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http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/01/04/former_head_of_us_mint_says_trillion_dollar_coin_is_legal.htmlFormer Head of U.S. Mint Says Trillion Dollar Coin is Legal
Philip Diehl, head of the U.S. Mint from 1994-2000, tells Capital New York that the minting of a trillion dollar coin to circumvent a fight over the debt ceiling is perfectly legal.
Diehl was head of the Mint when the law giving authorization for such a move was passed and says, "My understanding of how this all works suggests that this is a viable alternative."
He added: "One of the ironies in this story is that a GOP Congress passed the legislation over the objections of a Democratic Treasury, and now, today, Treasury may well be in a position to use the law as leverage to neutralize the GOP's threat to hold the debt limit hostage."
The Daily Beast has more on the possible tactic.
derby378
(30,252 posts)I have a $1 trillion note from Zimbabwe at home that I purchased for a mere two bucks. Germany tried something similar during the Weimar period, but I think it was simply to keep up with runaway inflation.
If you're going to have a $1 trillion coin minted by the US, for starters, it can't be made out of platinum. Rhodium or iridium might be more suitable. And you'll need a bunch of either - I'm thinking of a coin at least the size of an Eisenhower dollar.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)any time soon.
The rationale behind the coin is that coins are not subject to the debt ceiling, because they're usually of such small denominations.
Shrek
(3,977 posts)The statute seems to require it:
derby378
(30,252 posts)We might need some inspiration from the Yap islanders and their stone coinage:
Shrek
(3,977 posts)The coin doesn't have to be minted from $1 trillion worth of platinum.
According to the statute, it can be denominated in whatever value the secretary assigns to it.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Denomination of the coin is 100% at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury.
He could make it the size of a dime, put Herbert Hoover's face on the thing, and decide the denomination is $1 Trillion.
Remember, the former head of the mint was part of a DEMOCRATIC Treasury department that opposed the bill that eventually became this law because it gave the Treasury Secretary far more power than the DEMOCRATIC Treasury department thought he should have.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)When your currency's number-to-the-USD ratio is an exponential curve on a logarithmic scale. It peaked around one hundred sextillion percent per year.
dkf
(37,305 posts)No checks on spending seems scary to me.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The check on spending is what it has been since the ratification of the Constitution: Spending by the federal government may be made only pursuant to a law passed by Congress, and either signed (or not vetoed) by the President or passed again by Congressional supermajorities to override the President's veto.
What's looming in our immediate future is contradictory legislation: Congress passes revenue bills and appropriation bills that create a shortfall, but prohibits the President from borrowing to make up the difference. In effect, the President would be directed to make two plus two equal five.
That isn't a check on spending. It's pure political irresponsibility.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Medicare spending is open ended to cover what is needed. So are many safety net items.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Historically, there's been no sudden surge in obligations under Medicare and similar programs that caused the government to bump up against the debt ceiling. It's just the simple fact that the budget is generally in deficit, with the total debt growing at a fairly predictable rate. As it approaches the ceiling, Congress raises the ceiling.
I'm not sure if you're arguing that the debt ceiling is a good idea because it provides a check on spending that isn't appropriated in specific dollar amounts. For example, if a sudden economic catastrophe of some sort meant that millions of people were thrown out of work, with the result of increased safety net obligations (at a time of reduced tax revenues), would it be a good thing for the debt ceiling to kick in and put a check on that spending? In my book it would make the catastrophe even worse.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I hope some rich asshole tosses it to some homeless guy out of contempt thinking it's a penny or something.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)it so..
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-united-states-mint-make-single-platinum-trillion-dollar-coin/8hvJbLl6
The gops were more than Fine with raising the debt ceiling for cheney-bush wars.. but, when it comes to helping the US, her citizens, and the economey.. they manufacture Con bullshit.
Thanks babylonsistah
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)It's just a matter of doing it.
PB
WooWooWoo
(454 posts)how does printing a trillion dollar coin effect the debt ceiling?
does the treasury just print it - and like, hand it over to someone like you would a check?
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)The coin goes into the general account at the Fed. This means the Treasury can write checks without additional borrowing.
But try reading this if you want a fuller understanding:
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/12/new-msm-trillion-dollar-coin-wave-heres-the-big-story.html
banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)I suspect this is just an internet hoax.