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Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:54 PM

Ok Quick Question about all these pay stubs

Before my question I should give a tad of background on the poster, me. While I have low post count I have been a DU member since 2004. It was self imposed lurker-dom. I knew if I was logged on I'd spend way more time posting on this site then I should. So I did not check the box to stay logged in.

Ok fast forward to Oct 2012. The news peeps were scaring the shit out of me saying romney was going to win. I am bad at change and while this site upgraded I still preferred the old site. But I was motivated so I made the switch and activated my account on the new well old by now ver of DU and this time I checked the stay logged on box.

So I went from about 20 post over 8 years to 200 in 3 months.

Ok the question.

When the payroll tax was first started, were there lots of people with low post counts and extremely short membership time posting "I just got my pay stub and I am taking home 25$ more whoo hoo I'm rich now tanx Prez Obama." ??

I remember lots of comments about "when do I get my stimulus money Obama promised" from people in the real and cyber world. Probably saw it there too but I am getting old and sometimes forget things.

But I also remember not long after the payroll tax holiday was started economist and money people were praising Obama for the way he did this stimulus as by not giving at once it would be sent and help the economy.

So to most of the people sharing with the world that they are making 20$ less now and they just noticed this and how unfair it is blah blah blah what rock have you been under for the last two years? Never mind it was a rhetorical question.

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Reply Ok Quick Question about all these pay stubs (Original post)
kydo Jan 2013 OP
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
doc03 Jan 2013 #2
elleng Jan 2013 #3
Sheepshank Jan 2013 #4
tammywammy Jan 2013 #6
BainsBane Jan 2013 #5
tammywammy Jan 2013 #7
BainsBane Jan 2013 #8
tammywammy Jan 2013 #10
malaise Jan 2013 #9
CJCRANE Jan 2013 #11
kydo Jan 2013 #12
CJCRANE Jan 2013 #13
kydo Jan 2013 #14

Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:59 PM

1. Republican rhetoric is effective because it assumes that people are either stupid or distracted

The fact is that people are easy to fool, particularly if you tell them something they want to hear.

People watching a video will quite literally not see someone walk through the set in a gorilla suit if they are focused on another part of the video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

The best-known study demonstrating inattentional blindness is the Invisible gorilla test, conducted by Daniel Simons of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Christopher Chabris of Harvard University. This study, a revised version of earlier studies conducted by Ulric Neisser, Neisser and Becklen, 1975, asked subjects to watch a short video of two groups of people (wearing black and white t-shirts) pass a basketball around. The subjects are told to either count the number of passes made by one of the teams or to keep count of bounce passes vs. aerial passes. In different versions of the video a woman walks through the scene carrying an umbrella, or wearing a full gorilla suit. After watching the video the subjects are asked if they saw anything out of the ordinary take place. In most groups, 50% of the subjects did not report seeing the gorilla.

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:00 PM

2. They received a gift the last two years at the expense of the next

generation and complain. I feel their pain.

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:01 PM

3. 'Big' rock,

but as you know, as a NOT-newbie, many 'like' to grumble about PrezO.

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:03 PM

4. Didn't the tax holiday end 12/31/12...and today is 1/4/13....

...I don't even have a paycheck yet that included time that I worked from 1/2/13 to 1/4/13....are these people paid daily?

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:12 PM

6. Taxes are based off check date not pay period.

I get paid every Friday, so today's check was for last week's work but at the 2013 tax rate.

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:06 PM

5. complaining that your check is lower isn't Republican rhetoric

but I do find it strange that people are seeing the decrease already. The increase went into effect on Jan 1. Most of us have our pay delayed at least a week.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:28 PM

7. Taxes are based off check date not pay period. n/t

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:30 PM

8. really?

Okay, I'm thinking on this. You must be right because any income received in 2013 goes toward that year's taxes. That makes more sense.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:34 PM

10. Yep.

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:33 PM

9. The trolls are out in their numbers

Hard not to notice

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Response to kydo (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:49 PM

11. I don't remember those posts

but you may be right. It would be interesting to see if there are any positive articles on DailyKos about the payroll tax holiday.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:10 PM

12. I remember

people wanting to know when they were getting their money but it was a mock question as they damn well knew it was a pay roll tax reduction holiday thing and they would see it on their pay checks. These were comments you over hear in the check out line ect. And they thought they were so smug with their (I use this word in joking manner) "honest" question.

I do remember reading several articles talking about how this was an extremely effective stimulus that nobody knew about as their wasn't much fanfare when it was enacted.

Thats why I found it funny yet sadly predictable that there were all these, "golly gee my check is 20$ less thats not fair insert your favorite teabagger dribble standard take that usually ends with the commie socialist marxist Kenyan muslim obama wants your guns and the un is coming to rape you and your women folk but worse force the us to use the metric system and that is so un American, whatever."

Again I'm sure they think people on this site are stupid and will fall for the (and I use this word again in joking manner) "honest" question.

Its rather funny, only I don't know what is funnier, that they think they are cool and smart or watching them think they are cool and smart.


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Response to kydo (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:21 PM

13. Yes, when someone posts an "honest question"

it's usually annoying (and they already have an answer in mind).

So I expect that when the payroll tax holiday started there were a few "honest questions" asked about the extra money on FR and other conservative sites.

The posts I remember on DU were more theoretical, it's the RW that tends to do the faux anecdotes and chain email approach. I also remember that a lot of DUers were against the payroll tax holiday at the time.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:29 PM

14. I wasn't for it

and I am glad it expired.

I did like the idea of how the stimulus was given (about 20$ a paycheck rather then 1,000$ at one time) but I did not like where the money came from.

I still want spending cuts and any cuts in budgets to pay for any future tax cuts BUT I want those cuts to come from the defense budget. Leave SS alone.

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