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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:10 PM

Don't EVER Listen to Matt Taibbi. Not Ever.

Some people seem to think that because Taibbi exposes bad things that powerful people do to you little people, that he's some sort of hero.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

As has been pointed out in other DU posts today, Taibbi sometimes says that both congressional Democrats and Republicans have been against things that are being done to us by the Executive branch.

Asshole!

It is unacceptable for you little people to say that Republicans ever have the same opinion as Democrats, people like Taibbi should know better.

The privilege of saying that Republicans agree with Democrats is reserved solely for important and serious people who need to say the word "bipartisan" a lot to sound like we're sensible.

So get with the program: Taibbi is a scoundrel. Don't read what he has to say. Please. Just don't read it. Nothing to see there. Keep moving. Maybe there's something good on YouTube: hey, have you seen that Gangnam Style video yet? Maybe now's the time to finally watch it. Or there's probably good stuff with kittens. Or go outside, it's a nice day. Reading is so last-century.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Reply Don't EVER Listen to Matt Taibbi. Not Ever. (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 OP
Autumn Jan 2013 #1
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #2
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WillyT Jan 2013 #3
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #4
4dsc Jan 2013 #17
datasuspect Jan 2013 #5
JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #36
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #39
kath Jan 2013 #85
chatcat11 Jan 2013 #81
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #113
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #114
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #116
Left Brain Jan 2013 #124
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IDemo Jan 2013 #9
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socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #59
magical thyme Jan 2013 #10
Agony Jan 2013 #11
FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #123
Agony Jan 2013 #131
ProSense Jan 2013 #12
ReRe Jan 2013 #47
bvar22 Jan 2013 #128
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Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #132
bvar22 Jan 2013 #135
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #138
bvar22 Jan 2013 #139
mother earth Jan 2013 #13
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azureblue Jan 2013 #15
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #33
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #117
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:18 PM

1. May I just hire someone to read it to me?

That way I'm not reading his words. Otherwise you will need to pry my Rolling Stone from my cold dead fingers.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:20 PM

2. No! No podcasts, or interviews either!

It's only acceptable to read specific sentences of his, and only when taken out of context and presented by very sensible people like me, on sites like DU and Kos.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:27 PM

6. As I strive to become a true third wayer I will do the natural thing.

I will misdirect and say I didn't when I did. That's the ticket.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:20 PM

3. ROFL !!!








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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:21 PM

4. I love reading Matt Taibbi



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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:10 PM

17. me too

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:23 PM

5. very sensible post

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:49 PM

36. This post is gibberish...

 

I can't follow the logic in any way.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:51 PM

39. This might clarify things a bit.. Or not..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:07 PM

85. Thanks, fume sucker! now I've finally got my mind right.

I've been trying so hard to be a good little Third Wayer, so I can fit in with the others here at TWUnderground.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:57 PM

81. Try reading it slowly

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:57 AM

113. OK, where's that Taibbi guy?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #113)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:45 AM

114. That's not funny.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #114)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:55 AM

116. Sensible woodchucks agree.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #113)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:03 PM

124. LOL! DUzy (n/t)

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #113)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:37 PM

134. LOL !!! - Perfect !!!


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:34 PM

7. Gotta love IIIWM

n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:35 PM

8. WOW!!

I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic? I hope you are becasue Matt is correct. Only a fool would believe that the only corrupt side is the republicans. Granted, they do seem to be more corrupt.

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Response to bec (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:41 PM

9. Manny is always completely serious

No sarcasm here...

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Response to IDemo (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:10 PM

18. okay I got it!

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Response to IDemo (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:05 PM

59. Yep. BOTH Mannys are serious as a heart attack....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:46 PM

10. I'm never going to pay attention to Matt Taibbi again

Not only because you told me not to, 3rd way (and btw thank you for pointing the correct third way direction on this) but because I started reading his article shortly after eating a lovely lunch of freshly made black forest mushroom soup and nearly lost the whole thing. I had to go take a nap and dream happy daydreams to keep my lunch.

and then I did some chores and fed the critters. And I was just feeding myself my lowly comfort food dinner of potatoes w/burger, cheese and spaghetti sauce, when I found myself reading excerpts from his article in a post bashing him. And there went my dinner.

Never, ever again. I can't afford to lose my meals...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:51 PM

11. your buddy Rahm feels the same way no doubt.

why you people are allowed to post here is beyond me.

