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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:52 PM

Police Turned Away from St. Louis area Denny's for Carrying Firearms

BELLEVILLE, Ill. — Belleville police have been banned from eating at the local Denny’s restaurant while on duty.

According to FOX2Now, a manager at Denny’s turned away a group of armed officers on New Year’s Day. Bellevile Police Captain Don Sax said the refusal was a slap in the face.

“It’s completely disrespectful,” he said. “How can anyone think to tell a police officer you can’t be in here with your gun? It’s absurd to me.”

Denny’s released a statement that said in-part, “Denny’s policy permits law enforcement officials to carry their firearms in the restaurant and we regret any misunderstanding.”

More ... http://fox4kc.com/2013/01/03/police-turned-away-from-st-louis-area-dennys-for-carrying-firearms/

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Reply Police Turned Away from St. Louis area Denny's for Carrying Firearms (Original post)
proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 OP
Lasher Jan 2013 #1
loli phabay Jan 2013 #3
Lasher Jan 2013 #6
bigapple1963 Jan 2013 #13
Lasher Jan 2013 #18
oldhippie Jan 2013 #24
former9thward Jan 2013 #29
Enrique Jan 2013 #2
loli phabay Jan 2013 #5
bluestate10 Jan 2013 #12
regjoe Jan 2013 #4
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #8
Lasher Jan 2013 #9
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #11
Lasher Jan 2013 #16
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #17
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #21
regjoe Jan 2013 #22
hunter Jan 2013 #19
regjoe Jan 2013 #23
hunter Jan 2013 #25
regjoe Jan 2013 #26
hunter Jan 2013 #27
MicaelS Jan 2013 #30
hunter Jan 2013 #31
regjoe Jan 2013 #32
Downwinder Jan 2013 #7
Lasher Jan 2013 #10
MicaelS Jan 2013 #14
underpants Jan 2013 #20
Aerows Jan 2013 #28
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #15

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:56 PM

1. I think that's the way it should be.

No guns means no guns. I don't trust police with guns any more than I trust anyone else who is legally carrying a firearm.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

3. so if someone goes postal in a gun free zone the cops should just walk away

 

Im not sure i follow your logic.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:16 PM

6. If someone goes postal in a school, teachers should just walk away

If teachers are not allowed to have guns in schools. Your argument works just as well in this scenario.

My point is, I don't trust cops to be the only ones who are allowed to have guns.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:17 PM

13. I wonder

 

what happens if this restaurant ever gets robbed...
probably the cops will take a few days to arrive to take the report...

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:25 PM

18. From personal experience that's exactly what happens.

If the cops show up at all.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:41 AM

24. That's right. I was a victim of theft twice .....

 

Once my car was broken into and an expensive stereo system stolen. Also broke the glass and damaged the door which was significant $$$$. The other time my garage was broken into and a racing bicycle stolen. Both times when I called the cops (in Salinas, CA) they said they don't even respond or file reports for such trivial crimes. If I needed a report for insurance purposes I needed to make an appointment to come to the police station and pay a fee to get a report.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:22 PM

29. An excellent way to show "low crime rates".

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:58 PM

2. that's really odd

businesses usually like to have cops around, sometimes they even give them free stuff.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:10 PM

5. yup that 711 miles from anywhere likes cops dropping by for coffee at all hours

 

Its a good deterrent.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:16 PM

12. It's nuts if the cops were in uniform or could show a badge. Sounds like the manager was concerned

about cop impostors, but common sense needs to be relied on in situations like the manager faced.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:07 PM

4. And yet

 

I could go in there with a firearm anytime I wanted and they would never know.

Fear based hysteria trumps commonsense once again.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:33 PM

8. You would have no problem violating the property rights of others?

Carrying onto private property specifically posted 'no guns allowed' is breaking the law.

I gather as a law-abiding gun owner you would never really do that, because if you did, you would just be another criminal with a gun.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

9. Whites only!

Rights of property owners are not absolute.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:09 PM

11. Whites only, specifically ruled unconstitutional.

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."



Not carrying a deadly weapon onto premises posted, ruled constitutional.

