Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:12 PM

Is it possible to be a good Democrat while also owning an iPhone?

Knowing what we know about the Apple sweatshops, and the late Steve Job's anti-union stance, how can anyone here justify owning one?

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Is it possible to be a good Democrat while also owning an iPhone? (Original post)	apples and oranges	Jan 2012	OP
There may be one or two people in the US who own no stuff made in China	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2012	#1
No phone is made in the USA.	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#2
I hope so... I have one.. Lol	glowing	Jan 2012	#3
Which American-made, union-made mobile should I be using? nt	Codeine	Jan 2012	#4
How about Kindle, PlayStation, Xbox 360, Wii, etc.?	frazzled	Jan 2012	#5
Apple has billions in profit	apples and oranges	Jan 2012	#31
And these others don't?	frazzled	Jan 2012	#36
Im pretty sure that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Amazon also make profit	quakerboy	Jan 2012	#41
all the phones are made in shenzhen or its equivalent	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2012	#6
Under your standards you have to be pretty much a technological illiterate.	dkf	Jan 2012	#7
Yeah, as long as you don't shop at Walmart, too.	pnwmom	Jan 2012	#8
I believe that there may still be some Motorola phones made in the USA (IL and FL??)	ddeclue	Jan 2012	#9
Actually...	pipi_k	Jan 2012	#17
That's tough.	ForgoTheConsequence	Jan 2012	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#16
I'm sorry.	ForgoTheConsequence	Jan 2012	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#20
What?	ForgoTheConsequence	Jan 2012	#27
When lacking in substance, we often attempt to make up the difference with melodrama	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#57
The substance was there.	ForgoTheConsequence	Jan 2012	#59
Is it possible to own an Iphone without being an Apple Apologist?	itsrobert	Jan 2012	#11
Is it possible to go into an Apple discussion thread without someone pretending that Apple is the	Hissyspit	Jan 2012	#15
Who said that?	ForgoTheConsequence	Jan 2012	#19
Too many people associate being a good Democrat with progressive values	Gman	Jan 2012	#12
Not owning something because it was made in China changes nothing. We need better laws.	phleshdef	Jan 2012	#13
Don't fall for the GOP's tu quoque argument.	backscatter712	Jan 2012	#14
Is it possible to be a good Democrat while owning anything?	TreasonousBastard	Jan 2012	#21
When important resources are controlled	Shankapotomus	Jan 2012	#22
Semi-ethical? I'd say unethical by design. n/t	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#44
Yes, I agree.	Shankapotomus	Jan 2012	#52
I guess I am a good Democrat because I do not own an IPhone. n/t	RebelOne	Jan 2012	#23
yes	Whisp	Jan 2012	#24
What about this?	Norrin Radd	Jan 2012	#25
What computer are you typing your message on?	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#26
I have one but want to ditch it for an Android or Windows Phone.	Initech	Jan 2012	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#29
Too many dropped calls, lost data connections, server errors, you name it.	Initech	Jan 2012	#37
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#43
Of course not	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#30
It's all the same Chinese sweatshop	blogslut	Jan 2012	#32
Is it possible to be a good Democrat and also spend money?	onenote	Jan 2012	#33
Why does anyone need to justify anything to you?	REP	Jan 2012	#34
lol yes	fishwax	Jan 2012	#35
Apparently so,	MadHound	Jan 2012	#38
Hey, here's a link to the Obama 2012 campaign app!	klook	Jan 2012	#39
I don't believe you have to hold every single democratic viewpoint to be a good democrat.	cbdo2007	Jan 2012	#40
War words!	Dorian Gray	Jan 2012	#42
What Percentage Of Your Clothing Was Made in China?	NeedleCast	Jan 2012	#45
why just the iPhone? What isn't made in a sweatshop?	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#46
NO	bigwillq	Jan 2012	#47
IMO, no. I won't touch their products until there is confirmation that their subcontractors have	closeupready	Jan 2012	#48
How did you manage to post this?	metalbot	Jan 2012	#51
must be on an old wooden American made model.....	piratefish08	Jan 2012	#53
You didn't mention if you owned an iPhone or not & I'm curious to know.	pacalo	Jan 2012	#49
To maintain PURITY, one must own and use nothing	PVnRT	Jan 2012	#50
Yes, that's exactly it. You nailed it.	closeupready	Jan 2012	#54
For too many, owning an iPhone AND being a Democrat are part of their "image" --	downwardly_mobile	Jan 2012	#55
I can see an argument for contempt	Kellerfeller	Jan 2012	#60
Yes it is.	raouldukelives	Jan 2012	#56
It's not a question of what we own... or even how much we may make.	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#58

Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:15 PM

Warren DeMontague (46,908 posts)

1. There may be one or two people in the US who own no stuff made in China

under similarly questionable conditions, but not many more.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:15 PM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

2. No phone is made in the USA.

I would be glad to scale all the way back to Google Voice or Skype.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:16 PM

glowing (11,139 posts)

3. I hope so... I have one.. Lol

Seriously, what electronic doesn't come from sweat shops these days... Instead of crucifying the actual device, push for Fair Trade Agreements that uphold labor and environmental laws that we would insist for ourselves..

Kind of like "Do unto other's as you would have done unto you"... It's kind of a Golden Rule type of issue. What we can do with these devices is help to connect ourselves to one another neighbor to neighbor around the world to insist that the 99% of the world has a better shake...

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

Codeine (12,713 posts)

4. Which American-made, union-made mobile should I be using? nt

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

frazzled (9,218 posts)

5. How about Kindle, PlayStation, Xbox 360, Wii, etc.?

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They're ALL made at Foxconn. 40% of the world's electronics are made there. (The other 60% are mostly made in other Asian factories that treat their workers just as badly.)

So this is really about Apple, isn't it? The Apple bashing has been going on since the early 90s. I remember when everyone used to scoff at Apple computers, because they were for "babies." Then everyone adopted the Mac operating system schema, and people had to turn to other things.

The Foxconn controversy is not going to cut it, though--because most of you typing out your screeds on another product are just as guilty as we who rely on Macs.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

apples and oranges (1,140 posts)

31. Apple has billions in profit

They could switch to American factories if they wanted to.

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Response to apples and oranges (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:31 PM

frazzled (9,218 posts)

36. And these others don't?

Here is a list of the major customers of Foxcomm; they are all highly profitable. They could conceivably all bring these jobs home to their respective countries if they wanted. So don't make this an Apple issue alone:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
In 2011, Amazon and Foxconn formed a joint-design manufacturing company. The move was meant to produce an Amazon branded smartphone sometime in 2012.
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)

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Response to apples and oranges (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:25 AM

quakerboy (10,630 posts)

41. Im pretty sure that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Amazon also make profit

and could, were they willing to make slightly less profit, start American factories to buy their components from.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:19 PM

Warren Stupidity (32,369 posts)

6. all the phones are made in shenzhen or its equivalent

you think the 'android' lines are different to work on than the 'iphone' lines?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:20 PM

dkf (33,417 posts)

7. Under your standards you have to be pretty much a technological illiterate.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:20 PM

pnwmom (43,749 posts)

8. Yeah, as long as you don't shop at Walmart, too.

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Can you be a good Democrat while buying anything from China?
While anything you don't know the exact providence of?
While living on the grid?
While mucking up the air with pollutants?
While using a sewer system?
While eating meat?

There are so many things a good Democrat can feel guilty about . . .

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:28 PM

ddeclue (16,733 posts)

9. I believe that there may still be some Motorola phones made in the USA (IL and FL??)

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Response to ddeclue (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:56 PM

pipi_k (16,468 posts)

17. Actually...

Motorola can kiss my ass.

I bought one about four or five years ago that didn't even last two years. What pissed me off was that I hardly used it and took very good care of it.

One day it just died for no reason.

Since then I've bought phones made in China.

No problems. One I even passed down to my daughter when her phone broke.

Motorola...ptui!

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:33 PM

ForgoTheConsequence (1,161 posts)

10. That's tough.

Its almost a must to have a cell phone these days. It however isn't a must to get a new cell phone every year just because APPLE tells you that you need it. It also isn't a must to worship a company like Apple because they have sold you a progressive image. My cell phone is 5 years old, it works fine. It doesn't have a glowing Apple on the back of it though, so I guess I lose some cool points there. However I sleep better at night knowing I don't buy into the consumerist nonsense that so many "progressives" have gotten caught up in.