I'm gonna go read me some Taibbi.

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Response to Agony (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:39 PM

123. "Third-way Manny" is not to be taken literally.

He's built up enough of a track record that he's stopped using the sarcasm smiley.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #123)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:50 PM

131. Gotcha!

The atmosphere is much better with TWM in the house... I used to run hurdles?
does that count?



Cheers
Agony

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:57 PM

12. My new favorite

Republicans: Grassley, Issa, Vitter, Inhofe, Bunning, Sessions, DeMint, Brasso, Enzi and Brownback.

Thanks Matt!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022141335

The fact is Taibbi is trying to portray Republican Senators as objecting to TARP and trying to rein it in is equivalent to "truth"? On what planet?

Congress was furious. "We've been lied to," fumed Rep. David Scott, a Democrat from Georgia. Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Democrat from Maryland, raged at transparently douchey TARP administrator (and Goldman banker) Neel Kashkari, calling him a "chump" for the banks. And the anger was bipartisan: Republican senators David Vitter of Louisiana and James Inhofe of Oklahoma were so mad about the unilateral changes and lack of oversight that they sponsored a bill in January 2009 to cancel the remaining $350 billion of TARP.

So what did bailout officials do? They put together a proposal full of even bigger deceptions to get it past Congress a second time. That process began almost exactly four years ago – on January 12th and 15th, 2009 – when Larry Summers, the senior economic adviser to President-elect Barack Obama, sent a pair of letters to Congress. The pudgy, stubby­fingered former World Bank economist, who had been forced out as Harvard president for suggesting that women lack a natural aptitude for math and science, begged legislators to reject Vitter's bill and leave TARP alone.

Vitter as the hero is bizarre bullshit.

Taibbi is actually trying to make the case that prior to Obama's swearing in, Vitter and other Republicans were credibly and legitimately going after TARP.

None of these Republicans voted for Wall Street Reform and they are not in a fight against Wall Street.

An original bill to promote the financial stability of the United States by improving accountability and transparency in the financial system, to end "too big to fail", to protect the American taxpayer by ending bailouts, to protect consumers from abusive financial services practices, and for other purposes.


NAYs ---41

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

In fact, the turned their venom on the one person who provided oversight of the program, Elizabeth Warren:

On November 14, 2008, Warren was appointed by United States Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to chair the five-member Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the implementation of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act. The Panel released monthly oversight reports that evaluated the government bailout and related programs. During Warren's tenure, these reports covered foreclosure mitigation, consumer and small business lending, commercial real estate, AIG, bank stress tests, the impact of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) on the financial markets, government guarantees, the automotive industry, and other topics.(a)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#TARP_oversight


"It is unacceptable for you little people to say that Republicans ever have the same opinion as Democrats, people like Taibbi should know better."

Is that Third Way Taibbi?




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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:09 PM

47. Hear! Hear! Hear! Hear! Hear! Hear! Hear!

+10000 to the nth degree!

You live up to your name, ProSense. Anybody, I say anybody who thinks we got into this grand financial mess without right wing Democrats needs to back up and read some congressional history. Go back around 40 years and come forward. That may be a wee bit far, but lets say no later than 30 years ago. Start at Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan. Heck, when you think about, if you just go back to Clinton and come forward, it's as blatant as the nose on one's face!

All I can say is these "third-wayers" must either be very young, or very rich with the support of the DLC, or both. We as Democrats must hold ourselves partially responsible for what has happened and get right with our platform and principles once again. Taibbi speaks the TRUTH. Truth is a bitter pill, but we must take our medicine or we will never get well. This struggle with the DLC mentality is tearing the Democratic Party apart. And it must be stopped, no matter how long it takes. If we start now, maybe in 20 years we can be back to a REAL Democratic Party. Why 20 years? Because that's the number of years since Clinton was elected and came into office.0

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Response to ReRe (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:07 PM

128. IF you have correctly identified the Blue Dogs, the DLC and the "New Democrats" as the problem,

then you should also know about this:

"The Arkansas primary fight illuminates some unpleasant though vital truths about the Democratic establishment "
"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln. Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure. Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests. The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #128)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:37 PM

130. Really!

Are we all Republicans now? Like that song that Garrison Keillor sang on PHC when GWB wound up with a second term? Or maybe it was in 2000?

I don't like this one party business at all. We are supposed to have two parties and I wish to God we'd get back to it! I love Obama and the Big Dawg, and I love Hillary, but this is downright scandalous. Democrats do not have to be Republicans to win an effing election!

