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Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:32 PM

HOLY. FUCK. --- Can you imagine if any of the teachers had been armed?

HOLY. FUCK.

Following the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, a habitually abusive public school administration in Harlem subjected over 300 disabled students and staff to a horrific staged school shooting.


Planned in secrecy, without any warning or notice to any of the victims, desperate students and staff were traumatized and struggle today with the aftermath. Hundreds of stories have emerged of teachers holding doors down to save their students while calling loved ones to say good bye. Staff falling to the floor in prayer. And brave acts of protection and heroism. 300 fragile students, starting at the age of 12, who have worked all their lives to be strong and overcome emotional hardships were terrorized by this action, and most do not have the voice to respond! Or even to tell their parents!


http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/lockdown-drill-terrifies-east-harlem-s
http://www.change.org/petitions/a-staged-school-shooting-traumatized-400-disabled-kids-and-teachers-we-demand-justice?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16046&alert_id=KkCzIuHKsO_eoPDxvrREl

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Reply HOLY. FUCK. --- Can you imagine if any of the teachers had been armed? (Original post)
kpete Jan 2013 OP
louis-t Jan 2013 #1
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #2
Pachamama Jan 2013 #26
Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #3
bunnies Jan 2013 #4
liberal N proud Jan 2013 #5
KamaAina Jan 2013 #6
retrogal Jan 2013 #20
KamaAina Jan 2013 #21
retrogal Jan 2013 #24
Nevernose Jan 2013 #28
iemitsu Jan 2013 #29
KamaAina Jan 2013 #7
freshwest Jan 2013 #8
KamaAina Jan 2013 #22
regjoe Jan 2013 #9
bettyellen Jan 2013 #15
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #10
spanone Jan 2013 #11
libdem4life Jan 2013 #12
lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #13
butterfly77 Jan 2013 #14
Erose999 Jan 2013 #16
lunasun Jan 2013 #17
freshwest Jan 2013 #18
dballance Jan 2013 #19
freshwest Jan 2013 #25
billbailey19448jj Jan 2013 #23
tblue Jan 2013 #27

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:38 PM

1. Maybe they're trying to desensitize the kids before

teaching them to 'rush' an attacker.

Oh, I forgot to say....fucking idiots.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:39 PM

2. This was criminal.

Sadistic. Destructive.

The perpetrators should be prosecuted for premeditated aggravated assault (aggravated because of the psychological damage to the victims), and there ought to be a wave of lawsuits.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

26. Agreed -we are supposed to be protecting our children, elderly & handicapped from abuse, not abusing

This should be criminal and criminal charges made for abuse. These children may never recover from this traumatic event. There was no reason to do such a drill - no lesson for these children, only a life changing event that will traumatize them. If the goal had been to have teachers trained on what to do in an emergency situation, then you do what our school did when SCHOOL WAS OUT for Summer Recess and its coordinated with law enforcement and local agencies for their own training purposes too where they can faniliarize themselves with the layout of a school and practice. Have mock students, either others in law enforcement or volunteers playing the students, but NEVER real children and definitely not special needs children!!!! WTF!!!!

My children's school has regular fire drills or drills for safety in which they learn to CALMLY follow instructions. Being calm in emergencies, especially children, is crucial. Even in the Sandy Hook shooting, it was the teachers who when recounting their actions who had previous practice in drills to gather the children in closets and behind things and for hours keep the kids calm. What possible benefit could these idiots at this Horan school have been thinking that would be gained by causing trauma for these children and teachers seeing armed persons and panic? WTF???

If my children's school did this to my kids, I bet there would be lawsuits....valid ones because this is not what educators or law enforcement is supposed to do to our children...

Aaaarrrrghhhh....just so wrong....these school administrators should all be fired and never allowed to be in any environment that involves children or special needs or elderly people....our society's most vulnerable...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:40 PM

3. Humans lacking humanity.

 

This is really beyond the pale.

How terribly frightening this scenario must have been for the students and staff. The admin. must be a sadistic bunch.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:40 PM

4. This is so sick its hard for me to comprehend.

Whomever thought it would be a good idea to terrorize hundreds of disabled children has NO business being around a child again. EVER. I almost wish the teachers HAD been armed. Those complicit in this child abuse would have deserved what they got.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:42 PM

5. That is a scary scenario - It's JUST A DRILL while the armed teachers take out the fake perp.

What does the NRA say about that one?