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Response to Tesha (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:02 PM

ForgoTheConsequence (1,161 posts)

18. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to offend you, I know your type and the persecution you face on a daily basis.

It really is a shame. Someday Apple users and consumerists all around this great country of ours will break the chains of oppression and be free to worship the shiny glowing Apple, and be free to wait in line for the new Samsung Galaxy cell phone without being heckled and called "losers" by passersby and be free to text and walk at the same time without being called a "jerk" when they run into people. For that is how they were created by their maker. Amen.

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Response to Tesha (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:28 PM

ForgoTheConsequence (1,161 posts)

27. What?

I'm in jail? Huh? Because I don't own an Apple product?

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:53 AM

LanternWaste (16,518 posts)

57. When lacking in substance, we often attempt to make up the difference with melodrama

When lacking in substance, we often attempt to make up the difference with melodrama. And although it's both petulant and ineffectual, more often than not, we rationalize to ourselves that self-defined clever rejoinders are both valid and relevant.

While it may appear to work very well on AM radio talk-shows, it does a much less than adequate job in reality.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:47 PM

ForgoTheConsequence (1,161 posts)

59. The substance was there.

It appeared to escape you however.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:35 PM

itsrobert (9,112 posts)

11. Is it possible to own an Iphone without being an Apple Apologist?

Apparently not. The ends justify the means.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:52 PM

Hissyspit (40,409 posts)

15. Is it possible to go into an Apple discussion thread without someone pretending that Apple is the

only evil technology corporation?

Apparently not.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:02 PM

ForgoTheConsequence (1,161 posts)

19. Who said that?

Quote them.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:38 PM

Gman (21,197 posts)

12. Too many people associate being a good Democrat with progressive values

as conservatives do the same with the GOP. Being progressive and being a Democrat are not necessarily the same thing. While both share some common values, there are other issues where they split. Labor issues come to mind immediately. Often the different groups in the Democratic Party have conflicting goals (Keystone Pipeline) that makes, for example, saying being against the Keystone Pipeline is a progressive value and a Democratic value when Labor is one of the 3 pillars of the Democratic Party and many in labor support the pipeline.

As for iPhones, sure you can be a good Democrat and own an iPhone.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:45 PM

phleshdef (8,344 posts)

13. Not owning something because it was made in China changes nothing. We need better laws.

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Nothing will actually change until we actually take a stand against sweatshop labor enterprise in the form of legislation. Thats about as silly as free market fairy nonsense. The rest is just a bunch of fruitless grandstanding meant to make people feel like they did something fucking decent (while accomplishing nothing at all in the process).

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:49 PM

backscatter712 (20,391 posts)

14. Don't fall for the GOP's tu quoque argument.

For those of you with an insufficient understanding of Latin, or logical fallacies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Tu quoque (play /tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a kind of logical fallacy. It is a Latin term for "you, too" or "you, also". A tu quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view on an issue on the argument that the person is inconsistent in that very thing. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:24 PM

TreasonousBastard (21,070 posts)

21. Is it possible to be a good Democrat while owning anything?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:30 PM

Shankapotomus (2,407 posts)

22. When important resources are controlled

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by semi-ethical corporations with virtual monopolies on production and distribution, it is not so much a crime to use those resources as it is to not point out the questionable means of production and publicly call for changes. We all here object to companies benefiting off of slave to slave-like labor. The more egregious consumers are the ones who utilize such products and don't vocalize their issue with it or take no issue with it at all.

If you can get off these products of questionable means of production, by all means, go for it. But whether you can or not the point is to keep pushing these companies to change, keep exposing the abuses. They won't like the hit to their image and perhaps that will induce change.

