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Good article
On a repeat viewing of Steven Spielbergs Lincoln over the New Years holiday, a scene I had barely noticed the first time jumped out at me. Confederate vice-president Alexander Stephens (played with reptilian gentility by Jackie Earle Haley), in a secret meeting aboard a steamboat with Abraham Lincoln and Secretary of State William Seward, faces up to the reality that the era of slavery has come to an end. Ratification of the 13th Amendment, Stephens muses, will destroy the basis of the Southern economy and the Souths traditional way of life. We wont know ourselves anymore, he says.
If only it had been so. What an affluent slaveowner like Stephens feared most, no doubt, was the utopian vision of radical Reconstruction imagined by legendary abolitionist Thaddeus Stevens (Tommy Lee Jones in the movie), in an earlier conversation with Lincoln in the White House kitchen. Stevens envisioned a future in which all the land and property of the Southern aristocracy would be dispossessed and divided among the emancipated slaves, building a new society of free soil and free labor amid the ruins of tyranny. To put it in contemporary social-studies terms, Stevens hoped that by uprooting and destroying the Souths slave economy, one could also replace its culture.
It didnt quite work out that way. You cant boil one of the most tumultuous periods of American history down to one paragraph, but here goes: Lincoln was assassinated by a domestic terrorist and replaced by Andrew Johnson, who was an incompetent hothead and an unapologetic racist. Within a few years the ambitious project of Reconstruction fell victim to a sustained insurgency led by the Ku Klux Klan and similar white militia groups. By the late 1870s white supremacist Redeemers controlled most local and state governments in the South, and by the 1890s Southern blacks had been disenfranchised and thrust into subservience positions by Jim Crow laws that were only slightly preferable to slavery.
So even though its a truism of American public discourse that the Civil War never ended, its also literally true. Were still reaping the whirlwind from that long-ago conflict, and now we face a new Civil War, one focused on divisive political issues of the 21st century most notably the rights and liberties of women and LGBT people but rooted in toxic rhetoric and ideas inherited from the 19th century.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/welcome_to_the_new_civil_war/
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
patrice
(47,992 posts)PROGRESSIVE LABOR candidate, Henry Wallace, Roosevelt's Vice-President, narrowly lost the nomination to Harry Truman.
Since Democrats had tried, unsuccessfully, to draft Eisenhower that year, Republicans were paying very close attention to our convention, in which there was a big floor fight over the platform, especially for how Henry Wallace wanted labor oriented economic platforms that would address racism in the South. He succeeded in some version of a plank that addressed Southern racism, but Democrats from the South lead by Strom Thurmond walked out and later became Republicans, and Wallace lost the nomination . . .
which was also, essentially, the beginning of the Military Industrial Complex as a driver in economic policy under Truman and also, in foreign policy, the Cold War nuclear arms race, which later became American Exceptionalism for the OIL that MIC needs to survive.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)FDR won his last Presidential election in 1944, so he was the candidate.
patrice
(47,992 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)+1000
...you nailed it! You sort of remind me of Lincoln himself...being able to put so much in to so few words. That is an Art and I salute you for it!
patrice
(47,992 posts)Checking myself against google really wouldn't be that hard now would it.
Thanks again! Fascinating topic isn't it?
trof
(54,256 posts)When Roosevelt died, the new president Harry Truman established a highly visible President's Committee on Civil Rights and ordered an end to discrimination in the military in 1948. Additionally, the Democratic National Convention in 1948 adopted a plank proposed by Northern liberals led by Hubert Humphrey calling for civil rights; 35 southerners delegates walked out. The move was on to remove Truman's name from the ballot in the South.
This required a new party, which the Southern defectors chose to name the States' Rights Democratic Party, with its own nominee: Governor of South Carolina J. Strom Thurmond. The Dixiecrats held their convention at Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham, Alabama,[7] where they nominated Thurmond for president and Fielding L. Wright, Governor of Mississippi, for vice president. They later adopted a platform in Oklahoma City, on August 14, 1948, that said:[8]
"We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race; the constitutional right to choose one's associates; to accept private employment without governmental interference, and to learn one's living in any lawful way. We oppose the elimination of segregation, the repeal of miscegenation statutes, the control of private employment by Federal bureaucrats called for by the misnamed civil rights program. We favor home-rule, local self-government and a minimum interference with individual rights."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)passed by Congress and signed by Pres. Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon and far-seeing sens and reps, many of them then liberal and moderate Republicans from the NE, the Great Lakes states and the Pacific NW., did what was right. Lyndon pushed that Act hard, even though he knew that the Dems would lose white votes in the South for generations.
