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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:39 PM

Weed: Legalize and tax it

Legalizing and taxing weed would solve many problems:

1. another source of revenue for States
2. a cure for many diseases
3. many people will vote for Democrats if Obama does not fight the will of the States moving in this direction. This will create for Democratic victories for years to come.

4. resources wasted on fighting the will of many people who use Weed properly can be diverted to fighting the real threat that is emerging - voter suppression in key States such as Florida

5. drug decriminalization will reduce drug crime (as happened after prohibition ended).

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:42 PM

1. plus a hundred

 

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:01 AM

29. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:47 PM

2. Weed: Legalize and tax it

The main problem with that attitude is:It makes too much SENSE!!!!

But it's an attitude I wholly agree with.......That alone is just not motivation for DC shitheads,on either side of the aisle.At least not for enough of them.........Common sense seems to be a very rare commodity inside the beltway,and not all that valued....

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:06 PM

41. ..and the tax can be minimal

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:49 PM

3. Agree 100%. If we can do it with alcohol and tobacco we can certainly do it with weed. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:59 AM

94. the overall tax rates could be lower as well

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:52 PM

4. and industrial hemp, too!

Cannabis is one of the most useful plants on earth.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

8. and industrial hemp, too!

Yes,absolutely......I recall,during the heyday of the fight against big tobacco,a report on hemp being released and then systematically squashed....It maintained that the tobacco growers could switch to hemp with many benefits for themselves and for us....The ability to grow,in the southern states,two crops a year,which would recharge the atmosphere in rain forest like fashion...Paper,cloth,a whole host of goods can be manufactured from hemp,saving trees,among other things...What a novel concept....Big paper,the logging industry,big pharma,the textile industry and a host of others,conspired,bought off the appropriate politicians and put the kibosh on the entire notion.......I also recall some sorry bastard loudmouths screaming that too many people would use the INDUSTRIAL hemp to get high....Heh!!

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:27 PM

17. i have two hemp shirts

That I bought in 2001. I still have them and worn them and washed them hundreds of times. They have not faded. I went to home a improvement exhibit and there was a display that showed how efficient it was when used for insulation. I also read how putting the plant whole into a smoothie is very healthy.

My husband and son found it was a pain killer while they had cancer. It also make dying easier for them.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:01 PM

40. hemp has many uses

and it makes great products

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:46 PM

51. I am very sorry to hear of your double tragedy.

And yes, there are many benefits to legalization.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:05 PM

60. i'm sorry for your loss

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:59 AM

95. a lack of a lobby probably regulated hemp to its current status

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:36 PM

11. +1

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Response to LWolf (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:04 AM

100. thanks LWolf

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:44 PM

14. its versatility and uses are far reaching

criminalization has kept us from exploring all of its uses, especially in medicine.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:18 AM

22. and we're still learning about its uses

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:07 PM

42. the worst thing the Feds can do is right against the will of the States

bold enough to be progressive with hemp

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:17 AM

129. I don't smoke or otherwise ingest marijuana

but industrial hemp is my primary reason for supporting legalization. I would absolutely love to be able to buy my non-leather, organic-hemp shoes as Made and Grown in America. Instead, they come from Hungary.

Why is the little nation of Hungary more advanced than us?

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Response to kentauros (Reply #129)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:59 AM

133. actually i don't smoke weed either

but i don't want to stop others

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Response to samsingh (Reply #133)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:13 AM

134. I don't want to stop them either.

I simply see industrial hemp as the best stepping stone to legalizing all plants in that family/species or whatever. If the ethanol-makers really wanted to stop using food crops for their product, industrial hemp is one of the best plants for that. And that's just one of the many billion-dollar money-makers from industrial hemp.

Marijuana can be grown by individuals, so it doesn't really have the money-making potential as the non-smokable variety

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Response to kentauros (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:01 PM

135. yes

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Response to kentauros (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:30 PM

137. the problem is that there is no science allowed in the USA, even though hemp in Canada is thriving

a few miles over the border.

(16) The term “marihuana” means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of such plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or resin. Such term does not include the mature stalks of such plant, fiber produced from such stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of such plant, any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such mature stalks (except the resin extracted therefrom), fiber, oil, or cake, or the sterilized seed of such plant which is incapable of germination.


medical and industrial are so far apart genetically- the law ^^^ is kind of f'd up. you can grow hemp with virtually no THC, and the law manages to allow hemp without allowing it to be grown (no LIVE seeds..)

