Al Gore, progressive leader one minute, wanting to cash in big time the next...

[graham4anything]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/01/03/al_gore_pushed_for_sale_before_higher_taxes.html

Al Gore Pushed for Sale Before Higher Taxes
Interesting tidbit from the New York Times on the sale of Current TV:

"Mr. Gore and his partners were eager to complete the deal by Dec. 31, lest it be subject to higher tax rates that took effect on Jan. 1... But the deal was not signed until Wednesday."

[Sekhmets Daughter]

1. I voted for Gore,

but without enthusiasm. Perhaps he, more than any other politician, illustrates the hypocrisy of our politicians.

[lunatica]

4. I'm sure you would wait to sell until you could pay higher taxes

Right?

Being such an upstanding American and all.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

15. Silly...

The tax bite is not my concern. Al Jazeera is expected to cancel all of the programing now on Current TV. Not to mention the political hay the right wingers will make of this when 30% of the programming is coming out of the ME per the plan.

[Fawke Em]

17. Some political hay.

Just fight back with the knowledge that the person with the most Fox News shares outside of the Murdoch family is a Saudi prince.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

20. I am not the least bit concened about the 'informed'.

But, when have you ever been able to convince the right wingers of anything they don't choose to believe?

[Erose999]

73. AlJezeera's programming "coming out of the ME" is some damn fine journalism. I used to watch their

broadcasts on either Link TV or Free Speech TV back when I had cable.

[dorkzilla]

101. Hear, Hear!!

Damn fine is damn straight!

[Sekhmets Daughter]

109. I agree...

I'm just thinking of the field day Fox will have with this...and all the wing nuts who will insist the county is being taken over by Muslims. I wish Gore had waited to find another buyer...

[Erose999]

124. If this country made all its decisions in fear of the "field day Fox will have," nothing would ever

get done. Which is exactly whats happening now, lol.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

137. I guess my real problem is that I've never been that crazy about Gore.

[stlsaxman]

146. and I would guess that if you took time to read "The Assault On Reason" you'd become...

"crazy about Gore".



You might also watch his speech to the American Constitution Society from which much of TAOR is based...

it was the single speech that sold me on Gore forever and left me disappointed that he felt Climate Change be a more important part of life than political activities. He has his reasons and i'm glad he's following his heart.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

160. So you recommend

Assault on Reason? I will give it a read, but as I've never been susceptible to hero worship, I doubt I'll match your enthusiasm.

BTW: I'd be willing to bet I read at least as much as do you.

[stlsaxman]

161. I apologize, sincerely. No offence meant.

Only suggesting the reading of a book. My love for the man can be seen as "hero worship", i suppose. If you meant to demean me by calling it that- i don't mind one bit. I'll stand tall and say yes- Al Gore IS a hero of mine. Do whatever you need to to make yourself feel better.

oh- and you're welcome!

[Sekhmets Daughter]

164. LOL...

But why should it be demeaning? There is nothing wrong with your wholehearted embrace of Gore, I was simply commenting on my inability to get that enthusiastic about anyone. I voted for him even though he was as boring as watching paint dry. I didn't agree with him distancing himself from the best campaigner to come along in at least a generation and have often thought he could have carried that one additional state needed to win if he had been more politically astute. Think about how different things would have been had he won. But that is simply my opinion.

And yes, thanks for the recommendation.

Happy New Year.

[FSogol]

2. Unrec. Do you try to make the least on your investments?

Do you try not to get the best price? Do you pass up tax deductions you are eligible for on principal?

There is some hypocrisy here, but it isn't Al Gore.

Why not try bashing some Republicans sometime?

[newblewtoo]

21. I have been known to

pass up deals based on both principle and principal. I look for socially responsible funds when investing, it is a matter of principle with me. Too few people know the difference when it comes to investing their principal. I believe in the principle "from those to whom much is given much is expected". I have had far fewer advantages in life than Al Gore but I know the difference.

Would you have him sell to Glen Fucking Beck if the price was right?? Really.

[FSogol]

24. Did he sell to Beck?

In what way did Gore act irresponsible?

