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Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:07 PM

Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy leads campaign against legal pot

Source: Reuters

Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy leads campaign against legal pot

By Alex Dobuzinskis

Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:08pm EST

(Reuters) - Retired Rhode Island Congressman Patrick Kennedy is taking aim at what he sees as knee-jerk support for marijuana legalization among his fellow liberals, in a project that carries special meaning for the self-confessed former Oxycontin addict.

Kennedy, 45, a Democrat and younger son of the late "Lion of the Senate" Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, is leading a group called Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) that opposes legalization and seeks to rise above America's culture war over pot with its images of long-haired hippies battling law-and-order conservatives.

Project proposals include increased funding for mental health courts and treatment of drug dependency, so those caught using marijuana might avoid incarceration, get help and potentially have their criminal records cleared.

Kennedy wants cancer patients and others with serious illnesses to be able to obtain drugs with cannabinoids, but in a more regulated way that could involve the U.S. Food and Drug Administration playing a larger role.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/05/us-usa-kennedy-marijuana-idUSBRE9040AF20130105

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Reply Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy leads campaign against legal pot (Original post)
Eugene Jan 2013 OP
rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #1
Canuckistanian Jan 2013 #7
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #2
SomethingFishy Jan 2013 #12
malcolmkyle Jan 2013 #17
Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #3
MrScorpio Jan 2013 #4
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #24
djean111 Jan 2013 #26
Cha Jan 2013 #37
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5
NotThisTime Jan 2013 #6
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
Upton Jan 2013 #25
Cliff Arnebeck Jan 2013 #9
djean111 Jan 2013 #27
Cliff Arnebeck Jan 2013 #35
djean111 Jan 2013 #38
Cliff Arnebeck Jan 2013 #40
djean111 Jan 2013 #41
jaysunb Jan 2013 #10
eridani Jan 2013 #20
TXDem72 Jan 2013 #11
loyalsister Jan 2013 #13
green for victory Jan 2013 #14
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #15
madinmaryland Jan 2013 #16
malcolmkyle Jan 2013 #18
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #33
tritsofme Jan 2013 #19
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #21
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #22
Upton Jan 2013 #23
Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #28
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #32
madrchsod Jan 2013 #29
OccupyManny Jan 2013 #30
Ligyron Jan 2013 #31
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #36
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #39

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:12 PM

1. He is just protecting his family heritage...


...interest in the alcohol business... What Would Teddy Say?

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Response to rsmith6621 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:27 PM

7. Hahaha

Yes, I'd imagine the young Kennedy is heavily invested in Seagrams, Jack Daniels and Bacardi

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:13 PM

2. Can't believe he can't find something more productive to do and I think potheads are idiots

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:23 PM

12. "I think potheads are idiots"

Obviously the mistake in that sentence is "I think"... because you apparently don't.

I've been a "pothead" for almost 40 years. I've never lost a job, gotten in a fight, wrecked a car, stolen anything, or caused one single person any harm because of Marijuana. But I'm the idiot.

I am the sole source of support for 6 people. My wife is disabled, I have 2 sons of my own and I adopted a child with Muscular Dystrophy, I also take care of my ex-wife's mother. But I'm the idiot. (On edit: Ok the whole ex-wifes mother thing does kind of make me an idiot but she is my kids grandmother)

I pay my taxes, I get involved, I pay attention, I support good causes and donate time, money and services whenever possible. But I'm the idiot.

I try not to talk much about the weight I carry. I don't need any recognition or sympathy or pity, I love my life and although we struggle, the rewards are immense. But when someone comes up with something so.. "clever", as calling me an idiot, I feel the need to respond.

Oh and guess what? I live in Colorado where the bowl I am puffing on, and the plants growing in my closet are now LEGAL. So whatever you think, obviously a majority of people disagree with you.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:09 AM

17. Do you use alcohol?

And kindly explain why you think Carl Sagan and Barak Obama are idiots!