As far as Apple is concerned, as bad as it was for them to accept such labor and for this long, now that it is becoming publically exposed, I don't expect Apple would tolerate operating with this contradiction much longer without resolving it in some way.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:08 AM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

44. Semi-ethical? I'd say unethical by design. n/t

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:04 AM

Shankapotomus (2,407 posts)

52. Yes, I agree.

Poor word choice on my part.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:31 PM

RebelOne (27,011 posts)

23. I guess I am a good Democrat because I do not own an IPhone. n/t

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:33 PM

Whisp (17,888 posts)

24. yes

if we had to exclude everything corporation money grubbing from our use and lives we would be naked and sitting out in the rain. Don't feel guilty - use your iPhone to call people up and tell them what a selfish ahole Jobs was.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:35 PM

Norrin Radd (4,884 posts)

25. What about this?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:06 PM

MineralMan (54,722 posts)

26. What computer are you typing your message on?

Check the labels. What you are asking is a stupid question. If you use technology, you're using stuff made in China. Where did you think it came from? That has nothing to do with the politics of the user.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:38 PM

Initech (39,570 posts)

28. I have one but want to ditch it for an Android or Windows Phone.

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Response to Tesha (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:22 PM

Initech (39,570 posts)

37. Too many dropped calls, lost data connections, server errors, you name it.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:11 PM

SaintPete (533 posts)

30. Of course not

and the very fact that you have to ask makes us doubt your good standing....

What city do you live in again?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:56 PM

blogslut (27,331 posts)

32. It's all the same Chinese sweatshop

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...no matter the gadget. If you own a computer, cellphone, game console or any other device, it was made with Chinese labor.

Apple isn't the only company and it isn't the only company making billions of dollars by looking the other way.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

onenote (22,032 posts)

33. Is it possible to be a good Democrat and also spend money?

That seems to be the unspoken subtext of some of the complaints about "consumerists". I don't buy a new phone every time one comes out, but if people who have the resources and desire choose to do so and it contributes to my local phone store having enough business to employ my neighbors, why should I be opposed to that?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

REP (18,497 posts)

34. Why does anyone need to justify anything to you?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:01 PM

fishwax (25,189 posts)

35. lol yes

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:24 PM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

38. Apparently so,

Since Obama gave his blessing by inviting Jobs' widow to the SOTU address.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:30 PM

klook (4,469 posts)

39. Hey, here's a link to the Obama 2012 campaign app!

I'm sure a few iPhone-owning (and iPad-owning) good Democrats will want to check it out.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:43 PM

cbdo2007 (6,675 posts)

40. I don't believe you have to hold every single democratic viewpoint to be a good democrat.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:14 AM

Dorian Gray (7,588 posts)

42. War words!

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:16 AM

NeedleCast (8,827 posts)

45. What Percentage Of Your Clothing Was Made in China?

Is it possible for people who wear clothes to be a good Democrat?

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:29 AM

fascisthunter (28,619 posts)

46. why just the iPhone? What isn't made in a sweatshop?

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Just look at everything you buy... not much is being bought from American manufacturers.

Another simplistic post.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:31 AM

bigwillq (59,674 posts)

47. NO

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:36 AM

closeupready (19,722 posts)

48. IMO, no. I won't touch their products until there is confirmation that their subcontractors have

changed their ways. I will not support companies that help fuel sweatshops and subsistence labor.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:03 AM

metalbot (369 posts)

51. How did you manage to post this?

Presumably on a computer that was made by a collection of Asian subcontractors?

It's convenient to have some outrage at Apple about a phone that you don't own, but less convenient to be outraged at yourself for using computer equipment that you want to use...

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Response to metalbot (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:08 AM

piratefish08 (3,054 posts)

53. must be on an old wooden American made model.....

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:44 AM

pacalo (20,916 posts)

49. You didn't mention if you owned an iPhone or not & I'm curious to know.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:54 AM

PVnRT (13,177 posts)

50. To maintain PURITY, one must own and use nothing

Everything is bad and evil, therefore the only way to be a good liberal is to sit in the woods and do nothing.

Wait, you'd have to disrupt nature to eat and shit. Better to just kill yourself so you can't continue doing more harm

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Response to PVnRT (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:14 AM

closeupready (19,722 posts)

54. Yes, that's exactly it. You nailed it.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:39 AM

downwardly_mobile (137 posts)

55. For too many, owning an iPhone AND being a Democrat are part of their "image" --

the image of being a certain type of contemporary upper-middle class American.