Well, I'm an effing Democrat till I die. Call me DEMOCRAT, PROGRESSIVEand even the big bad bookey word a LIBERAL!
I know what side of the fence I'm on, and that's the LEFT SIDE!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #128)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:36 PM

132. The argument, of course, was that only a Blue Dog like Blanche

could win in AR.

But we, Rahm's despised Retarded Leftists, didn't understand that.

Of course she lost miserably.

Now she's co-chair of the Turd Way and a lobbyist for polluters.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #132)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:26 PM

135. That argument did NOT apply in Arkansas.

The FDR Left, the Grass Roots, the Pro-Health Care supporters,
the UNIONS, Environmental Groups, Progressive activists, Obama supporters, all came together and did everything right.
We had national funding from the Unions and other sources.
We chose a very popular Democrat
who was polling better than Lincoln against the Republicans,
who already had a political machine,
who had a record of winning elections,
Democratic Governor Bill Halter.

Lincoln has ZERO chance against the Republican in the General election.

We did everything exactly right to "give Obama more progressives in Congress ",
....and our BIGGEST enemy turned out to be the Obama White House.

What happened in the Arkansas Primary forever puts to rest the myth of an excuse you posted above.
The next time a "centrist" trots THAT one out, you can laugh at them.
"Ordinarily, when Party leaders support horrible incumbents in primaries, they use the “electability” excuse: this is a conservative state, the incumbent has the best chance to win, and the progressive challenger is out-of-step with voters. That excuse is clearly unavailable here. As Public Policy Polling explained yesterday, Lincoln has virtually no chance of winning in November against GOP challenger John Boozman.

And while it would have also been difficult for Halter to beat Boozman, polls consistently showed that he had a better chance than Lincoln did. That’s unsurprising, given how much better non-Washington candidates are doing in this incumbent-hating climate than long-term Washington insiders. And it’s rather difficult to claim that Halter is out-of-step with Arkansas given that they elected him their Lt. Governor. Whatever the reasons Washington Democrats had for supporting the deeply unpopular Lincoln, it had nothing whatsoever to do with electability."


http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


IF Arkansas 2010 was an anomaly, I might be willing to overlook the White House's active support for the conservative as just a major fuck up,
but Arkansas was not an anomaly.
The pattern was repeated in Colorado and Pennsylvania where the White House threw their full support behind a REPUBLICAN who recently changed the letter behind his name, but nothing else.

When the White House was asked to explain their active support, including an Oval Office endorsement and funds from the DSCC for Lincoln,
the only response was from a "White House Spokesman" who taunted and ridiculed our efforts stating that "the Unions just wasted $10MIllion Dollars."

It will be a LONG time before those of us in the trenches in Arkansas forget what the Obama White House did here in 2010.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #135)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:57 AM

138. Absolutely. That was one of the incidents that taught me

what the Obamites, and High Priest Rahm, were/are all about.

It's not different now.

The last 4 years were a window of opportunity for great changes and a restoration of America as a nation dedicated to the welfare of its people. 2010 happened as it did because the Dems were doing nothing to deliver on that potential. No, they didn't have a super-majority in the Senate. But by their actions and inactions, they made damn sure it stayed that way.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #138)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:36 PM

139. "they made damn sure it stayed that way."

Hammer meets Nail!


"It was ALL Joe Lieberman's fault.
He was this Powerful Super Bully who ruined it for EVERYBODY!
There was NOTHING we could doooooo.
It was HORRIBLE!"





You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:59 PM

13. I love Taibbi & Manny too. :)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:05 PM

14. Listen to Manny! He speaks the truth!

I never like Taibbi. Something self promoting and smarmy about him and I don't trust him...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:06 PM

15. My my

Matt has hit a nerve again - the GOP trolls are out in full force, all over the net. Note their response (like this one) - canned and fact free.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:44 PM

33. Your snarkometer needs to go to the shop..

It's seriously out of calibration or maybe just worn plumb out.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:58 AM

117. We seem to be in need of a mass recall of snarkometers.

At least half of them seem to be functioning erratically.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:08 PM

16. KITTEHZ!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:11 PM

19. "you little people"

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Response to bemildred (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

23. Yeah, I caught that too.



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Response to bemildred (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:23 PM

51. "you little people"...

