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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:45 PM

The Rape Crew: Trent Mays, Malik Richmond, Michael Colin Nodianos, Charlie Keenan, Cody Saltzman

Repeat their names as often as you can. These hideous, proud gang-rapists deserve to be exposed that much more for the efforts of their coaches and local officials to protect them.

For those who are unaware: http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/steubenvillefiles/

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/inside-anonymous-hacking-file-steubenville-rape-crew/60502/

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Reply The Rape Crew: Trent Mays, Malik Richmond, Michael Colin Nodianos, Charlie Keenan, Cody Saltzman (Original post)
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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:57 PM

1. Kick. n/t

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:58 PM

2. I would like to see Anonymous ruin these "men", and I use the word "men" lightly.

The players, the coaches, anyone who is connected with this horrific incident - the law will do what the law will do, but if Anonymous is of any use at all, I'd like to see them use their alleged powers to financially ruin these subhuman animals. I want this to follow them forever - on any job applications, student loans, college applications, credit checks, mortgages, apartment leases, car loans, anything involving the exchange of currency. Make it impossible for them to earn a livelihood, ever.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:54 PM

3. I would prefer that their many victims be allowed to "ruin" them

That would send a message, right enough.

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Response to riqster (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:06 PM

4. My sincere hope is that they can adequately be dealt with effectively in a court of law.

Unfortunately the complicity of the local law enforcement apparatus, and the general inadequacy of our legal system in dealing with crimes against women, make me less than confident that this will actually transpire. But I certainly hope it does.

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:10 PM

6. K&R!!

 

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:22 PM

9. Thanks! n/t

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:07 PM

5. I'm having pretty violent "vigilante justice" fantasies at the moment.

That isn't something I'm proud of, and it certainly isn't something I would act on, but it is where I am right now.

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:24 AM

176. Same here

Including the parents of these trash, the HS football coach, the DA, the Sheriff

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:27 PM

13. agree. ruin. and i do not take that lightly. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:31 PM

15. The things I want for these men and their enablers would get my post deleted.

I am not proud of the things I would like these subhuman pieces of garbage to experience, but at this point it is what I want. I hope that more balanced and less rash minds than my own may handle their punishment.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:59 PM

24. Agree. Ruin them.

I wonder if some enterprising federal prosecutor can bring charges.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:53 PM

123. Concur. nt

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:20 PM

7. kick

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:21 PM

8. Thank you. n/t

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:24 PM

10. Ugh...and I wonder how often this DOES go on......

makes my heart hurt for her, and my blood boil for them.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:25 PM

12. I agree.

Watching the video of the one guy sniggering about it all is just hideous.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:24 PM

11. K & R.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:28 PM

14. Thank you n/t

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:32 PM

16. Holy crap. That's the first time I've read this story in detail and I'm truly appalled....

....some people need to go to jail, to include the so-called "Rape Crew", the sheriff, the prosecuting attorney, and anyone else who may be involved in these horrible crimes to include attempting to cover them up.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:34 PM

17. It is one of the most disgusting things I have read about in a long time.

Even more disgusting that the only way it got the attention it deserved was through extra-legal channels.

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:43 PM

20. comments didnt help any. drugged, dragged to parties to be raped and HER reputation is ruined.

filmgenius and 96 more
I don't think they were just drunk. I think they were high too. What they mean by dead is her reputation is dead. Meaning no one will ever date her or sleep with her again. This is just boys being stupid because they are too young to understand the seriousness of the situation. Maybe instead of making internet threats and forcing them to say sorry, Anonymous should have just emailed this video to their parents. Even if they did say they were sorry, they don't mean it. You can't shame a teenage boy into feeling remorse. All they see is their friends getting in trouble because of a girl.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:47 PM

149. Do you know why you can't shame a teenaged boy?

 

Or girl? Or the adults they become?

Because, they've been excused their actions throughout most of their lives.

Emailing this to their parents would be pointless, since its the parents who allowed their kids to grow into these monsters.

The town (and presumably the parents) already knew much of this information. It would have taken a conscious effort of will to remain ignorant of at least the basic details. Too many people, made the distinction between what they KNEW, and what they'd heard.

Anonymous is just bringing the details out into the open for the whole world to see.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #149)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:51 PM

152. i was going thru my mind earlier today, how i could look my boys in the eyes if they

participated in something like this. would change how i see them. i was thinking about these parents. and how they feel about their boys now.... how they do it.

you make a good point.

i cannot even fathom this. it is really beyond me. i was reading the anonymous some more. very long. did not read it all earlier. read some more and you are right.

everyone, all the adults, where creating a world for them with NO moral compass.

interesting. thanks.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:39 PM

18. sick fucks

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Response to ceile (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:42 PM

19. A whole town of them it seems like n/t

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:58 AM

162. And we talk about what has been done in war zones like Congo, not as heinous but working up to it.

Most of a community felt this was okay - not just a half dozen, a dozen, but many more. I can't see any difference except she isn't dead - and having been given a drug, she could have been.

That these guys thought this was just a thing to do - for any reason - to use their own bodies in this fashion to do this to another human being...

I can't see that any of them can ever be taught any different. Something is broken inside of them that cannot be restored. They should all be put away for life, they cannot be taught. They have found the highest use for themselves.

And yet they are walking free and getting all the good things in life - I feel much less safe with every one of these stories that come out.

Thanks for posting this thread, antigone
.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #162)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:05 PM

191. "...not as heinous but working up to it."

"I feel much less safe with every one of these stories that come out."

A few weeks ago I was waiting for the bus. It was past 9:30 pm. I was in a well lit area, but there's still always that uneasiness when you're out alone at night. I heard a group of about 5 men approaching & I was on edge until they were clearly past. They were laughing & joking among themselves & I doubt they had any realization how much angst their presence caused. I hate that I live in a society where so many men are raised to believe that masculinity is about domination, aggression & control & getting what you want at any cost. It's such a perverted world view & causes great harm.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:46 PM

21. Confused...

Are the guys in the video suspected of actually participating in the rape, or are they just being assholes about it after the fact.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:49 PM

23. They are just there laughing about it.

I don't believe the 2 who are accused of rape are in the video.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:17 PM

31. When I watched the video (it was painful, all 12 minutes)

it sounded like the guy who was doing the talking had in fact participated in the rape as well. He talks about sodomizing the girl, and how she didn't wake up when she was sodomized (much cruder terms were used, but I don't know how else to put it). He also comments on her vagina being dry. This makes me think he was a participant.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:59 PM

25. it's my understanding that several of the persons in question...

...were likely accessories to rape, rather than the rapists themselves, although I also understand that the investigation has been flawed to such an extent that the actual degree of shared responsibility is obfuscated. I've also read that at least one other young woman has come forward and implicated others beyond the two currently facing charges, and that there might be other victims as well.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:47 PM

38. i herd she was dragged to three parties and various "boys" participated in the rape.

they have not put forth the effort to go after them.

