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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:53 PM

open carrying store clerks: would that have freaked anyone out?

The thread about the cable guy/pizza guy/et al coming to your house open carrying reminded me of a situation I thought I'd ask y'all about.

About 8 or 10 years ago, the gas station a mile from our house was owned and run by a family, a father-son business. We frequented the gas station, so we spoke to the father and son often. One November, there was an armed robbery while the father (mid 60's/early 70's) was on duty, and he was shot in the abdomen during the robbery. He spent I think a month in ICU, and many months after that trying to recover and rehabilitate. He eventually returned to the store to work behind the counter (with a noticeable dent in his abdomen), but when he returned, he had a gun. He openly carried, every day, all day at the store. I don't know what kind of gun it was, as I'm not gun savvy enough to differentiate, but it was a large revolver type gun, and he carried it right on his hip in a holster.

It gave me pause the first time I saw it, because it was initially a shock, but after that it didn't really bother me. I never thought twice about going into the store or patronizing the store, even with my children in tow.

I am now wondering, would you be upset and/or refuse to patronize a store where the shop owner openly carried? I never thought twice about it before now, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me.

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Reply open carrying store clerks: would that have freaked anyone out? (Original post)
Butterbean Jan 2013 OP
avebury Jan 2013 #1
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #3
Butterbean Jan 2013 #4
LeftofObama Jan 2013 #2
Butterbean Jan 2013 #5
PavePusher Jan 2013 #20
LeftofObama Jan 2013 #23
PavePusher Jan 2013 #28
Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #6
Butterbean Jan 2013 #10
Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #22
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #7
Marrah_G Jan 2013 #8
flvegan Jan 2013 #9
greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #11
peacebird Jan 2013 #12
rrneck Jan 2013 #13
X_Digger Jan 2013 #14
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #15
Raine Jan 2013 #16
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #17
Hoyt Jan 2013 #18
Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #24
Hoyt Jan 2013 #33
Mugu Jan 2013 #19
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #21
Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #25
Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #26
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #27
FarCenter Jan 2013 #29
Butterbean Jan 2013 #31
FarCenter Jan 2013 #32
RebelOne Jan 2013 #30
quinnox Jan 2013 #34
sarisataka Jan 2013 #35
NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #36

Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:57 PM

1. If I walked into a place and saw people

open carrying I would probably turn around and walk out. I can understand why the guy probably when back to work open carrying but I would probably still turn around and walk out and would think twice about returning again.

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Response to avebury (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:01 PM

3. Same here

but with open carry I would easily have that choice. With concealed carry, I would not know or have that choice.

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Response to avebury (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:01 PM

4. Okay, thanks. Just wondering. I guess if you didn't know

the owner and the situation that preceded him feeling the need to open carry, it would probably be kind of freaky, yeah. I imagine if I walked into just any store and saw someone open carrying it would probably give me pause. I guess with this situation, because we knew them and knew the background, it really didn't bother me much.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:00 PM

2. I don't think I would go there anymore.

First of all what if there was an accidental discharge, and second of all if the store gets robbed while you're there you would get caught in the crossfire.

I think I would take my chances in a store where there probably aren't any guns.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:02 PM

5. I thought about that a couple of times, too (getting caught in the crossfire)

and it did worry me a little. It's odd how the disconnect happens.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:46 PM

20. And this happens... how often?

 

Got stats?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:54 PM

23. Nope,

No stats.

But my first thought would be, "Oh look! That guys got a gun strapped to his side. What if this place gets robbed while I'm in here? I wouldn't want to be caught in the crossfire. I don't think I want to take the chance." Then I would thank him for his time and walk to the door.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:45 PM

28. Huh. I'd be impressed with the desire to protect themselves (and presumeably their customers).

 

I'd try to strike up a conversation about why they chose to do so, what training they have had or intend to get, what type of guns they decided on and why.... heck, the possibilities are nearly endless.

But I'm interested in people. YMMV.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:03 PM

6. Wouldn't bother me a bit...

 

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Response to Coyote_Tan (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:09 PM

10. May I ask where you live? I am wondering if

it's regional/cultural. The area where I live now is very blue/liberal, and open carry isn't common at all. However, where I was raised and have lived most of my life before here is deep red and guns are very much a part of the scenery. It is not uncommon at all to hear gunshots in the distance when we go back home to visit, because there are so many hunters out and about (rural SC).

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Response to Butterbean (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:54 PM

22. I was raised around guns...

 

... In a military and LEO environment out west. Healthy healthy respect for firearms that started when i had the ability to comprehend.

Currently I am active military and bounce around but most places I've been, aside from Europe, were gun friendly.

Even the Germans were thrilled to be able to shoot with me but that was novelty as much as anything.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:04 PM

7. Several farm markets and nurseries I go to have been held up.

 

Cash businesses can be targets for robberies. The owners don't "open carry" but a handgun or shotgun is real close by.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:07 PM

8. I wouldn't have a problem with a shop owner being armed.

If he is carrying it would generally mean that he works in a place where he feels being armed out wieghs any loss of business from customers who object.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:08 PM

9. Not at all.

I have friends who are bailbondsmen, pawn shop owners and other professions where open carry is frequent for some employees in their storefronts.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:09 PM

11. Would not bother me at all. nt

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:13 PM

12. Yes.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:15 PM

13. It wouldn't bother me in the least. nt

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:18 PM

14. Meh, to each his/her own. n/t

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:18 PM

15. What's he going to do, rob himself? I wouldn't be concerned.

 

I would have no problem patronizing that establishment.

