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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:24 PM

What does it mean to DU'ers to call someone "anti-Israel"?

This has come up with Hagel, and is being used to stop him.

In addition to the poll options listed below, I'd like people to discuss whether Hagel himself is TRULY "anti-Israel" or simply not "pro-Israel" enough to suit them.
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ANY criticism of Israel at all is "anti-Israel".
0 (0%)
ANY criticism of Israeli "security" policies is "anti-Israel".
1 (11%)
Only EXTREME criticism of Israel is "anti-Israel"(offer examples of this below, if you would be so kind).
0 (0%)
Only opposition to very existence of Israel itself is "anti-Israel".
7 (78%)
Other
0 (0%)
No opinion
1 (11%)
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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:34 PM

1. Not pro-Israel enough for the right n/t

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Response to Still Sensible (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:37 PM

3. By that measure, The Labor and Meretz parties are anti-Israel.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:37 PM

2. Disagrees with Likud and Binyamin N?

That seems to be the operative definition in Congress, anyway.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:40 PM

4. I'm opposed to our tax dollars going pretty much to their war machine

and lots of it the last I read

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:41 PM

5. OK...but could you respond a bit more directly to the questions in the OP?

Just trying to keep this discussion as focused as possible.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:43 PM

6. Interesting that some are saying any criticism of Israel at all...not just on security policy.

If anyone would care to elaborate on that, I'd like to hear where they are coming from.

A lot of Israelis themselves are critical of various aspects of Israeli society and life, after all.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:46 PM

7. Read the time editorial by Joe Klein. This was started by william Kristol, and is total BS

It is formulated by the neoconservatives, primarily because Hagel does not believe it is good policy to bomb Iran, which the neocons call "appeasement".

The media of course are not going out of their way to correct the misrepresentations, sounds familiar? Iraq has WMDs...

Hagel is not anti-Israel, though he is against the illegal settlements being built in Palestinian areas

It is in the January 14 issue of Time magazine, "In the Arena", by Joe Klein, and puts the whole thing in perspective

I hope after the trillions of dollars, and million lives lost we have learned not to listen to the necons, especially since we are trying to undo the damage they have done to our economy and way of life


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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:48 PM

8. OK, I'll read that. Thanks. n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:30 PM

9. It's the same as 'anti-American'

That was used by Freepers towards those who opposed the war in Iraq. It's a way of trying to stifle legitimate criticism of a states actions by accusing those who criticise of doing so because they're motivated by hate of the state and nothing else.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:33 PM

10. To me, if you cannot even say you agree with Yitzhak Rabin's policies, you are anti-Israel.

I am a supporter of the late Yitzhak Rabin's policies. I think current Labor head Yachimovich is along the same lines as Rabin.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

11. I agree with Rabin's efforts towards peace.

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I do not agree with his practice of appeasing right-wing critics of the peace process by greenlighting more settlements...a practice that did as much as anything else to sabotage Oslo.

I would clearly prefer Rabin, though, to pretty much everybody that followed,and would vote for either Labor or Meretz if I was an Israeli citizen.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:10 PM

12. I am pro and anti Israel

I am for them having their own state but against some of their policies and how they carry them out.

Kind of like me here in the US - I am against some policies here and for others.

Some will say I am against the US because I don't back all of their ideals and policies.

So I am 'anti-US' and 'pro-US' at the same time.

Difference is, to some if you do not back Israel 100% you are anti-semitic.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:23 PM

13. We're more or less in the same position n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:10 AM

14. If you do nothing but call Israel an evil apartheid state

 

but only give a grudging acknowledgement of Palestinian extremism then you're anti-Israel. Too many people on both sides believe that God has given all of that land to them and have grown up hating the other side.

This is why I don't argue that issue, it's a waste of time.

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