...used to make Democrats run away crying with their tails tucked between their legs. Yeah, we hated the names. They'd call us the evil word "Libruls'", and we'd go hide. We hunched over in shame so many times when they called us names, that our backbones became deformed. But modern medicine, like this bankrupt economy and hurting Americans from shore to shore, has come to the rescue. One by one, our spines are straightening back up. Playground foolishness is recognized and the names and insults bounce off of us and ricochet back to them. Faux ratings are going down, down, down.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:25 PM

63. Excellent decision. I vow now to post it everywhere

to remind people not to read it.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #63)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:43 PM

69. I printed it out for my daughter and her boyfriend but I changed

the text to white first. I am committed to advancing the education of young citizens consumers.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:14 PM

120. thanks for the link..I had to go there and not read all of it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #120)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:29 PM

122. It is amazing how long it took me to not read it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:18 PM

21. No one taught me more about the meltdown than Taibbi. His articles in Rolling Stone were clear and

concise....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

22. I keep forgetting I'm a Little Person.

Thanks for the reminder 3rd Way'

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:20 PM

24. Who you callin' "you little people"?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:23 PM

25. I loved your post so much...

I recommended it twice. Don't know how that happened, but hey, anything for the Third Way cause!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:28 PM

26. I enjoy reading your posts here

thank you for keeping it real in a sea of loyalist goobers and right wing trolls.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:28 PM

27. The first thing I do

When someone tells me not to read/listen whatever is go read/ listen...cause I like to make up my own mind...if people just follow you and do as you say they are nothing more than sheep

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Response to Excuse me (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:33 PM

30. Welcome to DU, please accept this complimentary sarcasm detector. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:54 PM

78. Is DU giving away the digital sarcasm detector now, or are they still using the analog one?

Cuz the digital one is the bomb. It's 18% more sensitive I've heard.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:03 PM

84. LOL

First time a DU post has made me laugh out loud in a while. Please accept my compliments.

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Response to Excuse me (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:45 PM

34. Follow the links back to the original thread; Manny is being sarcastic. & Welcome.

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Response to Excuse me (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:48 AM

99. so you read it?

what did you think? i was too scared.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

28. You Crack Me Up, Manny!

I'm starting to understand why you have such a following on this site.

Heh-heh! In the words of Fred Flintstone: "How droll; how very, very droll . . ."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:32 PM

29. Damn him!

 

Never! At least not without the accompaniment of ProSense beating him with a stick while I share a cup of coffee with Kelly Ripa and Michael Strahan and this little guy:

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:35 PM

31. Run Taibbi, run!

Although I would never equate Republicans with Democrats concerning anything to do with regulating banks or the economy, I really can't believe that Manny thinks there aren't some Democrats that don't share some of the blame for corruption on Wall Street.

I would be happy to see Taibbi in office fighting for us "little people."

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Response to sarchasm (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:49 AM

96. "... in office fighting for us "little people."

"In office" and "fighting for the "little people" .

In the same sentence. Just doesn't look right...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:40 PM

32. Thank you Manny. Your irony is consoling. I feel less alone. Really appreciate it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:47 PM

35. Third-Party Manny strikes again...

btw, DUer Dr. Fate did the fake centrist thing earlier and better than you ever will.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:49 PM

37. Because mine's not fake. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:51 PM

38. Your third party advocacy? No doubt...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:53 PM

40. Third Way, Sid, not Third Party

Reading is fundamental.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:57 PM

43. Not if he doesn't want to know anything.

Reading will just mess up his day.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:12 PM

48. How dare you besmirch DU's conservative hall monitor?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:33 AM

100. Lol!

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:49 PM

73. Do I understand that you support Manny The Third Way? nm

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:43 AM

98. In US Politics, Third Way does not mean Third Party.

The Third Way has infected OUR Party and we will be working hard getting them out of this party over the next four years and sending them back to where they belong.

You should engage more in political discussion on DU. Anyone who has been here for time at all and doesn't know what the Third Way is and how it has destroyed the Dem Party must be doing something other than discussing politics here.

Can't imagine any Democrat confusing the Third Way with a Third Party.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #98)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:00 AM

104. I'm presuming Third Way is same as that espoused by Tony Blair.

Didn't do Labour a whole lot of good IMO - it worked OK when the Conservatives were in disarray but after Blair left... whoops.