But the folks in Washington at that time weren't the ones who had been doing the really hard work for over two centuries. The people really responsible for that Act, which changed the U.S. immeasurably right before our eyes at the time, are those who fought for Civil Rights all through the bleak years from the time when slavery was introduced here until the historic marches and court cases of the post-WWII years.
We should also honor those who fought for change after the Act, and who continue to fight to this day.
Thank you all.
formercia
(18,479 posts)Former racist Southern Democrats were embraced by the GOP and taken into the fold. What could go wrong?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Now we see it in national papers. I fear it will end the same way...with force of arms.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And you fear it?
Hardly. I think you actually hope for it just so you can say "I told ya so".
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...so let me get this straight... you're saying that nadin should just keep his/her mouth shut, because if he/she speaks his/her fears, that he/she is only fomenting rumors and inciting civil unrest? So, if you think this, how do you think things are going in our society? Hunky-dory? Everything is beautiful, in it's own way, all Mack Davis and all? So what's your view on the OP?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Which in its own way was just as tragic.
But I see the similarities and grieve as well.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)with the obstructionist South and you know whereof I am speaking...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)Far too many think "discretion is the greater part of valor" is good cover for political cowardice.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)But if they do take up arms they should pay the ultimate price for treason.
Let's call the Civil War what it was - treason. The only one who used that word during the Civil War was General Sherman when he invaded South Carolina. His comment was "this is where treason began."
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)he says to the effect that that southern STATES are/were not treasonous, but the some of the people who live in them are acting treasonous.
There are several very interesting slices of legal logic discussed in the movie, I hope more folks here can see it.
Food for thought.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)But I really don't know how we could have avoided what happened after Reconstruction fell apart...this is probably the biggest reason that other countries put their treasonous actors to death...to get rid of them so they can never rise again...harsh, but true. However, I just don't see how the North could have prevailed more completely in the South...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The Reconstruction was bungled very badly by the federal government, it's the failed Reconstruction more than the war itself that caused Southerners to make one word out of "damnyankee".
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)Americans virtual slaves again through their own state legislatures and the terror of the Klan. Please do not excuse the Southerners from their responsibility to join the rest of the civilized world and outlaw slavery! You cannot seriously defend that!
As I recall, Lincoln was stopped from carrying out the Reconstruction he wanted because he was killed in an assassination, an act of terror against the state!
Please do not de-emphasize the guilt and responsibility of the South of their crimes against black people! Perhaps the Reconstruction was flawed, but a lot of it had to do with Lincoln being assassinated and succeeded by a slavery sympathizer. Terrorism has its advantages, after all, doesn't it?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'll point out how Germany now officially at least feels toward Jews, that's largely due to a well planned Reconstruction by the Allies (mostly the US) after WWII.
The South was about as thoroughly beaten after the Civil War as Germany and Japan were after WWII, it was a total war effort and left the region utterly destitute and broken, that it reverted to the old system slightly modified without the proper guidance was about as predictable as gravity.
Modern Japan and particularly Germany are the result of the brilliance of the US government in planning the rebuilding of Europe and Japan after WWII, we have the example of Germany after WWI to show how it can be done badly which lead straight to WWII less than thirty years later.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)I would probably chalk that up to the Western nations being too tolerant themselves of anti-semitism to do much, resulting in the horror of WWII where they HAD to be!
Our Reconstruction after the Civil War was probably the same as the European in WWI, because we weren't sufficiently anti-racist as a nation (and I am pointing directly at the North here). But liberalism at least has now a great foothold in the Northeast and as someone who lives there, I am very happy with it...
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)I am an avid American history junkie. I agree with Nadin.
Traveling south the last few winters made me very aware of the divide. Many in gated communities think this way. Also reading of All the militias forming and using the confederate flag as their flag and espousing racial hatred has made me realize my days of going south are over.