Schools and business do occasionally run armed intruder alerts or drills, if everyone had a gun the people running the drill would be dead!



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:43 PM

6. False report

possible jail time.

Officers from the 25th Precinct station house responded, she said. When they arrived a minute later, school officials told them that it was just a drill.


Tsk, tsk. Before emotionally abusing your students (and faculty), next time at least let the cops in on your little prank first.

edit: And why in the name of the noodly FSM does NYC have a sgregated school just for kids with disabilities?!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:33 PM

20. The noodly FSM

And why in the name of the noodly FSM does NYC have a sgregated school just for kids with disabilities?!

Because some children and adults with disabilities function better and are able to get more one on one in special ed schools. My child did not function well in a 'normal' school in a special ed class. Special Ed schools were the best for her.

I am sick that any school would try such a sick stunt.

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Response to retrogal (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:58 PM

21. Best practice now is to include kids with disabilities in classrooms, with teacher aides if need be

the "special ed class" is nearly as outdated as this special ed school.

In fact, it's not just best practice, it's the law: the Federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) calls for placement in the "least restrictive environment".

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:12 PM

24. It sounds good but...

... the reality is some children need more than a normal school can offer. For my child (who is now an adult) and others they needed mats and pillows on the floor during seizures, changing areas for diapers with people to lift teens and adults to change them, the space for therapy equipment, and large rooms just for various types of therapy. Plus room for many wheelchairs and someone to push them since many function to low to understand and also for spoon feeding them or preparing the mixture for feeding tubes.
They just need a safe school that can meet all their needs. The last school my daughter went to took only those with IQ's below 50 if I remember correctly.
Higher functioning children do well in normal schools but the lowest functioning ones don't

Sorry to be off topic on this thread and I hope it explains a little on why there is a need for some of these schools.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:15 PM

28. If possible, and if it is best for the child

We have a couple of schools like that with which I'm familiar. One has a room for students with helmets, because they're constantly, repetitively banging their heads on things. One has a girl that they attempted to mainstream into a high school (class next door to mine) who compulsively, inappropriatly touched herself and others (not a good idea for a high school setting); if given the slightest opportunity, she would run to the nearest street and throw herself into the busy street.

And now that I think about it, we have another school just for the violent mentally ill, a school that has ten foot fencing and even parents aren't allowed in under normal conditions, serving students too violent for even specialized self contained classrooms.

I guess my point is that "in a normal classroom" isn't the only point on the "least restrictive environment" spectrum.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:58 PM

29. yes, its the law and it seems that (on the surface at least) the law was designed in the

interest of the special needs student (does, "we must do it for the children" sound like a familiar argument?). And I hope that was what those, who drafted the law had in mind while designing this legislation, but I doubt it was the only motivation.
Providing for special needs students can be very expensive and the reality is that teachers, with special needs students mainstreamed into their classrooms, don't get the teaching aid or other resources to meet the needs of those students. I believe that teachers do the best they can, under the circumstances, but I don't think many school districts can shoulder the cost of having special needs students in every classroom. Hiring specialists, trained to work with special needs students, is costly and concentrating students with similar needs and abilities into separate classrooms or buildings allows districts to provide meaningful educational experiences for more students for less money. Few districts have the resources to provide these specialists in every classroom in the district.
While I support the stated goals of "democratic and inclusive " classrooms the dynamics of classrooms populated this way are not always conducive to learning, at least not for every child.
I suspect, while recognizing that it is hard to openly say so, that part of the motivation for structuring the laws surrounding special needs students, was to add financial stress to strapped school districts and hasten the demise of public schools (demonstrating that public schools are failures and that they ought to be scrapped for charters and private schools).
Of course, every child deserves the best educational opportunities that can be designed, for that child (IMO every American should have available, free education from elementary school through college or vocational training), but to accomplish that our society must change its priorities. For example, the primary indicator of school success is household income. Those students who come from stable financial situations do much better in school than those who don't. We know this to be the case from many studies and from anecdotal evidence throughout the history of public schooling, yet when we "reform" schools, to better insure student success, that is never a part of the discussion. Instead, we point our fingers at the overburdened teachers and blame them for not being every thing, for every child, every minute that they are in our rooms.
The idea that school district officials, anywhere, would plan an emergency drill (like the one in the OP) and not inform the teachers and students that it was a drill is beyond believable. Educated adults ought to be able to anticipate the potential problems associated with a surprise, emergency drill (especially the drama that would surround a "practice" school invasion by a mass-murderer so soon after the event in Newtown).
I suspect that those who planned this drill, while able to fool the public into believing they are responsible, thoughtful professionals, are in fact right wing, gun nuts. Who else would conceive of such a plan? Most schools want to avoid using violent demonstrations/examples which prompt unplanned and chaotic responses, from both teachers and students, as the bases for lesson plans.
I hope that educators around the country learn from this fiasco and come up with better ways to prepare students and staff members for emergency situations.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:47 PM