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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:41 PM

79. I've just spent some time reading the online Steubenville Herald-Star...

...and I kinda need a shower.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/

Yes, she was apparently taken to three parties that night (Aug 11-12). PARTIES, meaning lots of people present, most of them presumably high school students. Although quite a few cell phones were later confiscated and examined, only two pics of the victim (naked) were recovered, and none depicting the actual assaults. Three boys later testified before a probable cause hearing that they witnessed at least some of the assaults-- their testimony and the two pics on Trent Mays' phone were instrumental in bringing charges against Mays and Richmond, but it's clear from the stories that at least one of the boys who testified was likely an accessory to sexual assault because he transported the victim and Mays, witnessed Mays raping her in the back of the car, and did nothing except to drive them to the next party.

But the part that disgusts me the most is that this was a very public series of assaults. It was performed to intentionally humiliate the victim-- evidently she had rebuffed Cody Saltsman previously. It was revenge rape, and public humiliation was part of the assault. Although the Ohio State Police examined 15 cell phones and two iPads, they found only the two pics on Mays' phone and claimed that none of the (presumed) deleted photos were recoverable. Nonetheless, crime blogger Alexandria Goddard later turned up some additional photos, like this one posted or texted by Saltsman:



There are at least three people other than the victim in that pic, and two recipients who's emails are listed. And nobody knows a damned thing other than the three boys who testified to witnessing the assault. Although pictures evidently flew among cell phones that night and in the following days, by the time of the investigation they'd been sanitized. And although the victim was evidently assaulted at three separate parties, NO ONE ELSE SAW ANYTHING. The police chief says he's begged witnesses to come forward, but none have other than the three boys who likely testified to avoid their own (probably tangential) culpability.

That's what disgusts me the most about this. Much of the community has closed ranks behind the rapists and abettors. A local high school football worship site refers to Anon as "terrorists" for posting the most recent video (http://www.rollredroll.com/).

Another great source for info is the #OccupySteubenville site: http://www.occupysteubenville.com/

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:53 PM

85. "meaning lots of people present" drag a naked, unconscious girl into parties. assaulting her on the

lawn, driveway, cars, and houses... EVERY kid knows what is going on. adn knows before she is dragged to the next party and they are there waiting. damn straight. you have a right on. so.... as far as i am concerned, for all the cowards, OUT THEM. ALL of them.

gonna check out the #occupyst link.

i heard it was an XBF that wanted revenge and he got a football player.... i heard it started at the prosecutors house, he lured her and friends there. and maybe more than one drugged.

we will see all that comes out. but, in just 24 hours, a lot has happened.

thanks mike c. value tons.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:19 PM

115. *Vomit*

I started trying to read this story at Jezebel and then the comments got to me. This is inhuman.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:53 PM

122. Forensics experts have recovered more.

Thankfully, deleting things does not always remove all evidence, and kids are stupider than many of the more savvy predators.

CNN is reporting that in this evidence recovered from mobile phones and ipads, the victim appears to be consistently unresponsive. If that is the case, it is particularly damning. Especially if it is video evidence.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:53 PM

124. I could not watch the video. Look at this guy on the right - is that Cody? Or someone else?

Was he charged? Which one is he?

Look at that smile on his face. It looks like this is something that they did every single day.

I cannot look at this thread anymore, but will look for posts to my questions here from anyone.

I'm sorry, it's making me physically ill.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:33 AM

164. Throw the book at 'em.

All of em, everyone involved who didn't step up and try to stop it.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #164)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:12 AM

167. And tie a brick to the book while you're at it...

I don't know about the video per se. I could just been a bunch of teenaged boys being ignorant assholes. But there's a pretty good chance that at least one of them was present. Anybody who aided and abetted the crime, or aided and abetted the cover-up, needs to be held accountable. I suspect there's going to be a very large circle of defendants.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #79)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:06 PM

197. PROSECUTE NODIANO(S)

He is a dangerous sack of lard, an accessory who deserves DOC time if convicted. Pick him up, toss in....STIR(.)

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:20 PM

102. Does anybody have the jury results for post #44 being hidden?

Why was that post hidden?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:27 PM

103. I was wondering the same thing....

There's nothing problematical in that response that I can see.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:36 PM

104. i was curious myself.

not seeing anything so tos wasnt checked.

maybe the link??? that is all i can think of. but, i had seen that link elsewhere. so clueless.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #102)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:25 AM

153. +1

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Response to mike_c (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:46 PM

120. There was a goddamn conspiracy before and after the fact and, if I understand the law correctly, all

 

parties to a conspiracy are equally guilty of any of the actions undertaken by any of the conspirators. In this case, there's no such thing as "accessories to rape." Just rape and rapists.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:54 AM

161. The one guy was there

The guy in the video in the comments actually seems to have witnessed it. Not only did he star in this video confessional, he also live tweeted the rape as it happened. I saw screen caps of the tweets earlier.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:47 PM

22. this story is utterly appalling....

I haven't watched the video-- there doesn't seem to be any need to confirm the awfulness and my blood pressure doesn't need anything else to boil about. But I am grateful to Anon for boosting this story to national attention. Those young men need to be in a world of hurt that goes on and on for what they've done-- and were apparently stupid enough to brag about and be proud of, and their parents, as well as the high school, it's athletic program, anyone else who has covered for them or supported their sense of fucking entitlement needs to share their suffering, too.

What the fuck is wrong with people? How can anyone in that community stand up for these asshats?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:00 PM

26. Castrate the little fucking pricks.

And make em wear their "jewels" around their neck for life. Bastards. Thats about the kindest thing I can think of.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

27. hoping that anonymous destroys that town

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Response to frylock (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:29 PM

77. How about a drone strike?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:13 PM

28. Hey Anonymous...

...go ALL the way, these animals sure as hell did, and with this many "good citizens" culpable, having knowledge, controlling the "damage", they should not be spared ANY grief, ffs! Out 'em all.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:13 PM

29. this has been on my mind all day

The community that allowed this to happen breaks my heart. The adults who enabled it make me sick. I don,'t know how you unlearn world views like that but I know it must be possible. We've got to stop this type of thinking behavior, culture.

I think the prosecuter who covered for her kid is disgusting, I noticed that several of the football players live with school board members and so on, probably high school version of illegal recruiting.

The prosecuter was school board superintendent, her son was one of gang, her house the location of one of the parties, she talked the girl and her mother out of pressing charges by saying the press wuld drag the girl throigh the mud, the recused herself after 2 weeks, I wonder how many cell phones were rounded up and deleted?

Before she went to wv to testify for the wvu player that got probation for armed robbery, he was a former player at this schoo.

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Response to d_r (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:51 PM

39. one of the booster that had this shit in email also had porn of underage that appeared to be camera

hidden in a bathroom. the ultimate in a perverted creepy pathetic man. this is what the boys had for their role model.

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Response to d_r (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:02 PM

45. She is a hideous person.

She can burn in hell.

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Response to d_r (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:50 PM

121. Anon needs to be out every detail on this criminal bunch.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:16 PM

30. This is why people need to get loud

Because these people have in effect gotten a pass, and the next generation will probably do it again.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:28 PM

32. Steubenville, OH is the comfortable home of The Rape Crew.

When their names are repeated, be sure to add "Steubenville, OH is the comfortable home of The Rape Crew".

