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Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:24 AM

 

Django Unchained is a cautionary tale for "gun enthusiasts"

It 's well known that that guns are a overwhelmingly a white guy rural phenomenon. It's also well known that the electorate is quickly becoming less white and much more urban. The message is that the gun guys need to negotiate some strong gun regualtion now while they have some power or face the wrath in the future of a much less gun friendly electorate that will pass far more draconian gun laws or even bans. In the future the political bogeyman won't be the black man but the white gun owner.

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Reply Django Unchained is a cautionary tale for "gun enthusiasts" (Original post)
MightyMopar Jan 2013 OP
cantbeserious Jan 2013 #1
aikoaiko Jan 2013 #2
Paladin Jan 2013 #4
aikoaiko Jan 2013 #9
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #5
NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #11
NickB79 Jan 2013 #34
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #61
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #38
upaloopa Jan 2013 #3
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #31
JVS Jan 2013 #32
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #35
upaloopa Jan 2013 #43
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #46
upaloopa Jan 2013 #51
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #52
upaloopa Jan 2013 #53
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #54
upaloopa Jan 2013 #55
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #56
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #6
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #17
loli phabay Jan 2013 #20
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #33
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #36
loli phabay Jan 2013 #41
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #48
frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #7
Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #8
NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #10
HappyMe Jan 2013 #12
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #13
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #18
tradecenter Jan 2013 #21
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #23
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #49
guardian Jan 2013 #24
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #40
Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #14
Skidmore Jan 2013 #15
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #16
Mopar151 Jan 2013 #26
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #29
Robb Jan 2013 #19
Recursion Jan 2013 #22
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Igel Jan 2013 #27
Recursion Jan 2013 #28
guardian Jan 2013 #25
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #30
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #42
Mopar151 Jan 2013 #57
guardian Jan 2013 #44
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #45
guardian Jan 2013 #47
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #50
Romulox Jan 2013 #60
rl6214 Jan 2013 #37
Mopar151 Jan 2013 #39
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #58
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #59
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #62

Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:32 AM

1. Old White Guy Here That Believes The 2nd Amendment Should Be Repealed

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:41 AM

2. Your tell is showing MightyMopar.


If you thought you had the numbers increased gun restrictions you wouldn't need to make this threat.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:47 AM

4. So That's What Constitutes A "Threat" These Days?


Come on, you're better than that.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:56 AM

9. Not a physical threat, but a political/legislative threat (or a "promise" as he says below).


But I'm cool with it because it shows that posters like the Mopar feel increased gun restrictions slipping away.

Truthfully, some increased regulation is needed and will happen, but the tide is pulling back on the hopes and dreams of true believer anti-RKBA advocates.


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:49 AM

5. It's not a threat it's a promise!

 

If you gun enthusiasts weren't scared s#itless, you would be buying all these military guns and ammo. If you and your highroad friends aren't scared s#itless, you wouldn't be "educating" (astroturfing) DU

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:10 AM

11. Thomas Jefferson:

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

He must have been afraid...

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:28 PM

34. 20 million guns were sold in 2012

In the past decade, we've probably added almost 70 million guns to the US.

Do you really think a few uber-rich people are stockpiling mountains of weapons?

Or is it possible that there are now far more gun owners than you'd like to admit, and that they would constitute a VERY powerful political force to stand against your "promise"?

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:59 AM

61. Your teabagger allies will desert when you run out of junk food

 

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:57 PM

38. I don't know if we have the numbers now or not but someday we will have the numbers and the will

 

Negotiate now or lose everything tomorrow.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:46 AM

3. "guns are a overwhelmingly a white guy rural phenomenon" That's pure bull shit!

That meme seems to be getting a lot of traction here at DU.

Stick to just on prejudice at a time will you?

Lately it seems some folks with extreme views feel embolden to tie a couple of their favorite hate targets together in one meme.

I would really like to see the rural white guy go into the gun store and buy one of those pink hand guns. And be sure to try that rant out on women who arm themselves as a means of protection against rape.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 03:25 PM

31. Yep. I stopped reading right there.

That I even got that far is something of a surprise, given that this thread is just the OP playing the race card yet again. But then I read that opener, rolled my eyes...and moved on the rest of the thread, ready for the inevitable high comedy certain to ensue.