The results showed three distinct "races" of cannabis. In central Asia the THC-rich indica predominated, while in western Europe sativa was more common. In India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica the rasta variant predominated. It looks similar to the sativa subspecies, but generally contains higher levels of THC.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725175.200-rasta-lends-its-name-to-a-third-type-of-cannabis.html

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Another paper in the series on chemotaxonomic variation in the terpenoid content of the essential oil of Cannabis revealed that several wide-leaflet drug strains in the collection had relatively high levels of certain sesquiterpene alcohols, including guaiol and isomers of eudesmol, that set them apart from the other putative taxa. Hillig concluded that the patterns of genetic, morphological, and chemotaxonomic variation support recognition of C. sativa and C. indica as separate species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#Continuing_research

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so, anyway, this is a good one if you haven't seen it-
http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/


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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #137)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:47 PM

139. I have a print version of Jack Herer's book.

I think I bought it after the first edition of "High Weirdness by Mail" came out

One thing I've imagined in recent years is the idea of a "Johnny Hempseed" person or even a movement. That is, to reseed the clear-cuts, fallow public lands and so forth. Especially seed the clear-cuts owned by paper companies, then "turn them in" for propagating illegal substances.

The methods I've considered include model rockets, RVs, balloons, or just people hand-seeding (at night.) For those methods that wouldn't be done by hand, you'd have to pack the live seeds in some kind of soil container so that the "payload" isn't eaten by birds, yet has a ready medium for sprouting and taking root quickly.

This would have the added benefit of preventing or reigning in erosion on these cleared lands, whether the plants survive their subsequent discovery or not. Tearing them out could give people a means to fight against their removal, perhaps if the erosion-control has done some good in any town or community downhill from the hemp fields. I know, that's probably a weak example, but it's something else to throw in the faces of the prohibitionist DEA and others like them

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Response to kentauros (Reply #139)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:09 PM

140. good ideas- i'd say work WITH birds- if they fill up on seeds, some will pass through...

finches love hemp, apparently

these are pretty cool- i like the egg shell and pill capsule- there must be a balloon that dissolves when it gets wet...
http://www.guerrillagardening.org/ggseedbombs.html



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-hm.0529.seedbomb-pg,0,4073581.photogallery

have you read the Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan? the johnny appleseed part is great- he was a wildman!

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #140)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:31 PM

141. I know I've heard the name, but can't remember

if I've ever read anything by Michael Pollan. So, thanks for the links, as they're giving me ideas

Oh, and one container to use instead of a balloon, at least for throwing, would be a gourd.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:38 PM

143. gourd! nice!

botany of desire is GREAT. he wrote the omnivore's dilemma, too, but B of D is the best to start with, i think. (there's a whole section on weed)

JON BROOKS: So is this meta-study a big deal?

MICHAEL POLLAN: I'm not sure it's a big deal. The media's playing it as if there were something new here, but this is not new research, it's a meta-study , and I've seen the exact same data analyzed in a very different direction. A lot of it depends on how you manage your assumptions and statistical method.

I think we're kind of erecting a straw man and then knocking it down, the straw man being that the whole point of organic food is that it's more nutritious. The whole point of organic food is that it's more environmentally sustainable. That's the stronger and easier case to make.

It's true the body of research around nutrition is really equivocal, and we need to do more studies on that. But the success of organic doesn't stand or fall on that question. This study disputes how significant the differences in antioxidant and nutrient levels are between organic and conventional food. But that's not central to the discussion of why organic is important, which has a lot more to do with how the soil is managed and the exposure to pesticides, not just in the eater's diet but to the farmworker.
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/09/04/michael-pollan-organic-study/

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #137)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:42 PM

145. some of the laws in the US are unfathomable

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Response to samsingh (Reply #145)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:00 PM

147. i might have posted this for you before...

before anyone knew ANYTHING about medical MJ, nixon's study recommended softening the laws...

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm

the below is buried at the end...

IV. Therapeutic Uses

RECOMMENDATION: INCREASED SUPPORT OF STUDIES WHICH EVALUATE THE EFFICACY OF MARIHIUANA TN THE TREATMENT OF PHYSICAL IMPAIRMENTS AND DISEASE IS RECOMMENDED.

Historical references have been noted throughout the literature referring to the use of cannabis products as therapeutically useful agents. Of particular significance for current research with controlled quality, quantity and therapeutic settings, would be investigations into the treatment of glaucoma, migraine, alcoholism and terminal cancer. The NIMII-FDA Psychotomimetic Advisory Committee's authorization of studies designed to explore the therapeutic uses of marihuana is commended.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncaddend_6.htm



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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #147)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:42 PM

148. wow

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Response to mike_c (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:48 PM

151. COMMON SENSE.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:52 PM

5. Pot needs high powered, big monied lobbyists

To counter the Big Pharma lobby machine that pays government officials to make sure that they stay the only "cure" that's legal.

Legalized weed would cripple anti-anxiety and depression drug sales.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:42 PM

12. taxing it should attract government interest

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:41 PM

144. i think weed will result in some new anti-anxiety and depression pills that may be more effective

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:54 PM

6. Legalization and decriminalization are two different things

Legalization is like alcohol and tobacco are now.

Decriminalization is like alcohol during Prohibition, it was still legal to consume and possess alcohol but not to sell, import or manufacture.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:43 PM

13. decriminalization is the first step

and then hopefully legalization would soon follow

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Response to samsingh (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:34 PM

49. They skipped decrim in Washington and went straight to legalization.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:44 PM

55. that's the ideal scenario - not sure if and when the other States would follow suit

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:55 PM

7. 6. The rest of the world won't be captive to our draconian drug laws n/t

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Response to RainDog (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:07 PM

43. right now, our drug policies are empowering cartels everywhere

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:15 PM

9. well that's just like your opinion, man.

