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Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:26 PM

Steubenville is a symptom

Of the jock culture where shit like this is protected.

It s also a symptom of how far back we are going with women's rights.

I hope exposure helps to change that, but ain't holding my breath.

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Reply Steubenville is a symptom (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #1
2naSalit Jan 2013 #2
freshwest Jan 2013 #3
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #5
2naSalit Jan 2013 #13
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #4
Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2013 #6
Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2013 #7
white_wolf Jan 2013 #8
Skittles Jan 2013 #9
DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #12
starroute Jan 2013 #10
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #11

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:43 PM

1. And not just of jock culture. Of our entire misogynistic culture.

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:44 PM

2. I do believe you're right...

I have been mulling over the same thought process for days now. Having been educated in cultural anthropology I must say that this is a form of tribalism gone terribly awry as well as clear evidence of a sociopathic pox on our house. It is perpetuated by those in power... just look at the current war on women...

As Oscar Arias told me years ago, "Until women are given decision-making power in government and in their own homes, there can be no peace in this world." I would add to that by stating that respect is essential in any healthy society, if there is no self respect as well as respect for others, there is no social fabric upon which to thrive as a people.

It makes me cringe to think of this story, and those about male on male rapes as well. I have known many rape victims of both types and was the child of a pedophile, so I have some background knowledge about how sick this all is. When I tried to report my father, people would not only brush my claims aside because he was "such a nice man" they would also tell on me and I would be beaten nearly to death. When he beat me and I escaped and went to the police, I was put in a cell like a criminal and held until he came and got me so I could be beaten again. I have years of sordid tales of my youth but suffice it to say that these beings are well protected by some tribal connection that is based on the concept that women, and vulnerable people in general, are not fully human but objects to do with what one will... often it's pretty gruesome.

It will take more than the legal system to change a centuries old paradigm, it will take a massive revolt like women refusing to have any kind of affectionate interaction with all men for a length of time, and to defend their safety from the ones who can't manage to exercise restraint by deadly force if need be. It will take nothing less than that, I am truly convinced of this... sadly.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:48 PM

3. Thank you.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:39 PM

5. There is truth in what you say.

I am lucky to share a marriage of absolute mutual resect, but know hw rare it is.

Hubby and I have talked about this.

I will take it a step beyond when speaking of the culture.

We live in a series of tribes and our general culture is degenerating. (If that was possible). Part of it s the decline of empire. Part of it is the series of submissive relationships we have. You know this from Anthropology.

For the record, this is not limited to the US. As a medic I had to go head to head with male doctors and rape victims and advocate for them, doubly so for male patients. Getting the cops to listen was pulling teeth, doubly so with male patients.

Hugs. Which I know is more tan you were offered.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:33 PM

13. Thanks for hugs and

I agree with all of what you added here.

Change has to come at all levels for anything to be different for women and those perceived as vulnerable.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:02 PM

4. K&R

The whole situation makes me sick. God, how I hate football jocks.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:39 PM

6. You're right. nt

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:45 PM

7. It might sound stupid, but gay men are such a relief to me

particularly when I hear things like these involving such violence against women. I think of gay men and think feel very comforted. I know, it's a stupid and silly thought to have.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:53 PM

8. It's our entire culture of discrimination.

though I do hold a grudge against jocks. I think it is a sign of our entire culture. The U.S. is full of institutions that exclude women. Various religious and social organizations either ban women from leadership roles or in some cases ban them all together. It's also true in many professional settings. For instance, according a NYT article, only 17% of the partners in major law firms are women and I'm betting it's not much better in other settings. These institutions, at least the religious ones, are rarely challenged and when you accept this type of discrimination it will eventually manifest itself in other parts of society. There may very well always be rapists, but they wouldn't be hidden and protected if we didn't have a culture that devalues women.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:14 PM

9. the fact that there has never been a female president

speaks volumes

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:31 AM

12. yes, though I will say

There are plenty of females that I would NOT want in that position, if only because they would reinforce those same damned stereotypes, and no, I do not just mean Palin or bachmann, though they fit the bill.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:09 PM

10. The lid may finally be coming off, though

If it does, thank Anonymous, which is very good at getting its teeth into an issue and not letting go.

Greg Mitchell is reporting a few interesting tidbits:

http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-on-steubenville-rape-case-and.html

Traci Lords, the former porn actress who long ago went legit as actress/writer/director, tweeted tonight that she had been raised in Steubenville and raped there--and left before she got to the "Big Red" high school. (Her bio says rape occurred at age 10.) Roseanne Barr then tweeted that she had invited her on her Sunday show. Full tweet @thetracilords: "I was born in Steubenville. Raped in Steubenville. And left just before I was to attend Big Red High. #escaped ." . . .

Anonymous group plans another rally on courthouse steps in Steubenville tomorrow. They had one last week that drew 300 to 400. There's also a counter-protest from those claiming locals are getting unfairly tarred.

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Response to starroute (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:11 PM

11. Good, but we also need to deal with the general culture.

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