Rand Paul cries about a pat down by tsa

And yes, far-right "libertarians" think that constitutes a valid excuse.

What "libertarians" consider fair and democratic is basically getting their way 100% of the time. In that respect, they are no different from conservatives.

He's nothing but a spoiled snot-nosed brat shuffling along in his daddy's big-boy pants.

If you don't like it you can walk or change the law. You are a Senator, aren't you?

Even if you believe the TSA actually provides some semblance of real security/safety your argument is stupid.
So you you think the TSA should be able to group anyone, anywhere, without probable cause?

You have no Constitutional right to shop at a supermarket, you can grow your own food.
You have no Constitutional right to drive on the public street, you can walk.
You have no Constitutional right to ride a bus or subway, you can walk.
You have no Constitutional right to attend a football game, you can watch it on tv.
You have no Constitutional right to see a movie, you can stay home.
You have no Constitutional right to go to the beach ...
You have no Constitutional right to hike in a national forest ....
You have no Constitutional right to do most anything ....

Wake up and see how this 'security' argument has been used by totalitarian regimes throughout history to subjugate a citizenry.

Oh yeah...the other half of your argument...one Senator can't change the law by themselves.

And morons can't understand that airplanes flying through the skys just might have different security requirements than a bus, and if you don't want to allow them to happen then you don't get to fly. The problem is libertarian assholes like Ron Paul and his pestilent spawn is THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY! AT ALL! EVER!

If you've got a problem with the TSA Security Theater, fine. Then you should have the exact same problem with Rand's performance also. Don't even begin to try pretend that it wasn't a performance, either. This scumbag doesn't deserve to get any cover, from anyone.

I don't give a flying fuck who the person is. The government does not have the right to crotch grope and naked scan us on demand.

Shame on anyone who defends this authoritarian, profit-focused, security theater or mocks anyone who protests it.

who it is either. This fucker didn't give a damn until it happen to him it happens to people everyday.

Rand Paul addresses the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and gives a scathing speech opposing invasive TSA searches. Video at link.

http://dailybail.com/home/congressional-video-rand-paul-reminds-the-tsa-of-the-4th-ame.html

And you know what? It wouldn't matter if he hadn't said a word about this before. Mocking ANYONE for opposing this crap only sends the message that you condone this crap.

But you really should get your facts straight before claiming someone's position (or lack thereof) on an issue.

Rand Paul, Supposed Defender Of Civil Liberties, Calls For Jailing People Who Attend ‘Radical Political Speeches’ http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/31/232182/rand-paul-criminalize-speech/

Kook!

My point about the importance of not defending the TSA stands, and non-sequiturs about Rand Paul do not change that. This particular strategy for defending the indefensible has already been dissected here:

The faux freakout over Ron Paul (and now Rand Paul)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002154246

We *all* know that Rand Paul and Ron Paul both take ridiculous and indefensible stances on some issues. What you posted here has nothing to do with TSA. Just because Rand Paul has some odious positions does not therefore mean that he is wrong when he opposes TSA groping.

Goodbye, Prosense. You go ahead and post whatever further irrelevancies you like. I think my point is clear.

...you're using a thread that calls out Rand Paul to post, "The faux freakout over Ron Paul (and now Rand Paul)."

You're hiding behind the TSA to try to prevent criticism of Paul. And here's the "but."


What happened to Paul has nothing to do with legitimate complaints against the TSA. He's a little jerk searching for publicity for himself and his kooky father. "Groping"? Paul wasn't even subjected to a pat down. He refused. Liberty!

people (including ones I often disagreed with) seemed to have not come on over. The sheep-herd, rah-rah 'it's our party right or wrong', fuck anyone who strays from the 'WH/DNC corporate-line talking points' mentality is wearing thin and oh so tiresome.

And people wonder why the 2-party sham system is broken...................

I hear the utter rot of 'Obama is powerless to really be a progressive because of the 'reality of the congress', and that 'this is a centrist nation', ergo nothing really is going to go well for a true socially progressive agenda. Well, if this is so true, then one of the KEY ways to pass good things is to make common cause with any member of congress who supports an issue that one believes in. NOT to mindlessly/childishly bash them over things (real or imagined) that are not germane to the common cause issue.

The art of politics appears to be reduced from a Botticelli to a box of crayons, with the only 2 colours left being red or blue.

"Shame on anyone who defends this authoritarian, profit-focused, security theater or mocks anyone who protests it."