The Dude abides.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:34 PM

10. We did. Now you all need to catch up..

But don't worry, by the time everyone else figures it out we'll already have a system in place that everyone can follow.

Colorado and Washington, the real leaders.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:45 PM

15. my concern is that the Federal government doesn't do anything to screw up

Colorado and Washington's bold and enlightened initiatives.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:24 PM

16. Amen from Colorado.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:28 PM

62. indeed

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:49 AM

25. This Californian is jealous!



I hope we'll be right behind you guys soon........next election maybe!

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Response to OnionPatch (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:00 PM

39. the proposition is trending towards passing

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:30 PM

18. Legalize it. Period

Taxing legalized pot is no different than what we now have. It's already taxed and that doesn't stop anyone from smoking, growing or buying it. If it's taxed then people will still go to jail or prison. That's what the problem is in the first place. NO one should go to jail for anything pot related. Complete legalization is what people want. Only Republican politicians are calling for it to be legalized and taxed. You'd think they'd be the people against the taxation of pot. Many of us old enough to remember when War on Drugs began also remember that we said it would cost money and end up being a waste of resources. WE were right and the conservatives were wrong. Again! When has the conservative right ever been on the side of right?? Not once that I can recall.

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Response to 1Greensix (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:16 AM

20. ...

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Response to Scuba (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:42 PM

146. thanks

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Response to 1Greensix (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:03 AM

30. Legalizing it makes absolute sense

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Response to 1Greensix (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:40 PM

36. why would taxing pot result in people going to Jail?

wouldn't legalizing it (and taxing it if that's what governments will be motivated by) keep people out of jail for pot offices?

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:19 PM

19. From your lips to Jah's ears. Nt

 

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:52 AM

21. As long as the price comes down, so it is cheaper to sell it legally

Should it still be illegal to sell UNTAXED marijuana? Just like booze and cigarettes - if someone can make a profit selling bootleg bud for a few bucks cheaper, they will.

Also, should there be quality standards for mold, fungus, and pesticide content? It seems while the weed itself is safe, what is in it is not always so. We need to be just as demanding about the purity and consistency of MJ as we are of food and manufactured medicines.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:19 AM

23. it would under this scenario

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:24 AM

24. Exactly!! Hemp products will soar!

 

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Response to xoom (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:19 PM

33. they are also environmentally friendly

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Response to samsingh (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:13 PM

56. Im not sure it can get any better than it is.its perfect.

 

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:51 AM

26. I agree!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:01 AM

98. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:05 AM

27. Noooo! Because the War on Drugs is the one "culture war" still worth fighting for!

I don't have any logic to back up my support for prohibition, nor can I see ANY historical parallels with the prohibition of alcohol--but I do have a lot of concerns. After all, THEY might be amongst us! We must develop a new test to find out before I'll be comfortable.

I'm your typical Drug Warrior!

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Response to Romulox (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:59 AM

28. where's the sarcasm note?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:05 AM

31. No sarcasm! Look at all the crappy Drug Warriors on this thread, for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2128777

This site is lousy with such "concerned" citizens. The vast majority of DUers don't comment on these issues at all, which I will assume to imply tacit support for the status quo...

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Response to Romulox (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:18 PM

32. i know, i would expect a lot more people to comment

on such an important topic

If Obama blows this issue, that could give the repugs a chance to get back into power. The flip is also true. Supporting the will of the public could give us decades of Democratic government. And this would allow us to create a truly great country.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:06 AM

77. The fix is already in place

Obama will alienate people on the left doubling down on the drug war, and moderates on the right with some out of place gun regulations..

hello next right wing admin...sucks

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Response to RedstDem (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:32 AM

81. i don't know that he's doubled down on the drug war yet

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:32 PM

34. rebels- refuse this tax bs

 

let me get this straight:

Government has been lying about this herb for 75 years or so, turning citizen upon citizen, gutting the bill of rights, destroying lives, killing pets, confiscating property and generally treating those who smoke flowertops because it makes them feel better than taking government approved Prozac or Zoloft or Luvox like terrorists.

And now those people are supposed to say ok, if you'll leave us alone we'll reward you lying filth with tax dollars? the same scum that patented the use of the main ingredient in marijuana while arresting dispensary owners and threatening the landlords with confiscation?

Hell no. Refuse this tax and regulate nonsense.

Maybe consider it after the government stops spending more than $2000 PER SECOND bombing people that weren't even alive when 911 happened.

http://costofwar.com/

Haven't people learned that giving liars and thieves more money rewards them instead of punishes them? What are these scum going to do with more tax dollars? Maybe start bombing Venezuela? If the crooks hadn't stolen the peoples wealth in the first place there wouldn't be any need for more taxes.

Shove the tax. Refuse the regulation of an herb. Try some freedom for a change.