Does not violate anyone's civil rights on private property.



Yes, there are limits, and they have been already adjudicated.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:19 PM

16. And Rosa Parks broke the law.

We later came to our senses in that respect.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:22 PM

17. That depends upon the state.

Some states have specific-signage laws. That means that the no-guns sign has to EXACTLY fit the state description, including the placement, size, and wording, or it is invalid.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:42 PM

21. I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

Local ordinances must be adhered to, but it is still the law.

Businesses have to comply with all kinds of bureaucratic stuff, one more specific legal posting correctly sized and placed is no big deal.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:17 AM

22. The point is

 

that we are in close proximity to a gun numberous times throughout the day without our even knowing about it. A 'gun free zone' or a 'no guns allowed sign' does nothing but make people falsely believe they are 'safer' by thinking there are no guns near them, when in reality the guns are there.

I am not a gun owner, but believe I would respect the unjustified fears of the business owner if they posted 'no guns allowed.' Either that or not give them my business.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:31 PM

19. Don't mess with my mom or my brother.

People who bring guns into their places, "concealed" or not, are dealt with very harshly. Imagine Fight Club, no Grey Goose, cheap Western biker bar crazy and you'll be close. The atmosphere is always very civil and enjoyable until it's not.

Myself, I'd think anyone who brought a concealed weapon into my place was an asshole. Then I'd do my very charming best to avoid the familiar mayhem and take the gun away for safekeeping, permanently perhaps if the carrier was an exceptionally obnoxious asshole.

One of my personal mottoes is, "What are they going to do, shoot me?"

You should come to my place sometime. I've been thinking about creating an artwork of guns welded together and rendered useless. Would you like to contribute? A well loved Glock or two would be especially welcome as most of the sculpture will probably be cheap crap.



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Response to hunter (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:35 AM

23. Interesting

 

Care to explain exactly how you know if a person is carrying a 'concealed' weapon? Seeing how you are so familiar with the mayhem that always results from concealed carry, you must have a fool proof way, right?

Your place sounds like the places I like to frequent while riding, so I would love to stop by sometime. But rather than giving me a good laugh with your super duper tough guy act, what say we just share a few beers.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:47 PM

25. Is it worth your favorite gun?

I think that would be my price of admission.

Don't try to fool me with crap, I'm looking for expensive hardware that's been coddled like a baby. A precious. Don't be a delicate flower. Bring it concealed or not. You'll be frisked at the door. Either way, we'll take it. You can watch me weld it into my sculpture.

And then maybe, if you are a good sport, we can share a beer. I like Guinness Stout or Negra Modelo.

May I ask you why you carry a gun?

I know why cops carry guns, and I know why kid gangsters in our neighborhood carry guns. The kid gangsters are afraid, and the cops are a little afraid too.

Personally I've never been in a situation where more guns would have improved the outcome.

I've occasionally found myself in very violent and uncomfortable places. As a mature adult I do my best to avoid those situations. So far in this 21st century I haven't yet been scolded by the cops for being a reckless idiot. It seems I can keep my millennial new year's resolutions, if not the annual ones. If it happened again my wife would be really, really pissed off and my kids wouldn't respect me. I'm no good to them dead.

Going back further, I'm entirely unequipped to deal with the political problems of Serbia. Fuck that shit. I'd rather jump out of a moving car.

I've been robbed at gunpoint. One time I confronted some guys who were loading my tools into their truck. In the thick of it I decided it would be a whole lot less bother letting them take my tools than any wild west shootout might have been. Mind you, this was the first radial saw I'd ever bought for myself, my own money, gone. In hindsight I shouldn't have left the saw in the parking lot while I was working inside. It was a bad neighborhood.

Another time I was mugged by a guy with a knife. But somewhere in that robbery attempt the robber had second thoughts when he realized he was a very shaky junkie who needed a fix and I was a nice big guy, a slightly inebriated pacifist, who'd have been greatly troubled if the situation turned violent and I'd been forced to take his knife.