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:30 PM

33. K&R

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:32 PM

34. Will the Old School Good-Old-Boys ever die?

I say chemically castrate them. (Don't ask me what that means, read it on a post here somewhere and never got an answer to it's meaning. Whatever it is, it sounds lethal.) Yeah, these kids are the lowest of the low and probably sons of the lowest of the lowest. I pray that they will all be held accountable. Including the aiders and abbetors whomever they be.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:49 AM

174. Here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

Seems FAR too good for these pathetic, sub-human wastes of space.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #174)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:32 PM

198. Yeah...

...thanks for pointing me to the definition. In this case, I retract my statement, and opt for a long long prison term. Yeah, chemical is just too kind. Every three months a shot? What if they run?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:39 PM

35. How old were these guys when these crimes were committed?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:55 PM

40. both who currently face charges are 16-- assault took place last August....

eom

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Response to mike_c (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:01 PM

43. Thanks.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:18 PM

73. They need to be charged as adults

and where is the state police?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:41 PM

36. Another horrible story where football...

Is the god worshiped above everyone, and everything else.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:42 PM

37. Bravo to those that cared enough to help the victims


K&R!

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:57 PM

41. The prosecutor should be jailed and banned from even practicing law, much less be in office.

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Response to northoftheborder (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:23 PM

56. Exactly!

I hope her career gets flushed down the toilet.

I'm sure she has an excuse ready to go on why she acted.....or didn't act.....the way she did. Can't wait for her heartfelt apologies to the victims she ignored and discouraged from filing charges.

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Response to northoftheborder (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:41 AM

177. +1

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:57 PM

42. This is so disgusting but what's really sad is they will get away with this. Ohio is GOP

Controlled and the ag is a repuke so nothing will come of this. The GOP will blame this girl for being a slut. There is no decency anymore in GOP land. Violence against women is ok because she asked for it in their opinion. Even the so called Christian right turns a blind eye to this horrendous stuff. It would be great if this went viral but it will go nowhere in Ohio because there are so many connected GOP people involved.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:11 PM

47. too bad she couldnt put the aspirin between her knees being unconscious and all

but at least her body shut down so she cant get preg.

huge ass

sarcasm

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:06 PM

46. Let me get this straight: We at DU as SO TOTALLY against ....

... denial of due process for prisoners at Gitmo, or unlawful wiretaps, and every violation of our rights that the government executes. Hell, yes! We are totally against this!

But due process is for rape suspects is irrelevant? Two 16-year-old kids are being subject to this?

Yeah, rape is horrible and one of the worst of all crimes. Again, (so that the usual suspects do not accuse me of condoning rape) RAPE IS WRONG, AND ALL RAPISTS ARE CRIMINALS.

But, this lynch mob mentality is bullshit and completely hypocritical. We are no better than the knuckledraggers who automatically assume that every "camel jockey" is a terrorist when we pull this shit.

GROW UP, DU!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:13 PM

49. there was not due process. those with the power did not implement it. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:14 PM

50. And nothing is happening now, right?

Target the impeders for now. If and when those kids are convicted, we can talk about them.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:16 PM

52. if the crime had not been outed ALL but one player would be off and no one targeted

or convicted or anything else.

fuck that staying quiet. what a horribly counter productive measure combatting the drugging of, dragging a girl to three parties to be raped by a number of boys only to blame her and say HER reputation is ruined.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:26 PM

60. I never asked you to be quiet, but if you're going to be loud, at least be consistent.

These kids have been convicted of nothing.

The right wingnuts are absolutely convinced that all Gitmo detainees are guilty and do not deserve a trial. Any progressive with a conscience knows better: they all deserve a fair trial. Not so in this case?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

66. they were convicted of muthin cause the powers that be made it so, not cause it was right. not a

tough one.

and that is being consistent.

if the powers that be wont do their job then the peoples voices MUST be heard.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:52 PM

83. the trial for Mays and Richmond is in Feb...

...so this is still in progress. If not for a few people however, it would have remained a local issue, entirely under the control of the local DA and police, who by all appearances are part of the problem.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:00 PM

179. That's an extreme false equivalency.

For one thing, these guys have a preponderance of evidence which *they produced themselves* linking them to the crime. If that were the case for all Gitmo detainees they would have already been tried. And let's not even get into the difference in protective support networks and resources between a white male football player with well connected parents (as most of the perps are), and a likely impoverished, quite possibly illiterate detainee in an unfamiliar land with no access to legal representation.

I am not calling for extra-legal measures to punish these animals. I said upthread that, while I might have my own fantasies about vigilante justice, I would not act on them; and I hope who ever does end up in charge of their punishment is more levelheaded than me. But I have no problem exposing them; they already exposed themselves.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:52 PM

108. Don't discuss a crime until and if someone is convicted? Seriously?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:10 PM

113. Discuss? Have you read this thread?

We have posters calling for these kids to be castrated.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #113)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:20 PM

116. Yes, castrate them with 1s and 0s since that is the tools we are working with here (sarcasm)

So? Do you really think having posts saying that on the internet is really going to matter much? Do you really think an anonymous poster on DU has the power to get that done because they post they would like it to happen?

If you think it goes against Community Standards, alert on it. Otherwise, see post #87.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #116)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:26 PM

118. Such bullshit!

Do you feel that there is no responsibility associated with comments made? That you can use your mouth as a sewer and not be called to task?

It does not matter if we are not the jury or the judge. To blurt out ignorance and hate is no different than the ridiculous behavior we condemn at the Free Republic and other intellectual garbage dumps.

Yes, you have the right to say the most vile, uninformed things that pop into your head, but do not expect that everyone will join the chorus and applaud your disgusting behavior.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #118)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:40 PM

119. Uh, I don't agree with all the DU comments on this topic but you do realize the perps have confessed

er BRAGGED, about their acts right?

Its on camera. In their own words.

Some of them are even legal adults.

These guys have put their actions out into the public for public commentary and judgement THEMSELVES (before it was scrubbed but not before getting captured by Anon and others).

Why are you getting your knickers in a knot FOR them when they have/had no shame themselves about it?





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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:54 PM

125. They refer to *themselves* as "The Rape Crew"...

not sure why anyone would twist themselves into knots of tearful rage in defense of these subhumans.

From a link above:

The focus of this investigation has centered upon a very small group of miscreants who are known by their peers and fellow students as “The Rape Crew”.

Now, the very fact that this core group of criminals within the student body are known by this moniker should set off alarm bells for everyone. This entire investigation has centered around a single rape victim and assault that came to light this summer. But you don’t get a name like “Rape Crew” from a single incident of gang rape committed upon a lone victim. One thing is certain, there ARE more victims out there. One of the chief aims in exposing and bringing to justice the participants and beneficiaries of this conspiracy is to embolden, encourage – and empower these other victims to come forward and seek justice.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #118)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:04 PM

129. What "disgusting behavior" did I do? Point it out. Disagreeing with you is disgusting, my words a

sewer? WHERE?

The perps have bragged of their acts and call themselves the "rape crew" and what I am questioning is your assertion we should not even TALK about them yet and you DARE call me a sewer mouth and my word disgusting?