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:15 PM

3. Nothing like a "former" addict on a crusade. n/t

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:16 PM

4. My thoughts, exactly. nt

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:08 AM

24. Hmm...just what I was thinking.

And I am from MA, I have seen the Kennedy drunkeness in action.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:30 AM

26. Yup. Exactly.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:18 PM

37. Yeah, it's too bad.. I especially hate it when former addicts

get on their "born again" wagon and it's totally against everything they're suppose to stand for. It's like they're turned into Liars instead of drug/alcohol addicts.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:23 PM

5. Interesting he has no problem with legal alcohol

A far more dangerous and addictive drug.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:26 PM

6. Well he isn't an alcoholic, he is a recovering drug addict....

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Response to NotThisTime (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:30 PM

8. Yes, and alcohol is a drug and alcoholism is an addiction more common than addiction to other drugs

I'd be quite surprised if it turned out the good Mr Kennedy was a pot addict, probably pills is what I'd guess from someone of his social background.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:32 PM

9. Patrick Kennedy should take up leadership of the election integrity movement

The "war on drugs" in the U.S., as documented by Michelle Alexander in The New Jim Crow, was a voter suppression strategy. Marijuana was the primary drug that was targeted. Selectively targeting blacks for enforcement of drug laws was a socially acceptable covert form of racial discrimination.

Election rigging and voter suppression are the source of bad laws of all sorts. We need people of Patrick Kennedy's caliber to address that problem. Solve it and honest government and just laws will follow.

Cliff Arnebeck

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:35 AM

27. Since he is obviously all okay with arresting people for marijuana use, I somehow doubt

he would be a good fit there........and I don't believe the clearing-your-record thing would fly very far in red states.
He already has his crusade.
It is opposite of what you want him to do.
And the caliber thing is certainly iffy, in my opinion. As others here have already said, nothing more vengeful than an ex-addict who decides everyone else is as addiction-prone as he is.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 03:56 PM

35. Kennedy family traditions

Robert Kennedy, Jr. in conjunction with the Editors of Rolling Stone wrote a superb article in June 2006, authoritatively documenting the theft of the 2004 Presidential election.

The Kennedy family awarded two Profiles in Courage awards to Secretaries of State Bowen and Brunner of California and California, respectively, for having the courage to conduct and report on scientific studies of the vulnerabilities of electronic voting processes currently used in the U.S. to hacking.

Senator Ted Kennedy was the penultimate progressive political leader.

John F. and his brother Robert Kennedy stood strongly against organized crime, including of the sort practiced by elements within our national security/military complex.

Patrick Kennedy as a U.S. Rep. threatened to file an racketeering claim against the Republicans in connection with their criminal fundraising tactics.

Patrick Kennedy belongs on the progressive side of the marijuana issue. He is needed on that side. He should be approached by a delegation that includes Michelle Alexander--the best advocate on the progressive side of this issue.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:07 PM

38. The cause you espouse is a good one.

But Patrick is not your guy. Patrick cannot be made into your guy.

Besides, first thing, any Kennedy family traditions - just do not count here. Patrick's actions are the only things that count.
Being a Kennedy obviously didn't make him into a responsible person.
From post #28:

A Brief History of Pat the Junkie:

This guy was 'treated' for cocaine abuse as a high school student, then later in the 80's he was a drunken drug addict college student. His drug taking continued until 2006 when he went into treatment for oxycontin addiction, hillbilly heroin they call it.
He was 'the other guy' present when William Kennedy Smith was accused of raping a woman, Patrick was with them.
Patrick Kennedy assaulted a female security guard at LAX in 2000. He paid a big settlement out of his family's bootleg fortune.
Also in 2000, he abandoned a boat he'd rented in the Vineyard, it was found with 28,000 dollars in damages.Same year, same place, different boat, Coast Guard called to stop a fight he was having with his date.
By 2006 this junkie was in Congress, on junk! This allowed him to crash his car on Capitol Hill and get arrested. He went back to the Mayo clinic for 'treatment' as he had done for the same drug problems in the past, more than once since the early 80's.

Maybe it can be said that Patrick is not exactly a credit to the Kennedy name and heritage.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:28 PM

40. Don't write off Patrick Kennedy or underestimate Michelle Alexander's power of persuasion

Against the backdrop of heinous political assassinations of leading family members, depression and seeking relief from depression can be expected. Patrick Kennedy has had his share of human problems. However, the goodness and strength he has also exhibited make him a candidate in my view to be open to persuasion by a well presented case. Michelle Alexander's book is of Biblical quality. And, she is the finest oralist I have ever heard.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:53 PM

41. Well, then, good luck with that.

Have you discussed this with Michelle Alexander? I would start with her!
I just have opinions, after all.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:07 PM

10. Former drunks and drug addicts

really burn my ass w/ their fucked up self righteousness,

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:11 AM

20. Why do they think they have the right to demand that the rest of society force them--

--to stop being self-destructive? What about personal responsibility?

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:09 PM

11. Why do recovering addicts think

Other people can't handle their shit?