Many small business owners and private establishments have a shotgun handy or concealed handgun. Just because you can see it doesn't change anything for me.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:29 PM

16. No, not as long as he had training about gun safety etc. nt

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:39 PM

17. Store clerk? Not sure. Probably wouldn't bother me.

Would be more bothered by other shoppers open carrying.

That said, glad I live in a state where that doesn't happen.


However, a cable guy coming to my house open carrying? Fuck no.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:39 PM

18. I would leave. Most gun cultists I've known who carried were mean, callous, bigots.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:58 PM

24. I suspect you may have approached them...

 

... With a hostile attitude based on your post.

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Response to Coyote_Tan (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:07 PM

33. No reason to pull a gun, but carriers enjoy intimidation.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:44 PM

19. I have no problem with proprietors being armed. n/t

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:47 PM

21. No, it wouldn't bother me at all. I would understand it, esp under those circumstances.

I think a lot of store owners have a gun behind the counter.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:06 PM

25. Would not be comfortable

Hell, I won't even patronize 'Texas Roadhouse' due to Texas' stance on the death penalty.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:20 PM

26. There was a convenience store right off I-75 close to where I lived where the clerks were armed

I noticed it and then realized it was because of the location.

It didn't upset me.

There was a branch of a bank I used to do some work for in GA that was right off the highway that was robbed three times in a year. Pretty scary stuff. Location, location, location.

I'd think it was weird in another location, though.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:27 PM

27. Not much. But, I do not belong to a "threatening" demographic.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:48 PM

29. A neighbor of ours used to open carry at the church picnic

Concealed carry is more of a issue than open carry.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:51 PM

31. WOW. Never seen that. The father and son sold the store I think 4 years ago, btw.

The guy who runs it now doesn't open carry. I have no idea if he's got a gun. I don't go there much any more.

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Response to Butterbean (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:08 PM

32. At the time, concealed carry permits were very hard to get; open carry was generally legal

The philosophy was, apparently, that you could carry, buy others should know you are carrying.

After all, the law officers usually open carry, and that's generally not a problem, and they're not always the sharpest knives in the drawer.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:49 PM

30. Absolutely not.

It would not deter me from patronized a store where the owner was openly carrying a weapon.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:25 PM

34. Yep, it would make me think of a couple things

 

One, why is it necessary for them to have a weapon. Hmm, I would think, maybe this is not such a good store to go to, if they get robbed on a regular basis, and I wouldn't want to be there on the next robbery.

Two, it would make me nervous in general. I don't want to see civilians wearing a gun, I only want to see people in authority and that I know are trained to use them have one openly displayed, such as police officers, etc. It would make me think the store guy was paranoid or something was wrong with him. Or, as I said, that this is not a store I want to frequent if it is a common target of thieves.

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:34 PM

35. I've seen a couple stores where owners open carry

I usually ask if they have problems with robberies. The usual answer is- not any more

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Response to Butterbean (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:12 AM

36. I worked 3rd shift at a C-Store for several years

when I was much younger. I was robbed once.

It was quite a surprise, since Metro Police were regular customers and I gave them free coffee and every other perk I could to keep them as regulars.

I'll never forget it - I was filling the beer cooler when I saw this guy be-bop up to the counter. I came out of the cooler and greeted him "Hey! how's it going?" He seemed like an extremely nice guy, as he greeted me back. I got to my spot and slammed ny hand down on the counter and asked "What can I do for you?" and flashed my best smile. He said "you can give me all your money." I laughed, because that was a common joke, and said "no, really, what can I do for you?" He replied "I said you can give me all your money". His face was serious, and I saw a movement at his belt-line. Looking down, I saw he was cocking a small pistol in his belt. I raised my hands, and pulled the cashdrawer out so he could watch as I pulled out the cash and gave it to him. He asked me about the other register, and I went over and pulled out the empty cashdrawer and showed it to him.

"it's empty, see?" He asked if I had anymore money stashed anywhere, as he was on his way out. Of course, I said no. We also had a height strip posted at the door, so I could give an accurate report of his height to the police.

Our company had very strict rules about not having more than $60 in a drawer at a time. They also had multiple signs posting that we did not have access to more than that and apologizing for not being able to break big bills (both an apology to our customers and a warning to crooks - pass us by, we're not worth it!)

Of course, I called Metro. They responded quickly (I guess all that free coffee and joking around paid off!). While they were taking my statement, they got a call that the guy had been apprehended. Seems that he had just gotten out of jail his friends decided to go joy-riding and knocked off several C-Stores.

To be honest, I was really intimidated by his gun because it wasn't very large. Afterwards, my cop friends told me that I was lucky because it was a small caliber which tended to be more deadly because they would enter and then bounce around tearing out your insides, rather than a large caliber that would have been a clean through and through.

There were more interesting things that happened in the aftermath (including my court testimony, where I was asked to look carefully at the defendant to verify my line-up testimony, and while staring into the defendant's eyes he eventually looked down and away, as if he couldn't stand the scrutiny), but I won't mention them here. I'll be happy to give more info for anyone who wishes.

But I NEVER felt the need to conceal carry or open carry any kind of weapon before or after.

Perhaps it was because of the precautions that our company had taken.

Otherwise, my company sucked. They eventually went out of business, but I suspect that the founders are sitting on a tropical beach sipping pina coladas and laughing that someone actually paid good money to buy their company (I won't mention the name, but it's initials were Hot Stop - oops!)

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