It's no "tough guy act" about my familiar mayhem... I've got many excellent childhood memories like the time my great grandma threatened my dad with a knife. It was scary as hell because great grandma had a lifetime experience killing and cutting up fish, chickens, deer, pigs, and entire cows. Killing and cutting up a human, no problem. She could turn two dozen freshly caught trout into dinner quicker than a modern urban person microwaves a five serving frozen lasagna. She's my closest relative likely to have killed someone and called the county sheriff-coroner to clean up the mess. Her daughter, my grandma, was even scarier. It took the police and paramedics four hours to drag her out of her home when it became clear she was a danger to herself and others. My grandma did have guns but thankfully she went old-school berserker on them, throwing things, kicking, hitting, biting and cussing. If she'd had a horse in her backyard she might have escaped. If she'd gone for her guns they would have shot her dead.

I don't like guns. Guns are a tool many fools own. A younger brother of mine has our family guns, some of them nineteenth century, because I consider myself one of those fools. If I ever had to shoot anyone it would probably be justified but I simply don't want to go there.


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Response to hunter (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:02 PM

26. I am not a gun owner

 

so I do not have a "favorite" gun. Sorry, but your frisking will net you nothing.

I am surrounded by guns every day. All my neighbors and friends have them and people are permited for CC here, but yet I have never found myself in very violent and uncomfortable places.
The closest I have ever come to it was in war and when my father was killed by a handgun.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:03 PM

27. Have a beer...



My gun sculpture will have to wait.

I'm surrounded by guns and I don't like it.

I could do a walking tour of our neighborhood and point out the places where foolish kids have shot other foolish kids or innocent bystanders. Some of these places have little memorials built and decorated by friends and families of the victims. Our city is in the top 1% across the USA for violent crime, most of it gang vs. gang. It's not so bad if you're not a gangster, any violence is just random shit. In some places you could be hit by lightning or a tornado. It ain't Kansas.

One of my kid's friends, when he was three years old, saw his dad shot and killed when he answered the door in a gang deal gone bad. His adoptive parents moved him to a safer city when the gangs started courting him as a teenager.

We had a next door neighbor who's son had been killed in a drug deal gone bad. The poor man was an alcoholic who'd stand in his backyard watering his roses wearing an open bathrobe. If he had to pee, he'd just pee. I'd try not to look over the fence.

We now live on a hill overlooking the city. When I leave the window open at night I hear gunshots and sirens. One of our dogs howls like a coyote when she hears gunshots and sirens. I can't sleep through it.

The gangs steal guns from homes when the owners are away and sometimes directly from concealed carry cowboys who are then too embarrassed to call the police. I saw this happen once, on the sidewalk tables of a coffee place. I reported it on the anonymous tip hotline because the armed guys who stole cc cowboy's gun had noticed me noticing.

No, I don't like it. If I was some kind of superhero I'd melt all the guns.

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Response to hunter (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:27 PM

30. "Melt all the guns"

Than people would go back to killing each other with knives, and you would be complaining about them.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:37 PM

31. Why wouldn't I complain about them?

Do you think killing people with knives is okay???

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Response to hunter (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:11 AM

32. "It ain't Kansas"

 

Which brings us to why our Party is losing the 2nd Amendment debate: supposed solutions for some areas being thrust upon the nation as a whole.
Perhaps the answer to effective gun control is to concentrate on areas such as yours and to leave areas such as mine alone?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:22 PM

7. Nowhere near the first people to be turned away by Denny's.

Never fear, I shall not force myself on them.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:57 PM

10. I'm with you.

I refuse to give money to racists.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:18 PM

14. WTF is it with Denny's?

Seems like there is some massive faux pas by a Denny's on a regular basis. To the best of my recollection, I don't remember reading shit like this about IHOP or Waffle House. Makes me wonder if there isn't something about Denny's corporate culture that attracts kooks.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:33 PM

20. It is remarkable how regulary they screw up

the corporate culture must be horrible

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:09 PM

28. They must

You are right, it seems like once a month Denny's has some sort of awful dust up or another.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:19 PM

15. That manager better have his resume in order.

He is going to need it real soon.

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