"If and when those kids are convicted, we can talk about them." Bull. We can certainly talk about them and your attempt to shut down conversation is incredible and THAT is what I am disagreeing with.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:18 AM

168. I think the "you" was being generic -- not necessarily directed at you personally

And I understand his/her point. If Bill O'Reilly suggested that a mob should go out castrate somebody, we'd be in high dudgeon over it. I don't know (and neither does the generic "you") what the kids in this video are guilty of, other than being obnoxious assholes. I was a teenaged boy once, and I can tell you that being an obnoxious asshole pretty much comes with the territory.

Their statements one the video certainly deserve condemnation, but frankly it doesn't sound like anybody in Steubenville, OH is going to do that -- so flame away at them here. But that being said, demands for physical violence are a little over-the-top.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #168)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:43 AM

169. he stated he raped her in the ass... that is beyond being "obnoxious assholes". but, beyond that,

this "teenaged boy once, and I can tell you that being an obnoxious asshole pretty much comes with the territory. " does not get off with boys will be boys. if you got away with talking about girls, women in this manner, a good giggle of raping unconscious girls, then you are not ALL teenage boys. i get called on saying ALL men, ALL the time, when i am not saying it. yet when we want to excuse a behavior we say this is just how teenage boys are.

i have teenage boys. not all teenage boys talk about girls in this manner. not the teenage boys that have been taught about the societal conditionings of privilege. not the boys that have been raised to know this is not acceptable. not the boys that have a conscious. there are boys in that very tape thinking it is crap and challenging the kid. THEY are not part of your teenage boy obnoxious. and beyond the fact the kid said he raped the girl in the video, this kind of talk is NOT ok within the circle of buddies, that validate this behavior to each other, and leads to fuckin gang rape cause their peers are just being obnoxious assholes.

this is unacceptable.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #169)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:56 AM

170. I don't disagree with you...

Even if these guys weren't participants in the crime, they deserve public reprobation for their behavior. But can we stop with that? No castration?

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #170)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:03 AM

171. i have not called for castration. though i have discussed ruin and getting a gun and

shooting to kill.

i KNOW that is horrible. i have never gone to this. but, between a FB gang rape i saw that i cannot get out of my head, the india rape and subsequent example of gang rape in that country and the answer is girls can not wear skirts or talk on cell phones to address these gang rapists, the fatwa from saudia arabia to gang rape women which appears to be false, and then this, all in a very small period.... shoot to kill.

maybe in time, in a little bit, when it settles, and the adults that tried to make all this go away are penalized, i will become my more pacifist, rational self.

maybe men who cannot understand how horribly these stories can effect us women, that experience this in life, can be a little more forgiving and chalk it up to the anger of a girl, drugged, stripped, dragged to three parties to be fucked and molested by a number of boys... and give us a bit of a break. instead of demanding we give this break to the rapists.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #168)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:00 PM

190. Generic "you" works. However, " I don't know (and neither does the generic "you") what the kids in..

" I don't know (and neither does the generic "you") what the kids in this video are guilty of, other than being obnoxious assholes". Public outcry seems to now have made this case move forward a bit. And that I am glad of because too often do things get "wink wink nudge nudge" dropped even when perp confesses and there were witnesses.

I do not engage in calls for physical violence. I have not engaged in that. I understand those that do, but I do not and will not.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:20 PM

181. Two wholly different concepts which exclude the other...

Two wholly different concepts, the second of which, denies the first... all over the map on this one.

"Yes, you have the right to say the most vile, uninformed things..."

"If and when those kids are convicted, we can talk about them."

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:27 PM

182. Your outrage would be amusing if it weren't so instructive

The Rape Crew call themselves this name.

The Rape Crew made videos, took screen shots and tweeted about their GANG rape of a 15-year old.

The Rape Crew bragged and joked and seemed quite proud of their actions.

Now you want to say we don't know enough? We aren't "sure?"

This is why women know first hand that some men and women will never help them, no matter how many hours they've spent being dragged around like a prize and raped and sodomized repeatedly. With clear, convincing evidence provided by the criminals themselves, even then you want to play this "poor little innocents" card.

Fuck that.

All I can say is that I hope people like you do NOT have daughters.

I suspect if this had happened to your daughter, you might be a bit faster to condemn the actions, after you saw the results in her bruises, her PTSD, her ripped up body. I suspect you would have no doubts of guilt.

But then again, maybe not. Many times, a rape victim's own parents are in denial.

Denying this horrific event happenned - denying the scope of its horror - is beneath any human with eyes, ears and brain. Telling others to "shut up before all the facts are in" is just sick.

Clue: THE FACTS ARE IN. We just need a few more facts to convict all of them.




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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #182)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:31 PM

183. THIS... is such a fuckin kick ass post. and right on. fuckin right on. nt

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #182)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:41 PM

186. "All I can say is that I hope people like you do NOT have daughters."

I hope that people like that don't have SONS.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #186)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:58 PM

189. OMG yes!

Can't you hear THAT lecture? I imagine something like this:

"Now Son, if you abduct a young woman and you and your friends repeatedly rape and sodomize her, and then you send pictures of the rape to your friends, and tweet about it while it happens, and make videos BRAGGING about it, don't worry. The coaches, the town prosecuter and the sheriff will protect you! You little innocent dear, you!"

"And you will be condidered as pure as a lamb - even with your own public displays of your crimes - until you possibly, maybe, hopefully NEVER make it in front of a judge. And everyone will call HER a slut, but you will still be protected. Yes, even if you post pictures on your FaceBook page of you GANGRAPING a 15-year old!!!! Nobody believes stupid girls and wymmins anyway."

"So rape on, Son! Get it while you can and enjoy yourself. Ain't this a GREAT Kuntry?"


How the hell else do young men think this is acceptable? Men and women in their society MADE it acceptable. I can pick which ones, methinks......




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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #189)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:38 PM

194. Some posters on this thread is getting very similar to the neighbors of the 11-year old

who was gang raped by 18 men, what was it, two years ago? "These guys will have to live with this for the rest of their lives" and "They found themselves in this horrible situation" and "She dressed like a 20-year old" and "Where were her parents when she was being held prisoner and raped by 18 men."

The perpetrators are "innocent until proven guilty" even tho' they filmed themselves having sex with a girl who clearly was incapable of giving consent because she was "dead like Caylee Anthony," as one of the slime buckets said. A trial, yes, but when these maggots, who were seniors, get to go thru juvie court, even tho non-jock, non-protected-by-football-culture kids as young as 11 are tried as adults, you know the trial cannot be fair, and cannot give proper justice. That's when thoughts of public calling outs and shaming are warranted, I think.

Thank you for taking up the fight, Tsiyu (and everyone else on these threads that see the guilt is clearly with those that did the crimes and those that hid the crimes, not the victims.)

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #194)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:57 PM

195. They fancy themselves somehow removed from us mere humans



Able to objectively see the innocence in all rapists until a court of law adjudicates their cases. What is the motive in their attempt to censor or control speech about this "televised" gang rape and the one of which you just wrote? I have no idea, but they are willfully protecting people who BRAGGED about their crimes in public.