PS: Don't believe the media BS- Washington didn't legalize cannabis, they decriminalized it. Why is the media lying to us?

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Response to green for victory (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:35 PM

35. without the tax, how will the government legalize it?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:46 PM

37. the people will demand it, There's jury nullification too.

 

time to stop acting like hostages in our own land FFS.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:48 PM

38. they've been demanding it, and its still not legal

and only decriminalized in 2 States.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:11 PM

44. more people are learning the truth

 

and when enough people know the truth there will be no jury in the land that will send someone to jail for growing an herb.

So it's compromise with liars and thieves or educate and hold out for true freedom.

Which choice would Thomas Jefferson or George Washington have picked?

What does "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" sound like today?
Please, sir, can I have some more?

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Response to green for victory (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:13 PM

45. i would like to clear the jails of pot offenders (who i don't think are offenders)

why wait?

the cost will go down, regardless of the tax, if weed is legal.

the tax should go to a good cause anyway.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:28 PM

47. This is the kind of ultra crap that helped sink Prop 19 in California.

Most people don't give a shit about pot. They don't smoke it. They don't think about. It's not a big issue.

They do give a shit about things like taxes and public services. The revenue from taxation argument is probably the strongest one legalization has. If legalizing weed can put money in the general fund, people who don't care about pot will vote for it, as we have seen in Colorado and Washington.

Now, don't get me wrong. I have issues with the initiatives in both states, more so with Washington's, which doesn't provide for personal cultivation and has that DUID provision (an unnecessary sop to scared parents, as Colorado showed by winning without having such a provision). But they are both legalization, albeit limited legalization. In Washington and Colorado, possession of small amounts is not decriminalized, it is legal. Period. We will see how the regulatory schemes they craft in those states turn out, and we will see how the feds react. It is an ongoing process. But both states envision legal, taxed, and regulated sale.

Personally, I prefer a scheme where personal cultivation and non-commercial distribution is legal and untaxed. But I have no problem paying a tax on a commercial marijuana transaction, just as I do with any other commercial transaction.

This anti-tax stuff seems like its coming from the Ron Paul wing of the marijuana movement. It fucked up Prop 19 in California and did its best to sabotage I 502 in Washington. I'm glad it didn't work there.

As for the media lying to us about legalization, well, yeah, maybe it is not unfettered, absolute legalization, but it is legalization. You can put an asterisk beside it if you wish, but headlines like "Washington Legalizes Marijuana" and "Colorado Legalizes Marijuana" are game-changers in themselves. That shit is rocking the world right now.

We'll see how many more states flip in 2016.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:11 PM

63. can the prop be proposed in 2014?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #63)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:36 PM

64. Anyone can try to do an initiative at any time.

But in California, it'll cost you about a million bucks just to get the signatures gathered. And count on several million more to be able to do an advertising campaign.

I expect there will be efforts to put a legalization initiative on the ballot in California in 2014. I also expect they will fail, because the deep-pocket people in the movement want to wait for 2016. Pro-pot voters tend to come out more in presidentiall election years.

Prop 19 got 47.6% in an off-year election. If it had been a presidential election year, it could have won.

California NORML (www.canorml.org) is holding its statewide conference in San Francisco later this month. They will be trying to forge some unity as we move forward.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #64)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:36 PM

66. 2016 is a long time to wait

can we get someone like Bill Mahr to take a lead?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 03:03 PM

68. The object is to actually win. Chances are better in a presidential election year.

As I said, anyone can try to put an initiative on the ballot.

Richard Lee of Oaksterdam University financed Prop 19 signature-gathering out of his own pocket. But then the campaign didn't have any money for statewide advertising. It got some late big-bucks contributions, but they were too little, too late.

The big donors--and there are really only a handful of them--are careful with their money. They don't want to throw it away on non-winning efforts.

Four different groups tried to get an initiative on the ballot in 2012. They were disunited, couldn't demonstrate that they had a shot of winning, couldn't raise any significant money, and failed to make the ballot.

The big donors--the Marijuana Policy Project, the Drug Policy Alliance, Peter Lewis, George Soros--are all counseling California activists to wait for 2016.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:02 PM

69. agreed

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Response to green for victory (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:20 PM

53. Ah

 

Checked just the first name in the patent application: "Project Officer at National Institute on Drug Abuse / NIH"

Don't forget that criminalizing a plant is insane, they really are insane, and how do you speak to insane people? Especially ones holding not only guns but insanely destructive armies and weaponry...

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Response to tama (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:52 PM

65. Other scientists have filed other patents on cannabinoids.

I see quite a few from Raphael Mechoulem, who is a leading medical marijuana researcher not affiliated with NIDA/NIH.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:58 AM

127. competition will be helpful

anything that becomes a monopoly can become a problem

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Response to tama (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:57 PM

67. criminalizing weed has set humanity back by decades or more

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Response to tama (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:00 AM

96. very true

a plant is a plant and should not be illegal

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Response to green for victory (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:09 AM

78. I second this notion

or whatever the correct word...motion?