Oh, and that claim is demonstrably false with only a brief examination of the numbers. The US Census Bureau estimates the rural population as c. 16% of all Americans. Adult males (that is, males eligible to own firearms) would represent no more than 5-6% of the population, or 15 to 18 million. The lowest estimate of the number of gun owners I've ever read is 60 million.

Derp.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 03:36 PM

32. "it's well known that" = "watch me make sweeping claims"

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:42 PM

35. 538 blog agrees with me, Gun ownership is a rural older white male thing

 

A demographic that is literally dying off!

fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/#more-37925

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:27 AM

43. Historically this country was rural. Historically rural Americans used guns to get food.

Historically it was the males in the family that did the hunting.

That is the rural white guy you are talking about. Guys with hunting rifles and shot guns. Your OP is misleading in the fact that you make no distinction in the type of gun or purpose for the gun.

You show your prejudice with "the rural white guy" thing then you tie guns to it trying to leave the impression that a bunch of rural white guys are building up some arsenal for no good reason other than they are rural white guys doing what ever you think rural white guys do.

You know damn well what your intentions were with this OP and it is dishonest at the least.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:49 AM

46. Are you calling me dishonest? Are you questioning Nate Silver's polling?

 

What is your challenge to the fact that rural white guys have the highest percentage of gun ownership and urban people, women and minorities have far lower percentage of gun ownership? Are you questioning reality?
fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:59 AM

51. Read what I said! The impression that you are leaving is dishonest because you leave out any

context to those statistics.

Nobody gives a shit about rural white guys with shot guns and hunting rifles but you! It is a meaning less post!

Yes your whole premise that rural white guys has anything to do with the gun debate we are having and that the reduction of white guys in society will have any effect on gun ownership is pure fucking bull shit.

Quit hiding behind Nate Silver and own up to your prejudices.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:06 PM

52. Gun ownership is declining as these old white rural guys die off. Prove the reverse or apologize!

 

Gun ownership in the United States is declining overall.

“For all the attention given to America’s culture of guns, ownership of firearms is at or near all-time lows,” writes political scientist Patrick Egan. The decline is most evident on the General Social Survey, though it also shows up on polling from Gallup, as you can see on this graph:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

.statistics obscure a trend that has gone largely unnoticed: fewer and fewer Americans own guns. Data from the General Social Survey show that rates of gun ownership have been decreasing steadily for three decades. In 1977, 54 percent of American adults lived in a household that contained a gun. By 2010, that figure had declined a full 22 percentage points to 32 percent.

The explanations for this drop vary; a declining interest in hunting and the steady exodus from rural areas to suburbs and cities almost certainly play a role. Whatever the combination of causes, there have been steady declines in gun ownership among all age groups. Of particular note is the decline among young adults. In the GSS studies in the 1970s, around 45 percent of respondents under 30 years of age reported that their household owned a gun; in the most recent surveys that number has fallen below 20 percent, a decline of more than half. The decline has also occurred among all birth cohorts.

Barring a wholesale return to rural living or a boom in hunting, it seems unlikely that this trend will reverse. Demographic diversity will also likely contribute to a continued decline in gun ownership. White males own guns at higher rates than members of other groups, while gun ownership among African-Americans is lower, and ownership among Latinos and Asians is lower still. Every projection by demographers shows whites declining as a proportion of the American population in the next few decades, and Latinos are now the country's largest and fastest-growing minority group. These factors will likely produce a continued, if not accelerated, decline in gun ownership.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/02/1070297/-Another-dying-demographic-that-the-Republicans-totally-own#

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:34 PM

53. You don't fucking give up do you? It doesn't fucking matter in our gun debates here about rural

white guys and their guns.

You said guns is a rural white guy thing. You need to add context to that statement. There is a difference between the guns in rural American and urban gun violence.

Rural white guys aren't a part of the gun violence we are trying to reduce.

Get a fucking clew!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:45 PM

54. Profanity doesn't help your case. Rural white guys temporarily stand in the way of stronger regs

 

They're dying off and being replaced in the new more diverse electorate that is for stronger gun laws. What is your rebuttal to Nate Silver's polls?