I can guarantee that if the "objective ones" were filmed being raped, and the video was made public, they would have no problem with any of us condemning their rapist. And I suspect most of the apologists are male as well, feeling they are also removed from this possibility.

If a person truly wants to be "objective," they would note the way this case was not at all taken seriously and was actually discouraged by a prosecuter whose home also happened to be one sight where the gang rape took place.

The "holier than thou" ones don't appear to understand the reality of rape in this nation, and appear willing to sacrifice the young women rather easily, as they harp on us for reacting to PUBLIC displays from the rapists themselves. That they have more disgust for our words than for the actions of the rapists speaks volumes.

We have a right and a duty to respond to criminal actions publicly broadcast by their perpetrators. They chose to make their sick perversions and assaults with a penis part of the public domain.

We as the public have a responsibilty to let them know they are less than animals and that we will no longer tolerate such beasts among us.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #113)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:17 PM

180. And you think for some reason this visceral desire will be carried out...?

"We have posters calling for these kids to be castrated."

And you think for some reason this visceral desire will be carried out at the end of day based on posts on DU...? Or is merely expressing this visceral desire the offensive part?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:16 PM

51. I'm guessing you haven't seen the video of their confessions? Or emails, tweets and pics

of their actions huh?

Its pretty awful. Normally I'd agree with you, and in fact I've been silent all day watching this story go down, but the kids have incriminated themselves. On camera.

The girl and her family tried to get justice and the prosecuting attorney bullied them into dropping the case (because her son was one of the rapists and her house was the scene of one of the rapes).

The coverup of crimes, and links amongst the police, the football team coaches, the prosecuting attorney and the perps is undeniable.

Sorry Buzz Click but its pretty damning.




Editing to change "confessions" to "bragging".

Yup, these guys are BRAGGING about doing this.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:17 PM

53. i think you need to read up on the story

this so-called rape crew is being protected from due process by some powerful people in that town. the person i am focused on is the victim, who deserves some justice.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:29 PM

61. Oh please.

None of us here are in any position to do anything to these savages. That's right - no DUer is at this moment rounding up the lynch mob and heading out to Steubenville to exact frontier justice. We are, however, allowed to discuss them in any way we see fit. So come down off your high horse and grow your own self up.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:35 PM

62. Rationalize your behavior any way you choose.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:44 PM

64. lol

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:23 PM

74. I thought he did a pretty good job of it.

While you appear not only to be uninformed about much of the case, you also are condescending towards those who disagree with you.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:39 PM

185. Confusing "behavior" with mere visceral desires is also rationalizing...

Confusing "behavior" with mere visceral desires is also rationalizing...

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:58 PM

68. not true. the one on the video laughing, who participated in the rapes from his own voice, and got

off scott free and has a scholarship at a college he is enjoying right now, ..... is being outed.

one of the posters on du got a graduate degree from the same university. has been donating money. sent an email. and had a response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014354403#post186

our voice does matter. some more than others

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:01 PM

70. And he's a legal adult - 18 years old. Some of Buzz Clik's faux outrage is misdirected. nt

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:10 PM

72. yes. he. is. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:59 PM

109. Girls at the University he is attending need to be made aware of this sociopath. Lynch mob or public

service announcement you be the judge. I go with public service announcement. They do not deserve privacy and I am
glad these animals are exposed. They have to deal with public ridicule and no true justice. They lived in the right town
with the right parents and played the right sports.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #109)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:03 PM

111. FB: red rover, red rover your "rape crew" is over.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:40 PM

63. Actually

Anonymous was angry at what they considered a cover up, found and released the video. The accused were more or less going to walk, electronic data had disappeared or been deleted,--although there were interviews with witnesses.
If not for Anonymous, this would be a very different story. The accused have their defense in place, but some of it was refuted by the video.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:26 PM

75. The video was "lost" by police and found by Anonymous. n/t

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Response to Tempest (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:40 PM

106. nope, there is video out there of the actual rape too. the prosecutor was protecting the boys.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #106)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:08 PM

112. The prosecutor's son was one of those involved

She's going down with her son.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:22 PM

140. one of the parties thrown was at the prosecutor's house, another at a coach's place.

supposedly there are worse videos out there but everyone claims to have deleted them. It doesn't appear that the local police was investigating too hard. This video, they said they were aware of.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:00 PM

69. dude

Look at that video with the boy in the other room making jokes about it "we raped her harder than the duke lacross team" "she's deader than obi won kenobi after darth vader cut his head off" then look at the tweets "some people deserve to get pissed on" "you don't sleep through a wang up your ass"

I think due process is what people want here and are worried isn't happening because of the prosecuter the coach et al.

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Response to d_r (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:05 PM

71. that fourth name up there

Charlie Keenan, his mom is the prosecuter Jane Hanlin-


When the family of the victim went to file the charges, Jane Hanlin was present. She strongly discouraged them from filing. Hanlin frightened not only the victim, but the parents as well. Telling them that her name was going to be dragged through the mud, she will be in and out of court for well over two years, the press wouldn’t leave any of the family alone once the crime was made public. Scared out of their wits, the parents said they didn’t want that and Hanlin then said not to worry just leave it up to her and the detectives on the case.

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Response to d_r (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:27 PM

76. She needs to be fired and disbarred

And sued in civil court.

Her actions were despicable.

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Response to d_r (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:44 PM

80. do you think the motehr of one of the boys shared with the parents that she was said mom and

started at her house? i am thinking she didnt share that piece of info.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:52 PM

84. oh I'm doubting it

I get the picture of big fish in a small town, school board superintendent, football team booster. The whole going to wvu to testify thing says a lot to me.

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Response to d_r (Reply #84)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:56 PM

86. and that football booster that has the camera in the bathroom getting porn shot of girls... fry his

ass

i suppose it is the girls fault for being sl*ts using the damn bathroom

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:09 PM

90. no kidding

Was it a home or a school bathroom? Did he get it from a kid? I downloaded the zip file of his email this morning but haven,t had the stomach to open it and I don't think I will ever have, I don't want to see his other pics

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Response to d_r (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:17 PM

92. it looked more like a school bathroom from the little piece i saw. ya, or business

cause it had a hand blower thing.

and the other stuff you are talking, i dont know. but it is exploitation for others to be seeing girls in their unaware. i hope there is nothing in those files whatever you did... zip?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #92)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:36 PM

97. no no no

Anonymous downlowded creepy guy's email and posted it in a zip file. I downloaded it but as much as i'd like to play internet detective I don't think I have the stomach for it.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:52 PM

107. Are you saying no crime should be talked about on a forum until the trial is over? Seriously?

"We are no better than the knuckledraggers who automatically assume that every "camel jockey" is a terrorist " ? What? I read it as those involved should be prosecuted and should be ashamed of themselves.

Is discussing a crime on a forum taking away "due process"? Is discussing the fact a crime was overlooked taking away "due process"?


What the hell?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:59 PM

127. Half of DU was just fine with Osama bin Laden being extra-judicially

 

executed, so I think your pleas are going to fall on deaf ears.