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Response to RedstDem (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:01 AM

97. i think its motion!

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:16 PM

46. Fuck that. There's no reason to tax it beyond sales tax.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:32 PM

48. There is a reason to tax it beyond sales tax.

It's called winning elections. Voters who don't give a shit about pot do give a shit about revenues going into the general fund.

Sure, I would prefer not to pay an excise tax, but I pay such taxes on other items. It would be a small price to pay for legalization.

But I hope I can just grow my own, untaxed, and stay out of the commercial market.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #48)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:06 PM

61. Good point

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:36 PM

50. Kicked and recommended for common sense and logic.

Thanks for the thread, samsingh.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:42 PM

54. thanks Uncle Joe

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:47 PM

52. Absolutely!

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Response to trixie (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:27 AM

86. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:40 PM

57. hell yes! why the hell not? cool infographic from another thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022133415

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Safed, Israel — Moshe Rute survived the Holocaust by hiding in a barn full of chickens. He nearly lost the use of his hands after a stroke two years ago. He became debilitated by recurring nightmares of his childhood following his wife's death last year.

"But after I found this, everything has been better," said the 80-year-old, as he gingerly packed a pipe with marijuana.

Rute, who lives at the Hadarim nursing home outside of Tel Aviv, is one of more than 10,000 patients who have official government permission to consume marijuana in Israel, a number that has swelled dramatically, up from serving just a few hundred patients in 2005.

The medical cannabis industry is expanding as well, fueled by Israel's strong research sector in medicine and technology — and notably, by government encouragement. Unlike in the United States and much of Europe, the issue inspires almost no controversy among the government and the country's leadership. Even influential senior rabbis do not voice any opposition to its spread, and secular Israelis have a liberal attitude on marijuana.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121104/NATION/211040303

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The left and centre-left parties favor new regulations of the supply of cannabis to the coffeeshops, arguing the resulting taxes would bring the treasury €500 million – €300 million in taxes and €200 million in savings to the police and criminal justice system.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2012/10/12/weed-for-all-again-dutch-politicians-say-maybe/

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:02 PM

59. interesting momentum may be building

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:27 PM

58. K&R

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:32 PM

70. Been saying that since 1984

And totally not to be a debbie downer here but there are three huge problems that would have to be solved before weed is ever made legal and is decriminalized on the federal level.

1. Laws and Law Enforcement. There is money in the war on drugs, from grants to police and state, local and federal law enforcement agencies. Not to mention prisons. Also weed is a drug like booze. And until law enforcement as some type of procedure to determine (for lack of better word), sobriety, (maybe a high test), legalizing weed will go no where.

2. Big Pharmaceutical Cartel. They own the patten on thc. Which is stupid much like many other pattens they own that are really the property of mother earth. They want you to pay $200 per pill not $20-80 a 1/4 ounce. And they want you to pay it to them not anyone else.

3. The Drug Cartels. They are making tons of money and legalizing it in the US will hurt their bottom line so they won't let this happen without being heard.

Trust me I am a huge supporter of legalizing weed. I will continue to support leagizing it. I hope other states will get it on their ballots. I hope people will as time passes change their 1920's racist reasons for being anti drug attitude.


If CO and WA weren't so damn cold I'd move there.

Ok I need to find some food I got the munchies

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Response to kydo (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:36 PM

71. people are starting to listen

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Response to samsingh (Reply #71)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:46 PM

72. I've been hearing that too since 1985

and yet here we still are.

I don't think it was ever that no one wasn't listening. Peoples attitudes are changing. And that is true. It takes time and as generations change so do their attitudes.

But the war on drugs is way more then just people changing attitudes. They still have to work to over turn these really dumb laws. Thats the hard part. Because this is where money starts to cloud the issue. Money as been winning this war. But it is a long war and it could change, especially when they run out of money.

Ok I need coke to go with my chips and whoo football is getting ready to start

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Response to kydo (Reply #72)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:37 AM

75. i don't think any States have gone as far before this year

like Gay Marriage, which i think has reached a tipping point towards wide acceptance, pot usage may begin to follow that path.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:22 PM

73. more stuff

http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/Discussion-of-I-502-with-Asotin-Co-Prosecutor-185713102.html

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http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/celebrity/Snoop+Dogg+Lion+ready+roll+marijuana+education/7776665/story.html

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"It's a tentative step in the right direction," Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, said of Obama's statement. "He said we need a 'conversation,' and that's very promising. This sounds a lot like what he said about gay marriage a couple of years ago."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-legal-marijuana-20121215,0,5518803.story

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The city, in a novel lawsuit seeking to block U.S. Officials from forcing the dispensary to close, says the federal government’s own scientists have found medical benefits for pot and have secured a U.S. patent for use of the drug, even as prosecutors have targeted medical cannabis dispensaries.
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2012/13941/city-of-oakland-spars-in-court-with-feds-over-medical-marijuana/

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this is the report Nixon called for and ignored, which is why things are f'd now...

