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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:52 PM

The problem, the basic problem, with US politics

It is two fold.

1.- American Exceptionalism, which goes hand in hand with empire

2.- Fear.

They go together, but if we want to change these dynamics we need to realize that all major political problems, whether austerity (f we don't reform Medicare it will go bankrupt, fear...if we pass gun laws they'll take my guns...fear) we need to recognize this is a key component.

Keeping people on the edge of panic is a powerful tool.

And then there is Exceptionalism. We really do not want to become like oh Europeans, and pass sensible singe payer, cause we're americans and we're special.

These are critical. We need to realize fear is stopping us, and that includes fear of...change and that perhaps we're not that exceptional.

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Reply The problem, the basic problem, with US politics (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP
NRaleighLiberal Jan 2013 #1
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #2
NRaleighLiberal Jan 2013 #3
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #20
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #23
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #24
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #4
dkf Jan 2013 #5
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #6
dkf Jan 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #13
Johonny Jan 2013 #7
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #9
Johonny Jan 2013 #17
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #18
zappaman Jan 2013 #19
LWolf Jan 2013 #8
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #10
slackmaster Jan 2013 #12
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #14
malaise Jan 2013 #15
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #16
Kingwithnothrone Jan 2013 #21
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #22

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:11 PM

1. 3. lobbying/$$$/special interests

3a. Greed

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:15 PM

2. That's part of it, to be sure

But if I had to pick one thing, it would be this concept of American Exceptionalism which (ironically) seems to be exclusive to the United States. We have this notion that the basic common sense that governs the rest of the world (i.e., guns) simply don't apply to us because we "different" that those other cultures. You can't compare the U.S. to Sweden because, well, they're Swedish and not American. And American is better. So there.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:18 PM

3. +1. n/t

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:33 PM

20. #1 in a capitalist economy had better be money or you are off base and never will get right

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:46 PM

23. Every industrialized nation on Earth is in a capitalist economy

Yet in a recent analysis of public corruption, the U.S. ranked 18th. Behind basically every other industrialized nation on Earth.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:30 PM

24. Perhaps, but only in America is it the official state secular religion

We probably also have the highest mix of capitalism.

I'd also follow the money everywhere, there is no safe harbor from the corrupting influence.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:23 PM

4. It exploits the other two

Whether it's pharma...we are not Canada you silly...or guns, or a slew of other issues.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:32 PM

5. Or maybe the fear is we aren't exceptional...

 

Thus our way of life will revert back to the mean.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:38 PM

6. We aren't

Sorry

It's a stupid foundational national myth that is a modern tool of empire.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:05 PM

11. Tell that to the people in Lala land.

 

Too much reality.

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Response to dkf (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:11 PM

13. Who are those?

Ignorant people who are easily manipulated?

Yup.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:43 PM

7. the electing and worship of really, really stupid people

That people like Louie Gohmert win election in completely safe districts is the problem. The vast majority of the Republicans in office have no clue how the legislative branch is suppose to work, what their actual job is or even what they are voting on is the problem. That so many are basically there to be there until they can move to their upgrade lobbying positions or join corporation boards is the problem. I can't remember the last talking head republican that didn't sound like a bunch of 1 sentence lobbyist talking points. That's the problem. The sad thing is people like Gohmert and Michele Bachmann are reasonably will educated people... yet they sound like talking head morans. Why? because they think their job is to parrot thin tank and lobbyist groups and not to think for themselves and their actual constituents (who they have zero interest in or respect). That's what the political system wants and that's what they give them. Until voters demand better, stronger candidates the total fails of this country, like Rand Paul, will keep this country from any type of American Exceptionalism

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Response to Johonny (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:48 PM

9. One point...this is not just Republicans.

Americans are ignorant of how the government is supposed to be or work.

Granted, the GOP relies more on fear, but both rely on Exceptionalism.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:42 PM

17. Exceptionalism is sort of hit and miss

Republicans will tell you we are the shinning beacon on the hill and in the next sentence bash the federal governmen, our social programs like social security and medicare, our collective labor organizations etc... We are great in one sentence, they suck in the next. But the they and the we are the same people.

Republicans believe the government can't work, elect people that don't believe it can't work, and then wonder why their government doesn't work. Yet they will tell you America is #1.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:47 PM

18. Yeah, but Americans

Have no clue how the government works.

I am just pointing this.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:17 PM

19. " Yeah, but Americans Have no clue how the government works."

Ayup, we're just all plane stooped and need you to tell us so!
Thanks for "pointing this"!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:45 PM

8. #1

goes hand in hand with capitalism and corporate empire.

Every time I hear some politician, R or D, talking about a "uniquely American" solution, I know what they mean is "American capitalist/corporate solution."

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Response to LWolf (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:48 PM

10. Yup, it's code.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:06 PM

12. You forgot "Dumb people who vote"

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:15 PM

14. Careful, voting tests have a way of biting people in the arse

But people vote their fears and this empire thing...when people are made afraid...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:18 PM

15. Add the media who whip up the fear on behalf of their corporate bosses

and of course because what is paraded as news is sport and entertainment for ratings

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Response to malaise (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:19 PM

16. Yup

Part of the problem

Decreasing crime rates and home invasions, but you'd never know it from watching the local news.

But it goes with the meta fear induction.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:36 PM

21. good post

 

I agree with you on this for what it's worth.I would also suggest Nadin, that there also exists a huge disconnect between the white collar professional working class and the blue collar working class in this country that prevents any kind of working class solidarity.The same type of exceptionalism that you speak of exists there also,causing that disconnect.Under the much spoken facade of ,"we are all in this together", lies an underlying disdain that flows right below the surface.Many(not all) of the intellectual professionals objectify the blue collar working class as the uneducated masses who must be molded to reach "their" level of enlightenment on all things political and in life.Somehow the thoughts,feelings,ideas,and life view of the blue collar people are to be taken with a grain of salt and dismissed out of hand as the views of uneducated,backward thinking people, who have not advanced as there more enlightened brothers and sisters have.There is little difference between objectifying people based on race,sex, or people doing it to separate themselves politically,intellectually or financially from their "lessers" and it exists in both political parties.

It is absurd and ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose but to divide and separate any possible worker movement in this country for better conditions for all of us.The working poor,the blue collar people are trying to smash the windowns and kick down the doors to escape the burning conference hall while the "middle class" intellectual professionals are giving lectures on civility and how to proceed to the exits so as not to cause too much damage to the owners of the building.

As far as fear goes,most people in this country are never going to move in any direction that moves away from the free market capitalist viewpoint until they are hit smack upside the head with a large dose of humility and poverty in there immediate family and those close to them and and forced to reassess whether profits are more important than people.You can hardly blame people for that,when it is the only system they know and are led to believe from birth that any and all Socialist,Marxist,and Leftist ideas are the workings of evil incarnates and childish outcasts with a jonesing for bloody revolution.

Much of the Democratic party has moved so far right that they refuse to even listen without marginalizing with disdain and derision, those who reside on the left.They deny the powerful voice of the Leftists who rail against a system that is destroying the working class in this country.And for what Nadin?A better spot on the upper deck of a ship that is bound to sink anyway with their kids and grand kids on board?


I'm hoping the DU grammar police don't get me on this one Nadin

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Response to Kingwithnothrone (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:41 PM

22. This is why OWS was a threat

It was the first time blue collar and white collar were in the same boat

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