Due process of law, like the Geneva Conventions, is so 20th Century, so quaint and obsolete.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #127)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:07 PM

130. they call themselves the "rape crew". they bragged about it on tape. laughed about it on tape

and you have an issue with duers being outraged that this 16 yr old was unconscious taken from party to party to be raped by various boys?

amazing.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #130)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:10 PM

131. No, I have an issue with punishing anyone before they have a trial before a jury

 

of their peers.

Some on this thread are going so far as to advocate castration, presumably after a trial but you never know.

Stop creating a straw man. You'll see upthread that I called this a 'criminal conspiracy' (with all that entails for the conspirators). But even the worst person in the world is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #131)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:15 PM

134. No jury in a juvenile trial in OH.

Judge Lipps will be the sole arbiter of justice.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:21 PM

138. This sub-thread began b/c BuzzClik made a plea for due process of law, one

 

I seconded, only to be reamed out by SeaBeyond on what I consider rather spurious grounds.

The principle of "due process of law" encompasses junvenile proceedings as well as adult and I doubt that anyone here advocates punishing someone accused before a trial and guilty verdict. Of course, after having read this thread, I may have to re-think that. Not totally surprised, though, after all the congratulatory blood lust when OBL was extra-judicially executed, a DU moment that shall live in infamy.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:23 PM

141. There's this thing called venting.

People do that when there are serious miscarriages of justice (such as police departments and school staff aiding in cover ups).

Other people get all huffy in defense of subhuman rapists and their sick subhuman toadies.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:34 PM

144. Oy, is it defense of 'subhuman rapists and their sick subhuman toadies' to insist

 

on a trial and guilty verdict before punishment?

If so, then BuzzClik's original remark seems all the more telling.

An old-time DUers named EFerrari said it best re the rationale for due process (paraphrasing): "We treat evil men decently not because of who they are. We treat evil men decently because of who we are."

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:37 PM

145. How are comments in a thread "punishment"?

A fair trial comes from the jury system, not DUers, FFS.

Nice to know where sympathies lie, though.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:42 PM

147. The guy in the vid is 18 yrs old, and NOT TRIED FOR ANYTHING! He admits his culpability!

I'm sorry but exactly WHAT are we supposed to be censoring ourselves over this for?

Micheal Nodianos ADMITS he participated on the vid! He's 18. He has escaped justice because the county prosecutor BULLIED the girl and her family into NOT pressing charges.

He is free and clear.

This isn't some kind of witchhunt. The guy brags that the girl is "dead" amongst other despicable actions like urinating on her and anally sodomizing her.

Exactly how are we supposed to be ashamed that he is being subjected to some anonymous internet commentary condemning his heinous and despicable behavior?

Really, your defense of this is grotesque.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:48 PM

150. we listened to a man laugh about raping a girl. an unconscious girl. he made the statement he raped

an unconscious, non moving "dead" girl.

and you are lecturing us because we call that vile....

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #150)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:02 AM

203. Now, now, now

We must not speak ill of these precious little angelic boys until a compromised judicial system makes official acknowledgement of their confessions. That would be horribly unfair to these fine upstanding young men!

To be sincere, I'm frankly shocked and disappointed that these little boys still have the ability to walk.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #144)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 05:40 AM

200. One of the problems with this is that there won't be a fair trial.

These guys are being tried in juvenile court, and I, for one, don't think that's fair. I'm betting those two are the ones connected to this that were under 18 when it happened, and therefore the only ones who can be tried in juvie court, while the others, (the revolting one in the youtube clip is a freshman in college) were over 18 and therefore risked a proper trial. The higher-ups in Steubenville are trying to make this go over, but they recognized that there had to be some reaction, so they went with a scapegoat/fall-guy/minimum effort approach. I'll also bet that there's a very good chance the two on trial would have been getting a much lighter sentence if Anonymous hadn't put a spotlight on this case. Of course, just trying them in juvie court instead of as adults is in itself a lightening of their sentence - how many times haven't we heard of poor kids being tried as adults as young as 11?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:29 PM

143. Uhm, no Buzz Clik scolded DU for publicly commenting on publicly aired vids by these creeps

celebrating their rapes.

Some of these guys ARE adults.

Their exploits were/are widely available for viewing on Facebook and other social media sites. These guys acted with impunity for a very long time, bragged about it actually.

This wasn't a plea for due process - it was an attempt to shut down discussion about a public raping of underage minor girls that these guys are actually so proud of they posted vids/pics/tweets of it, for months.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #143)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:39 PM

146. Well, you and I obviously read the same post by Buzz Clik but interepreted

 

its meaning quite differently. I thought and think Buzz Clik was summoning us to be better than the 'knuckledraggers' at FreeRepublic who consider every came jockey a terrorist (paraphrasing BC) and to demand that due process of the law take place before passing judgment.

Like I say, presumption of innocence is so quaint and obsolete.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #146)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:44 PM

148. The guy in that vid is NOT on trial! WTF? Really?



Uh, he admits his despicable actions himself. Noone has to presume he's "innocent until proven guilty." He lays it all out for us himself. Edited to add that I'm not sure you understand that THIS particular video features one of the perps who is NOT on trial. He got off scot free.

We are free to judge him all on our own. He's not facing charges.

We just get to watch him condemn himself. Did you watch the video??



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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:47 PM

188. There is no presumption to be had here

We don't have to presume anything, except that there has been no justice in this case from the time these cretins abducted these girls. And there are more than one.

People have been raped since there have been people. Most rapists act it in secret, and depend on that secrecy to continue raping.

These Rape Crew members did their animal acts IN PUBLIC - for PUBLIC VIEW.

Can you not see that we have gone so low in our social treatment of women, that now young men feel free to brag and post pictures of their gang rapes?

Why is that? Apparently, they know that people like you - even with evidence provided by the rapists themselves - will still choose to protect the rapist.

These kids knew that. They were treated like little sheiks, like special snowflakes even when they behaved like the worst beasts.

So many of us are sick that Anon had to force their hand. Now you want to say we should all just "Wait." Waiting sure did a lot to help that girl before anonymous, eh?

If you choose to post damning pictures of yourself, it is my RIGHT to condemn you as loudly and stridently as I can. If you choose to brag about raping others in tweets, videos, pictures, it is my RIGHT AND DUTY to condemn you loudly and often.

You want to close your eyes and not see this War against Women and Girls first hand? That is your right.

I will continue to say these are all beasts, from the Sheriff to the Mommies to the Coaches to the Rape Crew themselves.

I will condemn them here - they should all be removed from society, and castration doesn't seem like a bad idea considering they have HURT others with their bodies. They should not have the ability to do so ever again.



The Rape Crew is happy you can't see any of their handiwork, c-a. Those of us who DO see it want them punished as severely as the law will allow.


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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:06 PM

192. He also said we shouldn't talk about it until there was a trial and a verdict. And no, we aren't

posting bigoted statements, blaming EVERYONE in a group for the actions of some "every came jockey a terrorist" but are rightly upset about the actions of those involved.