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:50 PM

55. Fine, you win I give up I'm sorry I wasted this much time with you

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #55)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:01 PM

56. Can I consider that an apology and retraction for saying I'm dishonest?

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:52 AM

6. Dude, Django shot all kinds of folks and rode off armed for bear.

Nobody got shot because they were gun enthusiasts. The movie had about nothing to do with gun control, maybe even the opposite. Django was always in a better position with a gun than without. Anytime he didn't have a gun he was fucked.

You didn't make a very clear connection to the movie at all. Did you just throw that in there as an attention grabber?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:18 AM

17. Gun enthusiasts are bragging on DU saying the guns can't be taken off them

 

It's possible guns can be taken off them with great enthusiasm down the road as the country becomes less dominated by white males.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:33 AM

20. not sure how you plan to take guns off people

 

I sure would not feel confident that i could go door to door and collect them. Would there need to be search warrants to go into homes after them and how many people would die to acheive it.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 05:26 PM

33. I still see no connection to the movie

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:48 PM

36. The gun "enthusiasts" claim there will be no appetite for taking their guns but I think otherwise

 

I bet long suffering minorities abused by white men for centuries will take on the task with great gusto backed up by the latest robotic and information technology. It might be very easy. The rest of the civilized world will cheer the new America on.

My message to you RBKAer's is you better start negotiating now so you can keep your shotguns, bolt actions and revolvers down the road.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:00 PM

41. im not sure why you think casting it as a racial thing is a good idea.

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:50 AM

48. Everything is a racial thing in America if you hadn't noticed

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:53 AM

7. Then why

does >60% of gun violence in America occur in urban/metropolitan environments? And where are the statistics to back up your claims? I ask because what you're claiming is "well known" sounds a bit like horse crap and seems to contradict published observations on the matter.

Geography of US Gun Violence
Gun Ownership by State

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:54 AM

8. Talk about a misleading title.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:06 AM

10. Sniff sniff. Do you smell that?

There is desperation in the air! If you really believed you could ban (confiscate) all guns you wouldn't be begging gun enthusiasts to help your cause.

If you want to strip me of a constitutionally protected right, you'll have to do it without my help.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:27 AM

12. What the hell?

Sorry but your "well known... white guy rural phenomenon" is just crap. Also, what does that have to do with the Django movie?

Sweeping generalizations and slapping the title of a Tarantino movie on the post doesn't help the gun control cause at all. Why are you calling black men "political bogeyman"?

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:44 AM

13. This is your second bigoted post I've read in fewer than 12 hours.

Where the hell are you heading with this?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:20 AM

18. Are you calling me a bigot?

 

Make it clear you are doing that for the record.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:48 AM

21. Not calling you a bigot.

 

Calling your post bigoted, which it is. Big difference.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:39 PM

23. Pointing out the political implication of hunderds of years or white male privelidge is bigoted?

 

So how is it bigoted? Odd the guy who made the comment doesn't reply.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:51 AM

49. BTW, what is the distinction between calling me a bigot or posting a bigoted post?

 

Educate me

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:43 PM

24. Who would do that?

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:57 PM

40. Still no answer from you. How am I a bigot?

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:51 AM

14. Seriously?

Did you see the movie? You think it is a foreboding about gun laws in the USA?

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:06 AM

15. There are guns aplenty in too many hands of all

colors. The issue is guns and their proliferation. As for DU, I haven't seen the movie yet but many of the reviews I've heard don't make me particularly want to. I'm not a big Tarantino fan.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:35 AM

16. 318 posts. interesting.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:07 PM

26. I think this poster may be trying to borrow my karma

I'd like to think that my position on this subject is somewhat more highly evolved.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:40 PM

29. scary thought, for one of you - can't decide which! *sigh*

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:20 AM

19. This is indeed a weird post.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:50 AM

22. The fear of armed minorities was historically the driving force behind gun control

And retains some significant dog whistles today in both pro-gun-control ("hunters are ok") and anti-gun-control ("gangbangers and home invasions") rhetoric, more's the pity.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:16 PM

27. ?

Odd, because typically you'd have to say that the most racist, freeperish states would be those with the strictest gun control regulations.

But the states with the strictest regulations are all pretty much reliably if not overwhelmingly (D) majority.

And many of those with fairly hefty black minority populations are also fairly liberal, at least when it comes to a lack of gun regulations.