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:41 PM

13. My experience with advocates for medical marijuana

is that they want to focus on the medicinal qualities. There is a feeling that advocates for recreational use disregard the urgency of their needs.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:57 PM

14. cannabinoids

 

Kennedy wants cancer patients and others with serious illnesses to be able to obtain drugs with cannabinoids, but in a more regulated way that could involve the U.S. Food and Drug Administration playing a larger role.


And THERE you have it! Kennedy wants to preserve pharmas control.

"They" are realizing that the word is getting out on the us federal patent on the use of cannabinoids and are getting their talking points in line...

"in a more regulated way"

Maybe someone could tell Kennedy that the patent is being sliced up and awarded as he types.

The Drug war was primarily about protecting pharma.

This is despicable.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:25 PM

15. So he wants to punish responsible cannabis users because, why??

Because HE was an irresponsible Oxycontin user.

Well of course. That makes perfect sense.

What a maroon.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:26 PM

16. ^^^^ This!

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:10 AM

18. We have all been here before

Here follows an extract from "Notes on Democracy" by Henry Louis Mencken, written in 1926, during alcohol prohibition (1919-1933):

The Prohibitionists, when they foisted their brummagem cure-all upon the country under cover of the war hysteria, gave out that their advocacy of it was based upon a Christian yearning to abate drunkenness, and so abolish crime, poverty and disease. They preached a millennium, and no doubt convinced hundreds of thousands of naive and sentimental persons, not themselves Puritans, nor even democrats.

That millennium, as everyone knows, has failed to come in. Not only are crime, poverty and disease undiminished, but drunkenness itself, if the police statistics are to be believed, has greatly increased. The land rocks with the scandal. Prohibition has made the use of alcohol devilish and even fashionable, and so vastly augmented the number of users. The young of both sexes, mainly innocent of the cup under license, now take to it almost unanimously.

In brief, Prohibition has not only failed to work the benefits that its proponents promised in 1917; it has brought in so many new evils that even the mob has turned against it. But do the Prohibitionists admit the fact frankly, and repudiate their original nonsense? They do not. On the contrary, they keep on demanding more and worse enforcement statutes — that is to say, more and worse devices for harassing and persecuting their opponents.

The more obvious the failure becomes, the more shamelessly they exhibit their genuine motives. In plain words, what moves them is the psychological aberration called sadism. They lust to inflict inconvenience, discomfort, and, whenever possible, disgrace upon the persons they hate — which is to say, upon everyone who is free from their barbarous theological superstitions, and is having a better time in the world than they are.

They cannot stop the use of alcohol, nor even appreciably diminish it, but they can badger and annoy everyone who seeks to use it decently, and they can fill the jails with men taken for purely artificial offences, and they can get satisfaction thereby for the Puritan yearning to browbeat and injure, to torture and terrorize, to punish and humiliate all who show any sign of being happy. And all this they can do with a safe line of policemen and judges in front of them; always they can do it without personal risk.

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Response to malcolmkyle (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:04 PM

33. nice one!

In plain words, what moves them is the psychological aberration called sadism. They lust to inflict inconvenience, discomfort, and, whenever possible, disgrace upon the persons they hate — which is to say, upon everyone who is free from their barbarous theological superstitions, and is having a better time in the world than they are.

same idea here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022141596

Mencken!!

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:32 AM

19. I'm sorry the guy had an opioid problem.

But I don't see how it relates in any way to responsible adults using marijuana.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:19 AM

21. Wow, how "reasonable" to not want to throw all 70+ Million US Citizens who smoke pot in prison!

Know what? Screw you, Patrick. Just because you had a problem with an entirely different substance, is no reason to continue a failed prohibitionary approach for pot.

I can't drink alcohol. In fact, genetically, most of my family does well to stay way the fuck away from it (like some other families... um... cough) however, like with pot, alcohol PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK.

Everyone who drinks a glass of wine or two occasionally, is not an alcoholic. Same goes for pot, although even in cases of heavy, chronic use the health and social impacts from pot are positively dwarfed by alcohol, which is a far more dangerous -and physically addictive- substance.


The last line makes me wonder if he's working with Big Pharma, too. Yes, "allow" (again, how reasonable! ) sick people to use cannabinoids, but only in a patentable form which can be sold to them from Pfizer or Merck at 80 bucks a pill- NOT something they can grow in their own backyard ooo nooo!

Lastly, dude, you're on the wrong side of history. May not know it living in your insular East Coast bubble, but we here out west for sure know times are changing. Prohibition will end.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:22 AM

22. So he can't handle his drugs so he has to punish everyone now

 

What a shithook

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:06 AM

23. "his fellow liberals"..??