You can go down the list:

owning iCrap
shopping at Whole Foods, or at "CSA"s (not the Confederate States of America)
being rich but always dressing down
living in a "cool" neighborhood (or supporting a staycationing hipster young adult son or daughter in such a neighborhood)
used to think PBS was cool, now the cool channel is HBO
used to think Starbucks was cool, but that's too mass market now (it has to be Stumpytown or whatnot at a non-chain shop)
and yes, being a Democrat.

These aren't Democrats who are particularly progressive on economic issues, but they are, for better or for worse, Democrats.

Well, every vote helps, I guess!

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Response to downwardly_mobile (Reply #55)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:03 PM

Kellerfeller (397 posts)

60. I can see an argument for contempt

for most of the things on your list, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them.

However, i don't understand the problem with "being rich but always dressing down ". Are rich people supposed to dress rich??

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:49 AM

raouldukelives (2,408 posts)

56. Yes it is.

It's possible these days to support illegal rendition & drone strikes on civilians and be a good Democrat. Certainly owning a phone made by slave labor isn't a big jump.

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Response to apples and oranges (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:59 AM

LanternWaste (16,518 posts)

58. It's not a question of what we own... or even how much we may make.

It's not a question of what we own... or even how much we may make.

However, the relevant, ethical question is how we may or may not use our possessions and our income to better lift those around us.

"Sit, Ubu, sit..."

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General Discussion (Forum)

Is it possible to be a good Democrat while also owning an iPhone?

1. There may be one or two people in the US who own *no* stuff made in China

2. No phone is made in the USA.

3. I hope so... I have one.. Lol

4. Which American-made, union-made mobile should I be using? nt

5. How about Kindle, PlayStation, Xbox 360, Wii, etc.?

31. Apple has billions in profit

36. And these others don't?

41. Im pretty sure that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Amazon also make profit

6. all the phones are made in shenzhen or its equivalent

7. Under your standards you have to be pretty much a technological illiterate.

8. Yeah, as long as you don't shop at Walmart, too.

9. I believe that there may still be some Motorola phones made in the USA (IL and FL??)

17. Actually...

10. That's tough.

18. I'm sorry.

27. What?

57. When lacking in substance, we often attempt to make up the difference with melodrama

59. The substance was there.

11. Is it possible to own an Iphone without being an Apple Apologist?

15. Is it possible to go into an Apple discussion thread without someone pretending that Apple is the

19. Who said that?

12. Too many people associate being a good Democrat with progressive values

13. Not owning something because it was made in China changes nothing. We need better laws.

14. Don't fall for the GOP's tu quoque argument.

21. Is it possible to be a good Democrat while owning anything?

22. When important resources are controlled

44. Semi-ethical? I'd say unethical by design. n/t

52. Yes, I agree.

23. I guess I am a good Democrat because I do not own an IPhone. n/t

24. yes

25. What about this?

26. What computer are you typing your message on?

28. I have one but want to ditch it for an Android or Windows Phone.

37. Too many dropped calls, lost data connections, server errors, you name it.

30. Of course not

32. It's all the same Chinese sweatshop

33. Is it possible to be a good Democrat and also spend money?

34. Why does anyone need to justify anything to you?

35. lol yes

38. Apparently so,

39. Hey, here's a link to the Obama 2012 campaign app!

40. I don't believe you have to hold every single democratic viewpoint to be a good democrat.

42. War words!

45. What Percentage Of Your Clothing Was Made in China?

46. why just the iPhone? What isn't made in a sweatshop?

47. NO

48. IMO, no. I won't touch their products until there is confirmation that their subcontractors have

51. How did you manage to post this?

53. must be on an old wooden American made model.....

49. You didn't mention if you owned an iPhone or not & I'm curious to know.

50. To maintain PURITY, one must own and use nothing

54. Yes, that's exactly it. You nailed it.

55. For too many, owning an iPhone AND being a Democrat are part of their "image" --

60. I can see an argument for contempt

56. Yes it is.

58. It's not a question of what we own... or even how much we may make.

1. There may be one or two people in the US who own no stuff made in China