On the other hand, there is the claim that hunters (which apparently are always white) and gangsters/home-invasion robbers are always black or at least minority.

Disproportionately, to be sure. But that's hardly the fault of the wannabe gun restricters. That's just the way the numbers break.

It's almost the opposite correlation when it comes to the use of state and federal parks and environmentalists. Both are disproportionately white. Then again, most of the campers I've seen in state/federal parks aren't environmentalists, so that correlation (also) is spurious.

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Response to Igel (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:19 PM

28. That's why I said "historically". The origin of gun control was Jim Crow

On the other hand, there is the claim that hunters (which apparently are always white) and gangsters/home-invasion robbers are always black or at least minority.

That's the evil of dog-whistles. The claim is never made, but it's assumed.

Then again, Vermont, arguably the bluest state, has one of the most liberal (small "l") gun control regimes in the country.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:54 PM

25. Are these some of the 'rural white guys' that you are talking about?

 







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Response to guardian (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 03:09 PM

30. Pictures of Danica Patrick and Juan Carlos Montoya don't prove NASCAR isn't white male dominated

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:07 AM

42. Exactly! Or not, I'm not sure. Are you a friend of Mopar151?

All these Mopars and me, just a British Motors kind of chap!

Give me SU carbs any day!


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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:27 PM

57. Just a coattail rider, AFIK, and not well informed.

SU's ain't half bad, if you know somebody handy with 'em. They are works of art compared to old Carter and Autolite 1 & 2 barrels.

I know plenty of country boys who are heavily armed - but it's about 90% long guns, and magazine capacaties, etc. are in line with Fish & Game laws. The "collectors" and "enthusiasts" are townies and suburbanites.

"Handguns are made for killin'
Ain't good for nuthin' else
And if you like to drink cold whiskey
Ya might even shoot yo'self
Why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
'Fore some fool come around here
Want to shoot either you or me?"

Ronnie Van Zant / "Lynrd Skynrd"

I made a reply to a post by "farminator 3000" last week that she took offense to - now I have a "coattail rider" who uses very similar rhetoric and logic.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:27 AM

44. Let me use small words

 

so maybe then the anti gunners will be able to understand. This whole racial line that guns are a "rural white guy" thing is a LIE. Below is a quick breakdown of gun ownership by race in the U.S.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

White 44%
Black 27%
Other non-white 27%

For those who are mathematically challenged, 44% ownership by whites is a smaller number than 54% ownership by nonwhites. Though as the antigunners operate on emotion rather than logic or facts I sure they all will ignore the above statistic. Further, when confronted by facts the antigunners just demonize those with whom they disagree. So who will be the first to call me a Nazi, nuts, psychotic, neanderthal, murderer, dickless, coward, or any of the other litany of invective simply because I confronted you with a fact.

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Response to guardian (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:43 AM

45. No I'll just call you mathematically challenged!

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:49 AM

47. I find it interesting that the

 

biggest ass clowns are incapable of looking in the mirror.

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Response to guardian (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:53 AM

50. They offer remedial math classes down at the community college

 

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Response to guardian (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:19 AM

60. Just like the "female patriarchy" mentioned on another thread, these are merely

"white men of color"!

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:54 PM

37. Yeah, tell that to all my Hispanic friends, neighbors and RELATIVES

 

Another race baiting thread brought to you by not so mightymopar

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:16 PM

39. How do you define "rural"?

If your definition includes being acquainted with the business end of a shovel in an agricultural setting, it pretty well excludes the sort of gun enthusiasts (fetishists?) you are targeting.
The scariest ones I've run into were very suburban, and not hunters.

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Response to MightyMopar (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:45 PM

58. Gun culture has crossed all racial barriers

The fact you're trying to frame it to fit some other agenda means you aren't ready to have a serious discussion about it.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:14 AM

59. Gun culture is fading among whites while Hispanics and blacks are already against it

 

"Gun ownership has declined over the past 40 years — but almost all of the decrease has come from Democrats. By 2010, according to the General Social Survey, the gun ownership rate among adults that identified as Democrats had fallen to 22 percent. It remained at about 50 percent among Republican adults."
ivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #59)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:37 AM

62. Do you happen to have the numbers for homicides committed with a gun by race

Just curious....I can provide them if you'd like. From the DOJ too.

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