...disingenuous bullshit. Rand Paul is a kook. You seem to be under the impression that he's against "authoritarian, profit-focused, security."

He and his loony father want to get the government out of security so that they can enhance its "authoritarian, profit-focused" aspect, free-market style.

His PR stunt is fooling no one.

Rand Paul’s ironic incident
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002207091

and Rand Paul is correct in his outrage. Everything else you have posted is extraneous to the subject at hand which is invasive searches by TSA. I cannot abide Rand Paul but I totally agree with his sense of outrage. I felt it myself when I had several experiences with invasive TSA searches.

"No the poster is correct and Rand Paul is correct in his outrage. "

...Rand Paul is full of shit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=213555

Still, I suspect you were the target of his publicity stunt.

"I cannot abide Rand Paul but I totally agree with his sense of outrage."

Yeah, he's a kook, but...

no matter what their political affiliation.

"No, I felt the same way when they detained Sen Kennedy."

Kennedy's name was on a no fly list.

He wasn't involved in a publicity stunt.

The whole security theater we are subjected to at the airport is out of hand. I felt incredibly violated when I was searched and it happened more than once. From Kennedy on the no fly list to children being subjected to physical searches, it has become ridiculous. I grew up in the middle of the cold war with all it's hype and even then nothing like this was attempted. The fact that we allow these searches shows the continued deterioration of personal freedoms that was supposed to be guaranteed to us. It doesn't matter to me if he staged the whole thing. I agree with him that it is an abomination. One can agree with a stance and not the whole package.

...of this has anything to do with Rand Paul and the reason people are criticizing him, which you're objecting to.

The fact is most people traveling (including me) have been through a lot worse than not being pat down, which is all his publicity stunt amounts to.

This is not about him. It is about the TSA. He just happened to challenge them. It could have been my grandmother.

until it happened to him. Where was his outrage when others have told their stories.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=213320

No need for me to respond you said it all

Apparently it's time to post this again:

The faux freakout over Ron Paul
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002154246

Now the Pauls are apparently a reason to defend the TSA.

Even though I went through one of the new machines that are so easy and thorough. Since I am a sweet little old lady, I thought that would be the end of it; well, evidently sweet little old ladies must carry contraband and/or bombs, for I was taken aside. HOWEVER, a sweet lady did the pat down, and it was totally innocuous. I have been more invaded on a dance floor in my youth, than by this very nice woman. Nothing to it. However, I can see how it would be embarrassing if I had any health problems. I was relieved somewhat that it was done by a woman, but, honestly, don't think it would have bothered me had it been a man. I was glad that I didn't need to worry about my safety in this regard. The flight was great and uneventful. Quite beautiful up in the clouds again. It's been a while.

No level of this intrusion should be tolerated under the guise of security makes it that more loathsome as it is that for which freedom is often traded. A little bit of security.

he physically sounds like he is channeling his dad's voice and it looks kind of weird.

suspicious as well.

stop all your bloodclaat cryin

The abuses of the TSAs are well known.

In a Senate hearing last October,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/senator-tsa-forced-me-to-go-through-body-scanner.html

The Senate can take action. Last year, for example, the Senate voted unanimously to make it a make it a federal crime to misuse and distribute images taken by TSA scanning devices.

If it takes a TSA misuse of a Republican Senator to prompt further action, so be it.

"Whether this happened to Rand Paul (R), or a Democrat, this shouldn't happen."

What exactly happened to Rand Paul? He pulled a PR stunt by refusing a pat down and was sent on his way.

He's also a U.S. Senator, which means his trying to equate himself with an average traveler is full of shit!

Your party created this monstrosity. If you have a problem with it get them to sign off on destroying it.

Until you're willing to do that, shut up and sit down like your party wants us normal citizens to do.

But at least he got his junk touched.

Probably the only ....... No, must refrain from posting snark. It's not kind and the thought police will come for me.

Ineffective security theater for the mindless masses. A huge waste of money and time.

You didn't really mean that, did you?

You could have had hundreds of government hands in your uterus.

Patting down grannies, kids, the disabled, it is outrageous and it is not keeping us secure or protected. Rather it is an exercise of our police state designed to show people just who is in charge, who has the power.

But what's real sad is seeing all the people dismissing this because *gasp* a Republican, with the name of Paul, is bringing it up. I remember the justifiable outrage when this board was in flames because liberals were getting the treatment, now we have members cheering on the TSA because Paul got the same. Hypocrisy much?