A Final Comment

In this Chapter, we have carefully considered the spectrum of social and legal policy alternatives. On the basis of our findings, discussed in previous Chapters, we have concluded that society should seek to discourage use, while concentrating its attention on the prevention and treatment of heavy and very heavy use. The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective. We have attempted to balance individual freedom on one hand and the obligation of the state to consider the wider social good on the other. We believe our recommended scheme will permit society to exercise its control and influence in ways most useful and efficient, meanwhile reserving to the individual American his sense of privacy, his sense of individuality, and, within the context of ail interacting and interdependent society, his options to select his own life style, values, goals and opportunities.

The Commission sincerely hopes that the tone of cautious restraint sounded in this Report will be perpetuated in the debate which will follow it. For those who feel we have not proceeded far enough, we are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's advice to George Washington that "Delay is preferable to error." For those who argue we have gone too far, we note Roscoe Pound's statement, "The law must be stable, but it must not stand still."

We have carefully analyzed the interrelationship between marihuana the drug, marihuana use as a behavior, and marihuana as a social problem. Recognizing the extensive degree of misinformation about marihuana as a drug, we have tried to demythologize it. Viewing the use of marihuana in its wider social context, we have tried to desymbolize it.

Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem.

The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #73)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:23 AM

74. encouraging

we need President Obama to shift his thinking as he did with Gay marriage.

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:44 PM

150. there is a lot of literature supporting further investigation into the benefits of weed, hemp etc

these could lead to practical discoveries to reduce climate change, better drugs, smaller carbon footprint etc.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:06 AM

76. Why?

Let's ignore the f*ing misery the pot heads have wreaked upon Mexico.

Why?

Is there a reason to help people get high? It cannot be medical, there is a non-high version of weed.

Sadly it is fact, that if MJ is needed there is a line out there that supplies everything but the high, so why not champion that one?

I approve of the one that does not get people high, less stoned people on the road cannot be a bad thing?

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:11 AM

79. you pretend its the pot, i'll pretend its the cocaine

we can all live under our own illusions

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Response to RedstDem (Reply #79)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:14 AM

80. between both of us

I suspect it will end no better then our peers

although i will admit pot is mild as hell, milder the alcohol at least, just don't lie to me in an argument for legalizing it


Surest way to piss people off is to lie to them.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #80)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:34 AM

83. who's lying about pot?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #83)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:42 AM

88. Riftaxe.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #88)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:52 AM

89. i see

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #91)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:03 AM

99. why are you becoming so intense. We're having a discussion where opinions are being shared?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #99)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:06 AM

101. Hmm because i was accused of lying

I sent the offender 4 links, he might share, probably not.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #101)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:07 AM

102. okay

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Response to samsingh (Reply #83)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:54 AM

90. Easy, those claiming it is medicinal

if that is true, there is a variety that does not induce "being high"

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Response to RedstDem (Reply #79)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:35 AM

84. the war on drugs is causing the civil war in Mexico

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:33 AM

82. what's wrong with what's done with alcohol?

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:18 AM

85. HIV patients have told me that the synthetic pill does not work the same way

or at all. Their doctors give them the Marinol scrip so they won't get fired, but also tell them to use the real stuff.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #85)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:28 AM

87. i wouldn't expect the synthetic version to work or work as well

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:30 AM

107. Are you in favor of criminalizing alcohol use / possession / manufacture?

Please explain your answer.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:13 PM

111. it's prohibition of pot that has wreaked misery on mexico.

i can assure you, in states with legal weed, very little of it comes from Mexico.

as for "helping" people get high, we'd better revert back to prohibition of alcohol, then.

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Response to uncle ray (Reply #111)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:19 PM

114. i would be surprised to find that weed comes from out of state

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:21 PM

154. There is one in every crowd..

that thinks they should have the right to remove the pleasure from everything.

What will you be pushing for next??Orgasmless sex?Or buzzless alcohol?Maybe outlawing spinning to get dizzy?

Anything that produces a good feeling ought to be outlawed?

good grief..scary thinking.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:55 AM

92. No! We must continue to ruin lives and give the police millions of easy busts!

Think about the starving private prison guards!!!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #92)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:57 AM

93. again, where's the sarcasm sign?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #93)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:17 AM

105. Hopefully,

in your brain.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #105)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:47 AM

109. ha ha

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Response to tabasco (Reply #92)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:01 PM

110. I visited gungeon discussion (by mistake)

 

and learned that without MIC and the jobs it gives and salaries it pays, economy would burst. And no doubs same goes for DEA, police and prison guards unions and other "honest working people".

Many people really see world that way, without sarcasm tags attached or implied.

I'm half serious thinking that reeducation camps with obligatory daily cannabis use and trips with more potent psychoactive essences would do them and our communities with alienated nature relation a world of good.

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Response to tama (Reply #110)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:30 PM

116. i do that as well. it's very trying

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:10 AM

103. um. from my monsanto thread...YEESH! please, for humanity's sake, NO FRANKEN WEED!!!

if you aren't up on medical MJ, the THC (and CBD) are the medicine, so trying to take it out is basically the dumbest thing i've ever heard...