What's worse than Third Way? Third Way in a Third Party. It's the perfect way to alienate your "base". Look at the Liberal Democrats in the UK - a Third Party that is going about things Third Way. Latest opinion polls have them in fourth place!

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #104)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:02 AM

136. Yes. exactly. Blair fooled a lot of people, even here, for a while.

But in retrospect he never was the 'liberal' he pretended to be and I keep hoping that Britain will find the courage to prosecute their war criminals one day. It's doubt ful though. The Third Way aka Wall Street has been allowed to gather too much power.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:36 PM

55. as opposed to what

you being quickly reduced to a non-topical/attack the messenger reply?

you sure showed him, no?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:54 PM

41. Will review. But I'm not sure that Pro-Sense was saying NEVER read Taibbi. I took Pro-Sense as

observing something that does happen around here:

1. When it's my own particular brand of "third" whatever, as in Taibbi's use of that Republican roll call on that vote, it's okay;
2. When it's someone else's brand of "third" whatever, as in PO's recent use of Reagan & deficit cap effects upon bonds recently, that's NOT okay.

I would like to observe that without 1. AND 2. above, there couldn't be any "third" anything.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:57 PM

42. Manny...much appreciation for your wisdom and clarification here on D.U.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:58 PM

44. i hate that guy, what with his in depth, investigative style

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:03 PM

45. D'oh - Just like "Primus sucks"

I had a hard time with that too - but yeah!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:05 PM

46. wow pure opinion without any HARD FACTS to back up his charge

wow

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:17 PM

49. 3WMG is the MFM of GD!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:19 PM

50. Taibbi (name sounds foreign to me) throws around too much information

 

All this information is simply misdirection to distract us from the greater truth. He might point out, for example, that Democrats and Republicans both supported and voted for a particular bill, as if this fact alone means something. In his shoddily researched articles does he ever go the extra mile and explain the critical differences between these seemingly identical (to the political neophite) "yes" votes?

In his blizzard of facts and information, has he even tried to explain that a democratic yes on a bill often means that they are vehemently opposed to that bill's passage, while the identical yes vote from a Republican indicates enthusiastic support? Has he ever, even once, devoted even a single article to the Democratic Congressman's nobility and love of country, and contrasted these ever-present virtues with the Republican's loathing of all things American?

I think not. And lacking that framework it is impossible to understand the critical differences between seemingly identical votes.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:07 PM

86. Uhhh, isn't the last bit true?

 



"Democratic Congressman's nobility and love of country, and contrasted these ever-present virtues with the Republican's loathing of all things American?"

Snarkiness aside, last time I checked, that statement is actually true.

When we have our enemy on the ropes, I'm not sure why guys Taibbi are picking on Democrats. The day we have progressive super majorities in both houses of congress, a progressive majority in the Supreme Court, AND a progressive president, I'll worry about internal house cleaning. Until then, we need to stand unified until the Rethugs are locked out of ALL decision making and their racist teabagger constituents have no more say in how the rest of America is run.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:26 PM

52. Who the fuck is Matt Taibbi?

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:36 PM

54. Yes!

That's it! Perfect!

I wish that more on DU had your spirit!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:34 PM

53. I hardly ever listen to him

but I do read his work from time to time.

I can certainly understand why his recent work about the banksters and their cohorts in the executive branch mighta gotten the dander of the pres worshippers up.

It must be particularly annoying to them that they can't muster a defense to the charges he made. If things fall apart again, they won't be able to blame Bush/repugs for it, although he/they can be blamed for a great deal else.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:39 PM

56. Matt Taibbi knows what he's talking about. Why would I quit reading him?...

I printed out his latest. Going to read it tonight.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:26 PM

126. Have that snarkometer looked at n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:41 PM

141. I know. I really got taken on that one...



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Response to truth2power (Reply #141)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:43 PM

142. Not to worry --

It's happened to me a couple of times, too!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:01 PM

57. Taibbi is being to sound like Nader

with his comparisons between Democratic and Republican actions, and the similarities between said actions.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #57)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

62. corollary to Godwin's Law: Nurbin's Law

 

introducing Ralph Nader into a discussion instantly discredits you and anything you say.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:33 PM

64. I agree. We dont want to know that Democrats ever, ever,

bow down to the corporations. We cant deal with that. We must have the hope that the Democrats are free from the temptations of lobbyist money and will work for the common person. We must deal strongly with those like Nader that dare to attempt to break our denial bubbles.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #64)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:35 PM

65. campaigns don't pay for themselves

 

those well intentioned $10 and $20 donations are a nice thought, but heavy downstrokes carry the heavy load, and John and Jane Q. Public aren't paying for $1000 plates.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #65)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:44 PM

70. Sorry, I must not be smart enough to see your point.

Are you saying that it's cool for Democrats to sell their souls for campaign money?

