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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:02 PM

This Is Why Dental Insurance Should Be Abolished....


Dentist accused of paper clip use in root canals

http://news.yahoo.com/dentist-accused-paper-clip-root-canals-121231462.html?fb_action_ids=10150613713331282%2C10150613709111282%2C2589835348072%2C2589525060315%2C2587460528703&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQC-nfRTmosne-wiJq5pEuMe0ZH83Bs2HgscE4XuqZpEfT_1XyPLAMRSfNWOi1ybtz_tPhpPU6v6o5IeVlWLpf3gvBxv-rbxhN_wXsylE_Rk-PU1GHIQmAHiZpb6dVWpLTJdd63VnnZB2eZOe1w7-pNdD1Ql17UDpBkNkP_KTY2Ms6irX3uojBtQS5310SDVbzo#_=_


They say if you dont take care of your teeth it can cause issues with the liver and kidney and cause coronary heart disease so with that in mind why is dental care separate from standard medical insurance. Dentist abuse insurance and do a lot of unnecessary procedures. Many do a lot of work to create more work for themselves.

The last time I checked my teeth are connected to my body.

Oral care should be covered under standard medical insurance as if it were your heart or fingers or foot.

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Reply This Is Why Dental Insurance Should Be Abolished.... (Original post)
rsmith6621 Jan 2012 OP
msongs Jan 2012 #1
Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #2
unblock Jan 2012 #8
rsmith6621 Jan 2012 #5
Hugabear Jan 2012 #3
JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #9
dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #10
Hugabear Jan 2012 #12
Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #13
dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #14
Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #15
dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #16
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2012 #4
BadgerKid Jan 2012 #6
Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #17
BadgerKid Jan 2012 #22
RC Jan 2012 #7
REP Jan 2012 #11
Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #18
REP Jan 2012 #20
LanternWaste Jan 2012 #19
Curmudgeoness Jan 2012 #23
lynne Jan 2012 #21

Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:04 PM

1. umm what does one corrupt dentist have to do with "dental insurance" being abolished? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:07 PM

2. I believe the OP meant dental insurance AS SEPARATE FROM medical insurance

IOW, dental care should be included as part of normal health care, not separate.


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Response to Tansy_Gold (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

8. i think the question is how would unified insurance had made a difference in this case?

is there anything about unified health + dental insurance (as opposed to separate dental insurance) that would have encouraged the dentist not to try to save money by using paper clips?

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:10 PM

5. um read again...



The last time I checked my teeth are connected to my body.

Oral care should be covered under standard medical insurance as if it were your heart or fingers or foot.



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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:09 PM

3. What is the rational for separating dentistry from standard medical insurance?

I have never understood this. Same thing goes for vision.

Yes, dentistry is a specialized field. So is OB/GYN, cardiology, neuroscience, etc. Yet women aren't required to purchase separate OB/GYN insurance, and so forth.

Last time I checked, the mouth and eyes were part of the human body, why should they be covered separately? As the OP points out, dental problems can cause serious health problems.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:14 PM

9. +1

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:14 PM

10. Teeth are subject to general neglect.

As such I could understand their complete removal for other health reasons but not their repair or replacement.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:22 PM

12. And the rest of the body isn't?

There are plenty of ways one can neglect their body - poor diet, smoking, etc.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 02:41 PM

13. Maybe if they were covered under standard health care

they wouldn't be neglected.

Smoking-related illnesses are routinedly covered, even though smoking is an actively unhealthful behavior. Many problems with dental health begin when the patients are minors and have no "dental" insurance even though they may have "health" insurance.

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Response to Tansy_Gold (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:12 PM

14. Are you by any chance under the impression our NHS fully covers dental work ?

There is limited cover. Children get free treatment anyway. Adults get 6 month checkups for c. 16, fillings and crowns are subsidised as are extractions.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:22 PM

15. I didn't know the discussion even concerned the NHS.

Since "we" have nothing here. . . . .

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Response to Tansy_Gold (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:29 PM

16. Often

what you've got is compared with what we get - hence the mention.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:10 PM

4. Why would you want to abolish dental insurance

just because of the occasionally fraudulent practices of a few dentists? Do you think doctors never abuse medical insurance?

Dental insurance is a very good thing to have. I don't necessarily agree that it should be merged into ordinary medical insurance. As stand-alone insurance it's usually fairly inexpensive and the deductibles are manageable, and as such people are more likely to buy it - which means they are more likely to get their routine dental problems taken care of. If it were part of the typical (that is, high deductible) medical coverage, I think people would be inclined to put off having dental work done.

The down side of typical dental coverage is that you can run through it pretty fast if you have to have a lot of work done in one year.

The obvious solution, of course, is comprehensive single-payer coverage that takes care of everything.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:10 PM

6. Don't dentist generally try to do a good job?

Obviously there are unscrupulous ones, just as there are anywhere else. Corporate dentists have quotas to fulfill, so you have a greater chance to encounter unnecessary services with them.

This article suggests it's maybe Medicare insurance, which doesn't pay great. Dentist, like other doctors, don't always accept Medicare (preaching to the choir, etc.).

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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:33 PM

17. You are incorrect, as Medicare offers no dental at all. None.

Which is sort of repeating the point of the OP. Medicare should and does not include dental work.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:49 PM

22. I think you are incorrect -- Medicare.gov indicates otherwise.

for example:

All Dentistry Specialties
Show only those providers who accept the Medicare-approved amount as payment in full.
16 Dentistry Physicians within 20 miles of 21244

Accepts Medicare-approved amount on all claims
This provider accepts the Medicare-approved amount as full payment for covered services.

http://www.medicare.gov/find-a-doctor/provider-results.aspx?loc=21244&specgrp=Dentistry&specids=&pref=Yes&ptype=PHP&gender=Unknown&dist=20&lat=39.33635&lng=-76.76828

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

7. As should eye exams.

 

Hearing exams. Any exam having to do with the functioning/malfunctioning of the various body parts.
Notice all these are in the easy to locate head. The brain of which malfunction symptoms are also often treated separately.

Neck down, medical. Neck up, farmed out to highest bidder.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:15 PM

11. Agree. Dental care should be part of the total insurance package

If it were, I might not be missing 5 teeth. If I hadn't married 5 years ago (which put me on my husbands dental insurance), I'd surely have fewer left.

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Response to REP (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:35 PM

18. How nice for those of you allowed to marry!

Equal rights for equal teeth!!!!!

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:09 PM

20. I'm for equal rights for everyone, too

If I'd married someone without dental insurance, I'd be in the same shape I was before, though

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:44 PM

19. why not simply abolish dentistry as whole-- then we can guarantee no dentist will ever do that...

As we're flailing at the most absurdly tenuous connections here, why not simply abolish dentistry as whole-- then we can be guaranteed no dentist will ever do that again.

Or we can tilt at the windmills behind us, and demand that haircuts are covered by insurance too-- you see-- hair is connected to my body...

(Bong water is nasty, nasty stuff...)

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:04 PM

23. Really????

Why are you opposed to having dental work included with other health issues under the same insurance policy?

And the day that hair that is not cut can cause other major health problems, maybe we should have the discussion about covering haircuts. Until then, you are going nowhere with that argument.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:16 PM

21. Makes no difference to the doctor where the payment comes from -

- dental insurance, health insurance, or cash-on-the-barrel head. How payment is received does not impact the ability, knowledge, ethics or morals of a doctor. They either have them or they don't.



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