7. The teachers would not even have had to be armed

one trigger-happy cop like the ones who emptied their guns into Amadou Diallo would have sufficed nicely.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:03 PM

8. A church group was offering an outing to a restaurant to our DD folks. They said they were to be

paraded in front of random restaurant customers, handcuffed in a 'chain gang' with real LEOs there to unlock them if the customers paid money.

I learned the true nature of the degrading outing from the mother of one of the officers who called her for advice. He has a disabled sibling and was very unhappy about being assigned to be part of the 'fun community outing' for the disabled folks. It would have also desensitived the 'community' more than it already is in many areas.

Vulnerable people really want to get out into the greater public and be 'regular' people. It was offered to them as a 'game' and then they'd all get to eat afterwards. I informed people I knew many disabled people have traumatic memories of run-ins with the police, who are not trained to handle them. Our group refused this 'fun' community experience.

It was the same church group that thought taking them out to eat and getting them to gorge food down like pigs themselves was 'fun.' For people who were already morbidly obese. By the way, they were in a Republican district.

A number of people think these folks should be handled like livestock. We've had to field questions from people who think behaviorally disordered folks should be shocked with tazers and their 'handlers' be taught martial arts to knock them down like wild animals instead of a comprehensive, educated and trained approach. They think that the DD should get used to the idea of going to jail, where they would not survive for a week as they'd get beaten to death.

Just a little harmless 'fun' and they don't see why some of us 'don't have a sense of humor,' huh?

All of these beasts should be charged. Good work and kudos to Occupy America and Crooks and Liars. Out these bastids.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:00 PM

22. A *church group*?!

Was it Westboro Baptist, by any chance? Or maybe Landover Baptist (the notorious parody site)??!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:11 PM

9. Hmmm...

 

If the administration knew some of the teachers may be armed, I doubt they would have planned and proceeded with terrorizing and abusing their students and staff.

Wonder why they felt so confident that none of their teachers would be armed?

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Response to regjoe (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:34 PM

15. Because we have strict gun control laws here in NYC. With very few exceptions CC is illegal and

has pretty stiff penalties.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:12 PM

10. Dumb stunt by the administration.

 

Clearly it shows the need for more education and training on their part. Apparently most schools have no plan.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:12 PM

11. what the fuck were they thinking? don't you think you would alert the authorities????

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:24 PM

12. A long way from fire drills and duck and cover.

Couldn't read it any further...cannot imagine...dumbstruck...Terrorists.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:28 PM

13. WTF is wrong with these "educators"?




OMFG.

They are anything BUT educators.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:28 PM

14. K&R..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:39 PM

16. Our local cops planned an excercize on a community college campus, and neglected to tell the college


about it. They had even enlisted people from a community theatre group to play panicking victims. You can imagine what sort of cocksauce clusterfuck that turned out to be.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:42 PM

17. I signed the petition@ the link!

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Response to lunasun (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:47 PM

18. I will sending this petition as far and wide as I can. To teachers, advocates, representatives, etc.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:45 PM

19. We Used to Have Unannounced Fire Drills When I was a Kid

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No one simulated a fire or set the school on fire to make it more realistic.

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Response to dballance (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:25 PM

25. We had Friday air raid drills. During the Cuban missile crisis, planes buzzed over head on time.

But this was a group of kids and staff that will have more problems from this than we did.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:17 PM

23. Oh my goodness, those who came up with such a drill are monsters

 

And I can't even imagine the chaos that would have occurred had the teachers carried guns.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:08 PM

27. The permanent damage to those children

is criminal. The principal must be fired and prosecuted.

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