As far as "presumption of innocence"? That is a legal term which is necessary during a trial. When someone confesses they did a horrible thing, have photos and witnesses, then in the larger non-judicial world, there is no "presumption of innocence". You are confusing the legal term used during a trial with reality.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #138)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:46 PM

187. Who precisely is denying the suspects due process, and how precisely is that being done?

Who precisely is denying the suspects due process, and how precisely is that being done?

Or are you confusing "due process" and "visceral desire"?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:14 PM

132. you seem woefully ill informed on this subject. they incriminated themselves in the video..

and several tweets.

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Response to frylock (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:17 PM

135. If I'm not mistaken, no one in the video is charged with rape.

The subhumans most prominently featured in the video were simply having a grand old time laughing about the young woman being raped in front of them, and making sickening comments about her, as their more evolved teammates reacted with shock and horror.

The only kind of justice the rape-culture-supporting subhumans in that video will get is the social kind, and they are most certainly getting it.

Hopefully this case will open some eyes, and the people who stick their fingers in their ears and claim that rape culture does not exist will STFU and learn.

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Response to frylock (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:17 PM

136. That is not the point.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #136)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:25 PM

142. What do you mean "not the point"? The perps themselves put themselves out on public display

They posted videos of the rapes.

They tweeted about it. Posted pics. Bragged about it.

And we're somehow supposed to feel shame or guilt if we comment on this??



Really. Why are you defending these creeps?? Its sickening.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:14 AM

163. They call themselves The Rape Crew and bragged online about what they did.

That much has already been established as fact.

To me, knowing that the people of DU have a strong negative reaction toward rape gives me the opposite thoughts than what you seem to have. I'm personally glad to see people speaking out against gang rape.

But, of course, it would not be the whole picture, the entirety of DU, if not for those few voices raging about how horrible DUers are for talking about the people who raped a girl, usually referred to as rapists.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:21 PM

196. Have you read the page?

The police chief and district attorney (?) are in on it. Due process is already out the window.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:12 PM

48. This is horrifying. The cover-up is even worse.

All of them need public shame and jail time.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:20 PM

54. County Prosecutor Should Be Fired Also

The female lead prosecutor, coincidentally has a son who is on the football team.

She apparently tried to dissuade the victim in this case from pressing charges. Saying that the victim's reputation would be destroyed if she pursued this further.

Also there are reports that there is another woman who was a victim, who when she also approached this prosecutor, was told the exact same thing. No charges were filed in that case either.

Another Penn State, no question about it. Clear as day.

Football is a religion after all. They're just some athletes having fun, no need for concern. They'll surely grow up to be fine upstanding adults.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:22 PM

55. Kicking for the victims of these brutes



Shine the light on the cockroaches and let's see them scurry into prison where they ALL belong, coaches and local officials included.

These are the lowest of the lowest human life forms.









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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:23 PM

57. They are also conspirators and kidnappers

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:25 PM

58. Why are these men not in custody and charged for many crimes?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:26 PM

59. That Thing You Do!

The only time I've ever heard the name of this town. And it was not a very flattering reference.

Phil: I'm talking about Rock 'N' Roll shows in Steubenville, Youngstown, Pittsburgh, places like that.

The Bass Player: Pittsburgh?

Lenny: Steubenville?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:51 PM

65. How do you start a trend of people videotaping these guys anytime they are seen in public?

Then posting it all on one channel on Youtube. Gang-stalk the gang-rapists, I think it isn't enough, but it is something.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:56 PM

67. how on earth did they ever get the idea

this was 'ok'? So ok that it was posted on social media? It's like. 'oh we called and ordered a pizza to soandso's house. Aren't we impish?"
To participate in something like this is reprehensible.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:58 PM

87. it is being done all over the net. it is the new norm. nt

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:41 PM

78. I am thanking anonymous

anonymous is giving more justice to the victim than that town or the justice system ever will

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:47 PM

81. It's simply unbelievable how this could go on in the 21st Century!

 

Anyway, good on Anonymous for exposing these sick bastards to the public. Let's hope justice is served very soon

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:49 PM

82. Why aren't all these guys in jail? nt

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #82)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:10 PM

91. The authorities helped cover it up

The people who are supposed to bring justice, they are in collusion with the perpetrators. It seems that football is worshiped or something.

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Response to siligut (Reply #91)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:15 PM

133. Ugh. Reading more has made me feel sick.

Hope there is justice soon. Don't really feel ok knowing these rapists are free to find more victims. And that there are adults who would cover this up!

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #133)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:12 AM

172. Well it is out in the MSM now

This morning I saw a picture of Michael Colin Nodianos on Mr. gut's laptop, he usually lays low when it comes to controversial things like this. But because it was on the front page of his news source, he was reading about it. The MSM article wasn't complete in all of the sordid details, but it was enough.

Bringing an injustice into the light, for all to see, gives hope that justice will prevail. This sort of cruel, trou du cul behavior combined with the collusion of authorities makes me feel sick too.

Anonymous is really shining bright now.

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Response to siligut (Reply #172)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:26 AM

173. mr beyond does the same. i love the way you do that, lol.

but... this one, i know he doesnt want to hear, and fuck it... he heard. as i bring him the updates. if i have to know this outrage, he gets to also. his son is going off to college too. at least he has the basics, and ya, like yours, he will be reading that. and have a clue how it is progressing.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:08 AM

175. Yes, I filled mine in on the details too

Like how the prosecutor/adviser Attorney Jane Hanlin who has a son involved in the case ". . . strongly discouraged them from filing. Hanlin frightened not only the victim, but the parents as well. Telling them that her name was going to be dragged through the mud, she will be in and out of court for well over two years, the press wouldn’t leave any of the family alone once the crime was made public. Scared out of their wits, the parents said they didn’t want that and Hanlin then said not to worry just leave it up to her and the detectives on the case."

The MSM apparently left this out.

That is the aspect of this case that really digs, leaving it up to people who have no intention of actually helping and will do further harm if needed. I wonder how much Hanlin was paid for this poison? Or did she volunteer as a "concerned friend"?

Anonymous really came to the rescue.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:03 PM

88. kick.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:09 PM

89. this is one of the most horrific things I've ever read

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:22 PM

93. yup. The picture of them carrying her about like she's a dead pig... omg

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:27 PM

94. the female prosecutor should be charged with obstruction of justice

I guess she advised everyone to erase all their phones through her son. Also an accessory to this by having a party in her home where liquor was. Not a great parent eh?

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #94)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:31 PM

96. The prosecutor who bullied the parents to drop the case HOSTED one of the rape parties at her house



I'm guessing she neglected to tell the victims' parents that. Her son is also implicated in other photos, emails and tweets as having been one of the "Rape Crew".

This has been a massive cover-up. I hope this girl (and there are reports that there are other girls who have been victims as well of this "Rape Crew") gets justice.