Or maybe you are saying that Democrats must be as corrupt as Repukes to be competitive?

Help me out here please.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:47 PM

72. have you ever worked with campaigns, candidates, or politicians?

 

they ARE PRACTICALLY ALL scumbags - VERY FEW exceptions.

they are infinitely more careful with their money than with yours.

they will stand right in front of you, but they aren't really there.

my post was sarcasm and points to the bipartisan whoring and legal bribery that is the political system in the USA.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #72)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:51 PM

76. You must use sarcasm tags. I think it's in the TOS.

Some like me that are a little slow need all the help we can get.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #72)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:22 PM

83. I, too, wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic.

And if you were not being sarcastic while I was being sarcastic but I thought you were being sarcastic anyway, then a rip in the time-space continuum would occur and one of us would go back in time and kill Hitler.

Whoops!

Now I gone done it.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #83)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:02 AM

91. Kill Hitler. Shit. I knew there was something I was forgetting. I had an affair with Sophia Loren

instead. I hope the world will understand my weakness.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:45 PM

143. Nurbin's law not applicable to any discussion about consumer safety regulations, particularly...

with respect to such regulations of the Automotive industry.

This exception exists because leaving him out of a discussion of that would be a grave sin of omission.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:02 PM

58. Taibbi has knocked AIPAC

 

...for its close association with extremist Evangelicals in order to garner support from Christian America. Could that be the real reason you're dissing him?

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Response to Figaro78 (Reply #58)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:06 PM

60. Speaking as an evangelical Christian...

yes, that would be the reason. Please don't tell anyone, OK?

Thanks!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #60)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:40 PM

67. Oh, you are soooo busted, Manny!



And that Taibbi guy? Probably one of them FDR type Democrats, maybe even a commie librul.

Thanks so much for your post!

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Response to Zorra (Reply #67)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:49 PM

74. one of Rahm's "fucking retarded" leftist thugs

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:03 AM

111. Sorry, dude. Your self imposed branding

 

leaves me to consider you a mark for those that enjoy exploiting the ignorant.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

61. Leave Matt alone!!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:12 AM

105. lol! nt

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:24 AM

106. Nice ten year old meme, gramps. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #106)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:42 AM

107. Bwahahahaha ... stop, stop, you're killing me.

That was really the best you could come up with?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:37 PM

66. Matt Taibbi's Big Con was a big hit on Daily Kos today!

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:42 PM

68. That was amusing

I see it's every bit as calm inducing there as here.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:45 PM

71. Thanks for the reminder of why I stopped participating in that cesspool.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #71)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:51 PM

75. Seems to be a butt assed ugly website.

not at all pleasant looking like DU.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:42 AM

102. Lol, I was just thinking the same thing.

'Cesspool' is right.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:39 AM

101. Lol, Citizen K from DK. Well why am I not surprised? Can't remember that

person ever taking a real progressive stand on anything.

Taibbi is right. He has always been right. Being correct about the state of our Government is a dangerous thing to be.

Thankfully though, as more and more Americans begin to learn what has been going, people like Citizen K on the internet, are very much in the minority.

I still think we met somewhere before, btw.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:54 PM

77. I will if I want. You cant tell me what to do. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:05 PM

80. Not yet.

But when next year's NDAA passes, we'll see who's laughing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #80)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:21 PM

88. Cant scare me. I been using my brother-in-laws data for the last two years.

He might get a big surprise one day soon.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:08 PM

82. Among the media daily BS Taibbi is a God

So I should not listen to one of the few journalists who keep the spotlight ion the criminal banksters??!?!

Of coooouuuurrrrse!! ( a la Cenk)

Instead I'll kneel and worship the oligarchs who, after the greatest financial scam in human history, cannot force themselves to even utter the word Bank any longer ....