I just hope this does not spill over up to my country.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)They're holding back the progress of the nation and are threatening its downfall.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)that leads to the migration of African Americans to cities to escape Jim Crow, where they were forcibly and violently gheto-ized, denied the services their taxes paid for, denied education and jobs, and are now told - after centuries of generational disenfranchisement from effective citizenship - that affirmative action hurts white people.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)the great Mississippi flood of 1927. In addition to the displacement caused directly by the flood (as also happened after Katrina), Southern African Americans were responding to being repeatedly dragooned--often at gunpoint, and often after just spending endless hours on the same jobs--to work at the most dangerous tasks of sandbagging, etc., along the raging river.
Also as happened during the Katrina debacle, the homes, neighborhoods, and lives of African Americans endangered by the catastrophic flooding in 1927 were disregarded or even deliberately sacrificed by racist local and state governments, which were concerned only with assisting whites, especially those who were already well off.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)stultusporcos
(327 posts)and I fully expect they will before they are finally put down once and for all.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)and becoming downright hysterical and strident because of it. They're in "circle the wagons" mode.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)even more violent and vicious.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Many focus on the slavery of the South. Many don't look at the slavery of the North. The workhouses, company stores, etc. Sadly there are more that one was to enslave people.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)OWNING people.
Christ on a crutch.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Permanent financial debt, low wages, limited jobs, effectively keeps people from exercising a lot of options, just as the Jim Crow laws made a mockery of "freedom" post Reconstruction, while ushering in sharecropping, tenant cropping as a means of covert slavery, to both African Americans and poor whites.
Plus now we have the ills of for profit prisons using minimally paid prison labor.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)In a underhanded, dark way. They had no clue till they were in so deep that the company truly owned them. Remember the line from Tennessee Ford song "Sixteen Tons"?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
That is what many found themselves in. They could not quit the companies due to the debt they owed them. THey needed the "credit" that the company store "gave" them to by food. They were stuck. They could quit, but then the Company Store would demand payment. And back then, you could be arrested for it. If you lived in Company Housing they would throw you out. They gave you no time to find more work. To have food and a roof you sold yourself to them.
In other words, the Northern Companies owned people, but in a legal way so they could not get into any trouble.
The South used whips, the North used needs. Two different ways, same effects.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)the "Company Store" indentured servitude model was also used in the Southern Appalachian mining states. Nasty system for both races.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)The "Company Store" was use well after the Civil War. It was legal with the same results.
And the sad part is that given a way, they could start up again. With so many having debt problems companies could start something like it to "help" their employees. And end up owning their employees.
moondust
(19,963 posts)but certainly not the slave owner's mindset and white (male) supremacy that some believe are subverting democracy and creating massive inequality that may mean a slow transition back to feudalism and/or even slavery for some due to a lack of other opportunities.
trof
(54,256 posts)It was 1954.
Birmingham, Alabama.
I was thirteen and beginning to pay attention to the newspaper.
I read about the supreme court's decision and asked granny (the wisest person I knew) what it meant.
"It means they're gonna make you go to school with little nigra boys and girls."
The only 'nigras' I knew were Nathan, who cut our grass and carried out the 'clinkers' from the coal fired furnace; Dorothy, the young black woman who was our maid and cook; and George Washington Brown, the little boy whose family rented the former 'servants quarters' garage apartment next door in the alley.
I played with George every day after school. (I never wondered where HE went to school.)
I liked (and was liked, I thought) by all the nigras I knew, so I didn't see what a big deal it would be if we were classmates.
I didn't tell granny that.
Granny lost two uncles in the 'War of Northern Aggression'.
Her father was spared because he was too young to fight, although he ran away from home twice to try and volunteer.
No, sadly, the 'war' still ain't over for some down here in Dixie.
But I'm still workin' on it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I never wondered either.
Had the same experience, played with some black kids that lived behind our house, my dad had a black helper in his business and I remember them laughing and joking together all the time. Dad was an immigrant and told me several times he liked black Southerners better than white ones, said whites had no sense of humor, he also said to keep my lip zipped about it.
Then came the rise of the hippies when I was in HS and finally there were some Southerners with a sense of humor.