lot of thought -- just a reaction based upon their training.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:19 AM

37. Alas the training goes beyond paper targets

As the army and police have found.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:15 AM

17. He failed to act appropriately?

I think he disagrees with you.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:49 AM

27. Thankfully Mr. Mohammed showd more restraint than that and nobody died

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:42 AM

6. Ah lucky racist

That the man who was packing for real "lost his nerve."

Most who talk the tough talk will not acknowledge a simple fact. You will not know how you will react until faced with it.

This is the reason police and military train, and relentlessly so.

This is also why many gun owners have their guns taken away and used against them.

This racist guy is damn lucky though. So is Mr. Mohammed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:47 AM

9. "many gun owners have their guns taken away and used against them"

 

Got stats on that?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:01 AM

15. Would you support the ATF and CDC compiling and publishing them if they did?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:11 AM

16. Yep. Truth is good, even when it doesn't confirm your own biases. n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:16 AM

18. I only wish your NRA friends would let me confirm my own biases...

...which are largely borne out in the limited statistical analysis we do have. So if your position is so supported by the facts why does the NRA and their cronies keep us from getting them?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:49 AM

25. You could ask that nice Mr. Bloomberg for money to fund such a study.

God knows he's got plenty of it, and he hates guns in the hands of civilians he doesn't like...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:09 AM

32. omg

are you for real?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:48 PM

42. Of course I am- Bloomie's worth 25 billion dollars-he can well afford to...

http://www.forbes.com/profile/michael-bloomberg/

Forbes Lists
#16 Powerful People
#10 Forbes 400
#20 Forbes Billionaires

#11 in United States


So why hasn't he?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:51 PM

43. LOL

you are sad!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:53 PM

44. Not nearly as sad as the those he's conned via MAIG...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

46. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you are boring me now; done here

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:31 PM

40. It's too bad you were banned.

I was looking forward how you were going to dodge having to answer the question.

Sleep well you snake.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:23 AM

34. From the story, he did not lose his nerve, he correctly assessed the situation

with absolute accuracy and saw that there was no need to use his gun. He apparently is a person who can think quickly and saw no need to shoot a coward in the back as he ran away plus realizing it was a pellet gun and to use a deadly weapon against a pellet gun, he decided, was not an appropriate reaction. Too bad more people are not that fast on their feet, with the strong character he displayed.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:00 AM

14. He could have popped him in the knee cap.

a permanent limp is a good healthy reminder to not shoot innocent people

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:10 AM

24. not likely...

A permanent limp is a life long reminder of pain brought on by someone they hate. To some that would compel them to use the real thing next time and make it count, maybe on many.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:28 AM

26. Shots to the leg are very deadly

Several major arteries are in the leg. There is no such thing as shooting to wound.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:34 AM

28. Or perhaps he could have missed the leg and killed a toddler.

Police aim for center mass for a reason, it's to try and avoid missing the target and hitting an innocent bystander.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:47 AM

29. Or perhaps he could have done exactly as he did

It's fucking weird to see "progressives" on DU posturing about how they would have busted a cap.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:50 AM

30. Rule Number 1 in self defense with a gun, if you have to use it shoot to kill

 

If one is in a situation that a gun is needed to defend yourself that means your life is in danger; a wounded attacker is still a danger and threat.

But that is the way I was trained to use weapons, if you take it out of the holster to defend yourself you are going to use it.

Besides if some one shot me and did not kill me, I would hunt them down and well, you get the picture.



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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:28 AM

35. You would hunt them down? Well, you might want to take some lessons

from this man, who is clearly a very fast thinker, a person of extremely strong character, who was able to correctly assess a situation fast, conclude the situation didn't call for a shooting, and saved himself years of legal wrangling not to mention fees. He may also have accomplished something far more important than 'hunting down and killing' someone, which is pretty easy to do, he may have converted a few haters.

He certainly proved all the haters wrong, he is not in trouble, he is not badly hurt, and the coward with the hate in his heart and the pellet gun will go to jail and will have plenty of time to figure out who was the superior human being in that incident.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:25 PM

41. No he is a man who knows his limitations nothing more

 

And that is fine and all he did was confirm that he does not really need a gun.

If he is not going to use it he might as well get rid of it.

IMHO he got lucky, very lucky.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:58 PM

39. Before or after you clean the shit from your pants?

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:01 PM

38. Don't Take It So Hard, DU Gun Enthusiasts. (nt)


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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:10 PM

45. amazing story...thanks for posting...k and r...nt

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