Researchers from the College of Biological Science of the University of Minnesota have identified the genes in the Cannabis plant that produce tetra-hydro-cannabinol (THC), claiming in a press release that it is “a first step toward engineering a drug-free Cannabis plant”. George Weiblen, an associate professor of plant biology and a co-author of the study, said “Cannabis genetics can contribute to better agriculture, medicine, and drug enforcement”.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/prop-19-monsanto-and-gmo-terminator-cannabis/

(very long ^^^, from 2 years ago...things are worse now, no doubt!)

At his Amsterdam glasshouses, he nods conspiratorially at the healthy- looking garden produce. “Don’t say anything yet, but we are also working on putting THC into tomatoes,” he confides. Then he cackles reassuringly: “Only kidding!”

David Watson has stated “HortaPharm has built up over many years the most extensive ‘Living Library’ of Medicinal Cannabis varieties in the world”.

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Under the agreement GW Pharma will be responsible for the development of specific drug delivery technologies to administer the pharmaceutical grade medicinal cannabis. This work will include a vaporizer for which HortaPharm has a patent pending.
(look up Sativex, they did it!)

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“”Physicians will be able to monitor patient usage remotely,” continued Guy. “People won’t be able to tamper with our devices, even though they are portable and easy to use. You’d need a metal saw or a blowtorch to get into one of them. These controls answer concerns of those who worry that our extracts will be used inappropriately. And, these devices can be adapted for other medicines, ensuring patient safety and medical efficacy.”“

“Dr Guy and his representatives have engaged in high level discussions with the DEA, FDA, the Office for National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP), National Institute for Drug Abuse (NIDA) and senior state officials in California and Maine.”

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“”GW occupies a lead position world-wide,” concludes Guy. “We are uniquely placed to become the first company to achieve regulatory approval for prescription cannabis-based medicines.”“

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http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/19879
“Patented Pot vs. the Herbal Gold Standard by David Malmo-Levine”

“How patented marijuana strains and medicines may threaten the re-legalization movement, curb information sharing, set up a monopoly for certain breeders and medicine producers and limit users to a more expensive and inferior product. Their economic value to the pharmaceutical houses which produce them will be directly proportional to the severity of the prohibition against the use of cannabis.”

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“GW Pharmaceutical was granted a license to grow cannabis for medical research in 1998 and it’s partner Bayer was granted a patent for Sativex in 2006. Sativex comes in a 5.5 ml spray bottle for $102 U.S. Dollars, which supplies about 51 sprays – enough for an average ten day supply. It is now available in Canada for MS and cancer pain, and has most recently become available in Britain and parts of Spain for use in the treatment of some other symptoms and syndromes.”

“GW Pharmaceutical has even patented a strain of cannabis called “Grace” in Canada. It was patented in 2005 under the Plant Breeders’ Rights Act. Under this 1994 Act, all plant species (except algae, bacteria, and fungi) are eligible for “protection” (exclusive rights to sell) for 18 years. Medicine patents last between ten to twenty years depending on the country.”

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“The modern version of this monopoly began in 1910 with the Flexner Report – a report that succeeded in closing down all the naturopathic and herbal medicine schools by the 1930′s. This report was partially engineered by the Rockefeller Foundation. The removal of these schools would assist the Rockefeller family in protecting their investments in pharmaceuticals from botanical competition. The Rockefeller Institute and Rockefeller Foundation were also key players in the development of the sciences of genetics and molecular biology – the fields in which the concepts of patenting of life-forms originated. Standard Oil – now Exxon/Mobil and a host of other oil companies – was the Rockefeller Foundation’s source of income. Interestingly, in 1927 Standard Oil became business partners with Bayer – the marketer and distributor of Sativex in Canada.”

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #103)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:33 PM

113. Good point

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:39 AM

108. legalization of hemp/cannabis/marijuana threatens profits in many industries!

especially the drug industries! If you can grow your own antidepressant you won't need their zoloft, valium, prozac, and so many other drugs that they make billions on.
If it's legal, it can be grown for fuel instead of diesel. And alcohol can be made from it.
It can be made into plastics or something actually better that is stronger & completely biodegradable.


Popular Mechanics magazine called it a billion dollar crop back in 1938. www.jackherer.com/marijuana-facts/billion-crop/

Then Dupont and other corps bought a few politicians(Harry Anslinger) and began the process of demonizing and making it illegal in 1939! And the propaganda succeeded to this day!

Not to mention the textiles and paper that it can be made into with much superior quality. Just a few of the thousands of uses but the corporations do not want it legal and will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. And you know they own most of our so called representatives.

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Response to wildbilln864 (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:55 AM

119. true - but it will generate profits in others

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Response to samsingh (Reply #119)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:41 AM

120. yes eventually.

I think it would. A billion dollar crop it was called in the late thirties.