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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:31 PM

95. These turds

need to be ostracized for life.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:51 PM

98. WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:Make all involved in the rape of the Steubenville scandal...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-all-involved-rape-steubenville-scandal-be-pushed-out-juvenile-court-so-there-can-be-real/MJ4rrCXM

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Make all involved in the rape of the Steubenville scandal be pushed out of Juvenile court so there can be real justice.
there needs to be justice for the victims in the Steubenville, Ohio rape scandal. i'm requesting that this case be pushed up to the higher courts so that there is some real justice, also to allow for a jury trial for all involved. This is a serious offense and this needs to be an example for everyone that this type of behavior should not, and will not be Tolerated in our society. i don't believe that the police or news in the area of the alleged crimes that are covering the story are truly trying to prosecute the accused, but rather cover up a scandal that has dramatically effected the lives of many individuals.


http://www.facebook.com/pages/OSU-expel-Michael-Nodianos-Rape-Crew-member/538243282853465

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:07 PM

99. Since kidnapping was involved...

Shouldn't the FBI be called in? Or is that just if the victim is moved across state lines?

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:12 PM

100. not to mention filming/photographing sexual assault of a minor....

That's child pornography, and several of the boys who have provided testimony are apparently at risk, Mark Cole especially.

on edit: If I'm not mistaken, the kidnapping charge has been dropped.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #100)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:37 PM

105. all those things from both of you guys... let the state attorney fry their asses. check out the

thread on the 14 yr old that has come forward.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:14 PM

101. Castrate them and then lock them up for life.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:12 PM

114. Where is the ex West Memphis Three film crew?

Or any other independent film crew. Get into this town and start talking to these kids. Make a damn difference.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:21 PM

117. Thank you, Anonymous. nt

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:58 PM

126. The case will be dismissed because "they are good boys."

You know it's gonna happen but I still applaud anonymous.

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Response to budkin (Reply #126)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:00 PM

128. no it wont. they have film and picture. it is national news. cant be swept

under the rug. too many high ups exposed for criminal activity in suppressing.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #128)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:43 AM

160. Same state as Sandusky, and hopefully about to get...

 

...the same treatment.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:20 PM

137. That is so disturbing and heartbreaking. Sociopaths. I clung to the few words I heard

in the long video where some guy talks about, and gets the main guy to admit, that the main guy and others have raped the girl, and what if it were his daughter. At least one person (and maybe a 2nd one) were somewhat normal. BUT they didn't DO anything to help the girl, except maybe by their presence stop it from occurring again. If that happened, which we don't know.

But for the idiot doing the taping, and the "star" of the video, it's very disturbing. How can anyone treat another human being that way? I would never have wished that on even enemies of mine in the past, even boyfriends who had wronged me. It's inhuman. It's CRIMINAL.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #137)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:22 PM

139. They may not have been around the rapes as they were occurring...

it seems they are hearing about these crimes after the fact, from at least one subhuman who was there and saw the crimes and not only did nothing, but went on to laugh and joke about it.

The young men who were outraged are named on that one site to which the link was deleted once already. They may well be among the few who have cooperated with the police.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:51 PM

151. Goddamn, everything about this is INFURIATING...

From the assholes (charitable term) who committed the act, to the assholes who stood by and watched, to the assholes who are now protecting the people who did this....

Fuck....

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:27 AM

154. How about the guy filming?

Who apparently thought Nodianos was just hilarious? He should be exposed, as well. That was so sickening...

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:33 AM

155. Anyone remember the movie "Heathers"?

It was set in Ohio. There was a quote after Christian Slater offed the the two jocko dickheads Ram & Kurt. CS: "Veronica football season is over, the only thing Kurt and Ram had to offer was date rapes and AIDS jokes."

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:46 AM

156. interesting tweet suggesting the kid at ohio university has been suspended.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #156)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:29 AM

159. The Ohio State University's facebook page

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #156)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:16 PM

193. I hope this is true



Can you imagine having a daughter at that school, where that disgusting pervert is also attending? I would be raising hell with that school.

I've had enough in life of shaming women - as the 15-year-old victim was shamed EVEN BY ADULTS. It's time to shame the hell out of the rapists and rape enablers. Make them pay for their sick vision of society where they can hurt others with their bodies - like a penis is a goddamned weapon - with impunity.

It's an ugly fact of life - rape - and those who want to deny its insidious hold on our culture are simpletons or rapists themselves..

Nodianos is one sick, messed-up puppy who needs to be locked up for the good of society. I hope he and his sick family lose it all - along with the rest of the Inglorious Rape Crew.




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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:51 AM

157. Anonymous will do what needs to be done.

 

We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:14 AM

158. Geez!

I was reading this link and it just gets more dramatic with each paragraph. The town is one big coverup over this incident.

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/steubenvillefiles/

Apologies. I noticed I just repeated the link over again from the OP's original message. Tired, I guess.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:00 AM

165. The police chief says people are "simply jealous" of their football team.

"It has left McCafferty, the police chief, fuming and frustrated.

For weeks after the girl’s parents came forward, he again pleaded to the other partygoers to come forward with information about the possible sexual assault. Only one did, he said.

“Everybody on those Web sites kept saying stuff that wasn’t true and saying, why wasn’t this person arrested, why aren’t the police doing anything about it,” he said. “Everybody wanted to incriminate more of the football players, some because some of the other schools in the area are simply jealous of Big Red.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:15 AM

166. K&R

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:44 AM

178. I like the fact that anonymous opened this up

It's a little scary, to be sure, but these people are like Salander's crew in the Millennium Trilogy. Hopefully they will not disrupt the lives of innocents, and keep their hacking to the evil among us.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #178)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:32 PM

184. Actually, the person who opened this up was Alexandra Goddard

on her blog Prinnified. Then there was the NYT Magazine piece of Dec 16 and then Occupy and then Anonymous- not knocking Anonymous here just posting the facts.

http://prinniefied.com/wp/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all

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Response to cali (Reply #184)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:03 AM

204. Alexandra Goddard is one of the heroes here.

Also - from her blog:

Cody Saltsman has asked to make a statement here to express his remorse for the photo and comments that he tweeted. It is also his desire and ours to clarify that we never had any evidence of his direct involvement in the subsequent events of that night. While he may have been present at various parties that evening, there has been no evidence of his involvement in the rape, nor has he been charged with any such crime. We are happy to post his statement; it is below. We appreciate that Cody Continue reading Case Dismissed!



It IS nuts when people have to take the law into their own hands - IOW - publicly shaming / punishing those who should be shamed /punished because the legal system stops working. But that is how it needs to be when a whole town goes along with something, when good people are forced to be silent. When the violent ones are glorified. It happens too often.


Too often people only see violent men as heroes. Who will be watching football this weekend? - identifying with the tough guys? 40 million Americans or so - or so I'm told.

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:13 PM

199. I have a feeling it might get violent tomorrow!

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:07 AM

201. Shouldn't The Rape Crew also be charged with Conspiracy To Commit A Crime ?

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Response to antigone382 (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:36 AM

202. The Feds should already have been involved

It is potentially a Mann Act Violation at the very least. It sounds like the good old boy network could have extended all the way to the state investigation level potentially (accusations of cronyism and nepotism involving the state investigator). The underage girl is from West Virginia and was picked up in West Virginia and taken to Ohio where she, at a minimum, engaged in sex with the strong potential of it being nonconsensual rape or worse.

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