Thank you for you great suggestion .... let me make a note of it..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:21 PM

87. Interesting, after Googling Matt Taibbi

I still don't know who the f he is. I must be a bad person.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:48 PM

89. I'm getting rid of my Tabby Cat

DURec

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #89)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:33 PM

127. LOL.

That evil Tabby must be a sympathizer

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:48 PM

90. maybe he gets paid by the word.

clear ,short,and to the point is`t his writing style.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:12 AM

92. Not even to get directions to the loo?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:13 AM

93. Lions and tigers and bears

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:15 AM

94. He's an alumni from my alma mater. Things like that don't usually mean much to me, but in this case

I'm damn proud.

Particularly since I started reading his articles before I even knew where I was going to college and didn't realize he had gone there until my junior or senior year.

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Response to Puregonzo1188 (Reply #94)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:28 AM

95. Oh yeah? Ann Coulter was *my* classmate.

I saw the humble start of her career, when she and her brethren kicked down a protest shanty town in the Arts Quad.

In fact, I think my fraternity brother... ah, never mind.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:53 AM

97. Because anything anti-Obama MUST be good!

After all, Obama is an anti-American Muslim Socialist, right?

oh, and since I am a responsible poster:

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:54 AM

103. *Snorting coffee through nose*

Thanks! Needed something to begin my Monday with . . .

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:44 AM

108. In 2004, Matt Taibi repeatedly attacked presidential candidate John Kerry

for being boring and stodgy. Are those qualities a disqualifier for the job of president?

Did you enjoy the 2nd Bush term? Good thing we didn't have that blue-blood John Kerry as our president!

Point: Matt Taibi is kind of an @sshole.

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Response to PBass (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:23 PM

129. Disqualifiers for the job of President?...No, but

....as history has painfully shown us, over and over,
those ARE qualities that WILL disqualify one from winning a national election in the USA.
QED: 2004

Of course, that Painful Reality says much more about the USA than it does about John Kerry.


It is hard for me to believe that you would chose this failure as an example,
because it supports Taibbi's grasp of reality, and NOT yours.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #129)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:47 AM

137. Pardon me, but Taibbi wasn't attacking Kerry the primary candidate,

but Kerry as the only person standing between Dumbya and a 2nd four-year term in office. Taibbi spit in the face of the Democratic party, over shallow garbage on the same level as "which candidate would you rather have a beer with?"

So your post misses the mark by a mile. Don't try to blame Taibbi's betrayal on voters being shallow.

If people only want to vote for candidates you like, then good luck to them. But here in the real world, we understand that all candidates are flawed. You might find Taibbi to be useful on banking issues, and that is fine. I would even agree.

But like I said - he's kind of an @sshole.

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Response to PBass (Reply #137)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:40 PM

140. So NOW Taibbi is a SUPERMAN...

...who single handedly caused John Kerry and the whole entire Democratic Party to lose the election in 2004 because he observed the Kerry was wooden and boring.

CLUE for PBass:
Taibbi didn't let the cat out of the bag.
Everybody already knew.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:44 AM

109. Bullshit. Don't condemn the whole over the flaw of part. He plainspokenly opened up the

whole bullshit scenario of 2007 and 2008 to the public at large. He made economics accessible and understandable to the rest of journalists in media, as well. I'll keep reading everything he writes and says.

edit: man, I hate this 'kidding-on-the-square'/no-emoticon OP stuff

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:52 AM

110. Sarcasm with my coffee,

dark, rich, and creamy... Thank you.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:47 AM

115. Judge for yourself: The original critique of Taibbi was for 3rd-Wayish praise to Republicans

for fighting TARP and we ARE talking about some exceedingly nasty Republicans here, including Inhofe

There's some point to: how should Taibbi do this without giving guys like Inhofe and others anything they doesn't deserve?

...............

Have a good day and . . .

Carry on:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022141335

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:05 PM

118. Thank You Third Way Manny!

you are my new Third-Way Guru with telepathic powers! As I get older and more conservative, I sometimes find myself curious to see who these newfangled way-out leftist writers are! Got my hands on a Rolling Stone and tried to start reading that there Matt Tabby - my eyes burst in to flame like Officer Bologna hisself was flooding them with Sabre Red pepper foam! Thanks for saving me from my self!


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:52 PM

119. Have disliked him since 2003, for this ridiculous condemnation of Wes Clark:

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:24 PM

121. I think this was sarcasm, but I'm not sure. It was too hard to read. (nt)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:25 PM

125. MannyGoldstein's weekly Rorshach blob

Useful for sorting out the sheep, the goats, the sensible woodchucks and the terminally clueless.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:35 PM

133. If you say so, Manny...

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