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Response to wildbilln864 (Reply #120)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:25 PM

124. it would become multi-billions very quickly

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Response to samsingh (Reply #124)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:00 PM

125. and create jobs galore! nt

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Response to wildbilln864 (Reply #125)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:02 AM

128. there is no reason to hesitate here

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Response to samsingh (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:19 PM

131. agreed! nt

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:41 PM

112. At this point, I wouldn't even tax it.

Let people grow it and smoke/eat/inhale it. We'll save a forture in jail and law-enforcement costs, pharmaceutical costs, and probably other things as well.


And this will save far more lives than any of the gun-control proposals floating around that are being toted as savings lives.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #112)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:03 PM

130. agreed

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:24 PM

115. kick!

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:51 PM

117. I sure get tired of the "tax and regulate" argument.

What is it with the "We'll pay taxes if you'll let us have our Cannabis" argument anyway?

Really...don't understand the rush to pay a tax in exchange for a right we should have anyway.

in my opinion it is ridiculous.

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Response to Oldenuff (Reply #117)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:04 PM

118. do you prefer that weed remains illegal?

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Response to Oldenuff (Reply #117)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:44 AM

123. it's called "acknowledging reality".

we do not live in a Libertarian Utopia. in a society where we tax alcohol, cigarettes, just about everything except food, only a fool would think "just legalize it" will work. most users know that it isn't completely harmless, treatment programs need to be funded, and i personally don't have a problem with retail sales helping pay for treatment of other drug addiction and education programs. not to mention funding for the regulatory system needed for the retail pot sector.

perhaps you simply haven't looked closely at our new marijuana laws. in CO you can grow your own, tax free, just don't get caught selling it. i don't see much to complain about in a state where you can legally grow your own, give and/or be given up to an ounce for free, but pay a few % excise tax should one decide to buy from a retail store. grow your own and avoid the tax issue. our regulations for growing your own are a six plant limit per adult, and it must be behind a locked door.

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Response to uncle ray (Reply #123)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:17 PM

126. that seems to be a good place to start

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:06 AM

121. well, looky here! Jack Herer's Emperor Wears No Clothes for free!

This is the book that started the hemp revolution. More than 600,000 copies have been sold to date. Jack wanted this information to be available to everyone, so he published the text of the book here on the internet for free.

If you would like to make a donation, thank you.

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

Wasting Time, Wasting Lives

More than 100 years have passed since the 1894 British Raj commission study of hashish smokers in India reported cannabis use was harmless and even helpful. Numerous studies since have all agreed: The most prominent being Siler, LaGuardia, Nixon’s Shafer Commission, Canada’s LeDain Commission, and the California Research Advisory Commission.


there's a guy i wish i'd met...

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also, this is kinda frikkin' hysterical-
JUST WHAT WAS HE SMOKING?
Now that the latest tapes from the Nixon White House have been released, the press is all over them with characteristic glee, eager as always to remind us that not long ago the leader of the free world was buggier than a flophouse blanket. Don't you get tired of this?

Me neither.


http://www.mapinc.org/newscsdp/v02/n520/a08.html

the part about Meathead is priceless



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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:09 AM

122. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:31 PM

132. Kick.

:kick:

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:47 PM

153. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:10 PM

136. Amen.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #136)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:43 PM

149. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:46 PM

138. The only issue with #1 is:

There is already immense profits to be made by states and private prison corporations by locking users up...Law enforcement get bigger grants for new high-tech toys to play with; the people who make those high-tech toys use those profits to make newer, pricier high-tech toys, And "tough on crime" politicians/judges/DAs score political points by keeping certain "kinds" of people off the streets...

These groups aren't just going to jump off the gravy train without some pushback...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:36 PM

142. they are the problem

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:21 PM

152. its even worse than you think

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. “This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors.”

According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.

CRIME GOES DOWN, JAIL POPULATION GOES UP

According to reports by human rights organizations, these are the factors that increase the profit potential for those who invest in the prison industry complex:

. Jailing persons convicted of non-violent crimes, and long prison sentences for possession of microscopic quantities of illegal drugs. Federal law stipulates five years’ imprisonment without possibility of parole for possession of 5 grams of crack or 3.5 ounces of heroin, and 10 years for possession of less than 2 ounces of rock-cocaine or crack
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #152)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:34 AM

155. that's scary and really makes me angry at the unfairness of it all

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:37 PM

156. classification of MJ as schedule 1 drug is untenable- scientific paper- also THC suppositories!

Rectal suppositories are also used to deliver THC hemisuccinate.



The classification of marijuana as a Schedule I drug as well as the continuing controversy as to whether or not cannabis is of medical value are obstacles to medical progress in this area. Based on evidence currently available the Schedule I classification is not tenable; it is not accurate that cannabis has no medical value, or that information on safety is lacking. It is true cannabis has some abuse potential, but its profile more closely resembles drugs in Schedule III (where codeine and dronabinol are listed). The continuing conflict between scientific evidence and political ideology will hopefully be reconciled in a judicious manner .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3358713/?tool=pubmed

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #156)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:23 AM

157. thanks for this detail

your post makes sense

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