I don't care what his last name is,.. this alcoholic, drug addicted, drug warrior is no "fellow" anything of mine.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:39 AM

28. So some junkie, some reprobate abuser of pharmaceutical drugs wants the chemists who sold

him his opium drugs to be in charge of "drugs with cannabinoids, but in a more regulated way that could involve the U.S. Food and Drug Administration playing a larger role."
Junkie Shill. Once a junkie, always a junkie. Kennedy is a junkie from a family with huge alcohol problems, a family wealthy from illegal manufacture of alcohol no less.
Junkie Shill and hypocrite.
A Brief History of Pat the Junkie:

This guy was 'treated' for cocaine abuse as a high school student, then later in the 80's he was a drunken drug addict college student. His drug taking continued until 2006 when he went into treatment for oxycontin addiction, hillbilly heroin they call it.
He was 'the other guy' present when William Kennedy Smith was accused of raping a woman, Patrick was with them.
Patrick Kennedy assaulted a female security guard at LAX in 2000. He paid a big settlement out of his family's bootleg fortune.
Also in 2000, he abandoned a boat he'd rented in the Vineyard, it was found with 28,000 dollars in damages.Same year, same place, different boat, Coast Guard called to stop a fight he was having with his date.
By 2006 this junkie was in Congress, on junk! This allowed him to crash his car on Capitol Hill and get arrested. He went back to the Mayo clinic for 'treatment' as he had done for the same drug problems in the past, more than once since the early 80's.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:06 AM

32. Wow! The guy has some serious problems.

I had no idea it was that bad. It makes his position on the subject look absolutely ridiculous.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:54 AM

29. pot is`t additive....

the best medical pot is grow by people who would never ever work for the feds. it`s easier to get legal additive drugs in america than pot.

i really disliked born again drug addicts when they preach about government control over the problem.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:56 AM

30. Color me surprised

My wife and I have smoked pot for 20 years and we always get a clean bill of health from our doctors. My wife suffers from depression and her medication along with the pot helps tremendously.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:31 AM

31. The Kennedy clan is a good evidence of a genetic pre-disposition to addiction


But hey, if it was discovered that 10% of the population was seriously made crazy by strawberries, would we then outlaw strawberries?

Course not.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:11 PM

34. re: Big Pharma-holes

the below is from the end of this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2141505

http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/19879
“Patented Pot vs. the Herbal Gold Standard by David Malmo-Levine”

“How patented marijuana strains and medicines may threaten the re-legalization movement, curb information sharing, set up a monopoly for certain breeders and medicine producers and limit users to a more expensive and inferior product. Their economic value to the pharmaceutical houses which produce them will be directly proportional to the severity of the prohibition against the use of cannabis.”

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“GW Pharmaceutical was granted a license to grow cannabis for medical research in 1998 and it’s partner Bayer was granted a patent for Sativex in 2006. Sativex comes in a 5.5 ml spray bottle for $102 U.S. Dollars, which supplies about 51 sprays – enough for an average ten day supply. It is now available in Canada for MS and cancer pain, and has most recently become available in Britain and parts of Spain for use in the treatment of some other symptoms and syndromes.”

“GW Pharmaceutical has even patented a strain of cannabis called “Grace” in Canada. It was patented in 2005 under the Plant Breeders’ Rights Act. Under this 1994 Act, all plant species (except algae, bacteria, and fungi) are eligible for “protection” (exclusive rights to sell) for 18 years. Medicine patents last between ten to twenty years depending on the country.”

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“The modern version of this monopoly began in 1910 with the Flexner Report – a report that succeeded in closing down all the naturopathic and herbal medicine schools by the 1930′s. This report was partially engineered by the Rockefeller Foundation. The removal of these schools would assist the Rockefeller family in protecting their investments in pharmaceuticals from botanical competition. The Rockefeller Institute and Rockefeller Foundation were also key players in the development of the sciences of genetics and molecular biology – the fields in which the concepts of patenting of life-forms originated. Standard Oil – now Exxon/Mobil and a host of other oil companies – was the Rockefeller Foundation’s source of income. Interestingly, in 1927 Standard Oil became business partners with Bayer – the marketer and distributor of Sativex in Canada.”

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:00 PM

36. he's sure been paid well...

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000360&type=I

Lawyers/Law Firms $1,560,074
Casinos/Gambling $596,870
Real Estate $595,178
Health Professionals $530,727
Securities & Investment $476,675
Lobbyists $454,546

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:15 PM

39. Ah, fuck off

Ex-addict projecting his insecurities.

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