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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:52 PM

indy insanity: Sen. Dennis Kruse files bill that would allow schools to require saying Lord's Prayer




The chairman of the Senate education committee, who last year unsuccessfully sought the teaching of creationism in schools, now wants public schools to have the option of beginning each day with the Lord’s Prayer.

Sen. Dennis Kruse, R-Auburn, has filed a bill that would allow school districts to require the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, though individual students could opt out if they or their parents preferred.

With former U.S. Rep. Mike Pence taking office as Indiana’s next governor and with his fellow Republicans holding overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate, some critics have anticipated an easy path for such socially conservative issues in this year’s legislature.

But Pence has said his focus is on the issues of taxes, education and jobs, not social issues. And House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, echoed that, saying Republicans in the House “all understand our focus. .?.?. We’re going to focus on what’s important: budget integrity, job creation and improving education.”


http://www.indystar.com/article/20130103/NEWS05/130103032/Sen-Kruse-s-bill-would-allow-schools-require-saying-Lord-s-Prayer

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Reply indy insanity: Sen. Dennis Kruse files bill that would allow schools to require saying Lord's Prayer (Original post)
spanone Jan 2013 OP
AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #1
Aristus Jan 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #3
kentauros Jan 2013 #6
tblue37 Jan 2013 #19
kentauros Jan 2013 #20
tblue37 Jan 2013 #23
kentauros Jan 2013 #24
LibertyLover Jan 2013 #21
tblue37 Jan 2013 #22
kentauros Jan 2013 #4
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #5
snappyturtle Jan 2013 #7
Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #11
DearHeart Jan 2013 #13
spanone Jan 2013 #14
Coyotl Jan 2013 #8
Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #9
blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #10
DearHeart Jan 2013 #12
Solly Mack Jan 2013 #15
Iman A. Sole Jan 2013 #16
AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #17
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #18

Response to spanone (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:56 PM

1. Which version?

 

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:58 PM

2. I would add an amendment that it must be recited in Latin.



Or, alternatively, Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:58 PM

3. Aramaic would be funny.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:00 AM

6. Cuneiform would be even funnier

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Response to kentauros (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:10 PM

19. That's like saying it must be recited in cursive rather than in

block letters. Cuneiform is a writing system, not a spoken language.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:17 PM

20. And that is exactly why I said "Cuneiform would be funnier"

because it IS a written language only

Here, watch this as an example:


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Response to kentauros (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:51 PM

23. I have seen--and LOVED--this clip before.

Thanks for posting it!

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:55 PM

24. You're welcome! :)

Now, we need to find a way of converting the Lord's prayer into something similar. Kids would love it because they'd get to dance and palm people's faces in place of some words

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:46 PM

21. Actually, some languages written in cuneiform

Can be spoken today, Hittite for one. At my college roommate's wedding, in the Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago, the entire ceremony was in Sumerian and done by Dr. Simo Parpula, a noted Sumerologist. The wife of our Hittite professor, Mrs. Guterbock, sung a wedding song in Hittite whose melody had only recently been translated. It was pretty neat, especially since the wedding party was in costume as we're some of the guests. I went as the Egyptian envoy and had a special part in the ceremony. Like I said, it was neat.

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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:49 PM

22. Yes, and languages written in cursive or block print are spoken today--that is,

the languages are spoken, but cursive is not spoken, and block printing is not spoken, and cuneiform is not spoken.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:59 PM

4. Can they say it backwards?

It's still the same prayer, just reversed, like backwards-masked satanic music

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:59 PM

5. And I suppose he thinks this will end school shootings?

You know, we as a nation are already falling behind in many ways with education and that is due in part to spending our time fighting these asinine things.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:17 AM

7. For those who haven't read the link, there's more! Unreal.

Kruse, a soft-spoken conservative who has been in the legislature since 1999, has already stirred controversy for the coming legislative session. In December, Kruse said he would not reintroduce his legislation to teach creationism alongside evolution but instead planned to seek a “truth in education” bill. That, he said, would require teachers to provide evidence if students challenge their science lessons.


“If a student thinks something isn’t true, then they can question the teacher, and the teacher would have to come up with some kind of research to support that what they are teaching is true or not true,” he said then.


Back to the prayer issue. Why can't prayer-ful students pray with their families or by themselves prior to setting foot into school or silently in school? To me Kruse's efforts are attempts to unconstitutionally spread the Word.

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:55 AM

11. Two words on creationism: Dover case.

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:31 AM

13. He's a whackjob!

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Response to DearHeart (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:48 AM

14. at best!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:20 AM

8. In Indiana, the way to defeat this is with a Hail Mary faction

Couldn't resist

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:25 AM

9. Quoting Superintendent Chalmers



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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:42 AM

10. They're building up their King James Theocracy, one statehouse at a time.

Seig Heil, y'all.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:29 AM

12. No friggin way! Not in PUBLIC schools!

They want the Lord's prayer in their child's classroom, send them to a religious school that's affiliated with their church!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:53 AM

15. Idiot.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:59 PM

16. Where are the gun owners on this?

Seriously. Diane Feinstein is under withering fire from gun advocates who are having a conniption about the 2nd Amendment and their Constitutional rights. But the silence is deafening from these same people when legislation like this is proposed. Just more proof that they're not really interested in defending the Constitutional rights of Americans. They're interested in defending guns.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:06 PM

17. If this passes it will be challenged and declared unconstitutional.

This is nothing more than grandstanding holier-than-thou self-righteousness.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:09 PM

18. He thinks it will get God to let his hair grow back.

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