[graham4anything]

49. Who said Gore acted irresponsible.

Please show me where it was said in the OP

I would do the same thing
So would any CEO of any business
The shareholders would rebel if they didn't do it

[FSogol]

55. Response #21 and you. What is the point of your crappy OP if you don't even agree with it?

[graham4anything]

72. You don't put people on pedestals and expect them to be 100% perfect to all

the media keeps putting President Obama down for not being 100% on every single thing
and misses the big picture each time

Then the people that follow this writer or that Rachel or Krugman quote rail on and on

Yet Bernie Sanders voted for the deal and did so enthusiastically
And Dennis voted for the health plan enthusiastically
when a 60th vote is there, they are team players

they are not any different than any of us

You take the people's assets
You minus the bad
then tally it up

because no human being is perfect to anyone's liking

so whining about this or that in the media is ridiculous

and only Al Sharpton gets it right 100% of the time
Rachel and Ed lost me after debate #1. No longer watch either, and won't again.

[FSogol]

81. Pedestals? You are ripping Gore for making a pragmatic business decision.

A decision that ANYONE would make.

And you aren't fooling anyone.

[graham4anything]

86. Same as the Wall Street people cashing in

yet others in the media put them down

Why wouldn't they do the same thing for their shareholders?

Everybody does it.

That is the point.

villifying money when anyone would do it is like stereotypiing anyone

there is good money and bad money but everyone would want more.

Again, no one is ripping anyone at all.

So you agree that there should be zero negative comments on both President Obama and
Hillary Clinton, right?

[LanternWaste]

134. I've noticed that back-handed compliments are...

I've noticed that back-handed compliments are the easiest insults for people to rationalize.

"And you aren't fooling anyone..." Except maybe himself it appears quite often.

[Erose999]

77. Do you think it was "socially irresponsible" for him to sell to Al Jazeera? They're a fine news

organization. Much better reporting than Fucked News, CNN, and MSMBS.

I mean, you won't see Al Jazeera trotting out people like "America's Creepy Racist Uncle" Pat Buchannan, Puke Russert or Sipp E. Cupps.

[graham4anything]

88. Al Sharpton is the best. He works for MSNBC

[brew987]

169. That's you're opinion. I think he's an idiot. But of course that's my opinion.

[graham4anything]

171. Vast majority of people on this site would disagree with your dislike of Al.

[rosesaylavee]

126. Agreed.

Thank you for your post.

[lunatica]

3. What would you do?

In the same circumstances? Wait until you had to pay higher taxes?

[Zorra]

5. Did you vote for Bush by any chance? nt

[graham4anything]

99. Voted for democrats 40yrsplus-Obama08 Obama12 Hillary16 Hillary20 Michelle 24 Michelle28 etc.

[bluestate10]

155. You got an evasive answer. You should have asked whether the poster voted for Nader in 2000.

Any one that did fucked up. And fucked up the country.

[malaise]

6. Al Gore has done more for this planet than you will do for a lifetime

Troll away

[graham4anything]

51. Who said he didn't?

Funny thing is how happy Ralph Nader was to give up the presidential candidate who did more for the environment.

BTW, the only one doing the enviornment longer than Al and spending more on green charity than anyone else for dozens of years before Al took up the cause was Mike Bloomberg.
Did you know he has given billions all to liberal causes?

[GeorgeGist]

57. Reference[s] for Bloomberg claims please. Thanks in advance.

[graham4anything]

80. Charity given in 2011 $311.3 million in one year $279 million in 2010 for starters

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/02/bloomberg-gave-a-ton-of-money-to-charity-in-2011.html

Bloomberg Gave a Ton of Money to Charity in 2011

Mayor Michael Bloomberg gave $311.3 million to charity last year. If that sounds like a lot, it's because it is: Not only was it about $32 million more than he'd given the previous year, but he gave the fifth most of anyone in the country, reports the Post. The amount by which Bloomberg increased his philanthropy nearly lines up with the $30 million he pledged last summer for his pet project, a new city program meant to "improve the circumstances" of young minority men.

Bloomberg's contributions to that program were matched by George Soros, the New York billionaire who just so happens to occupy the spot just above his on the charitable rankings, with $335 million doled out. There was just one living person ahead of the pair on the list, Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen

[graham4anything]

82. $2.4 billion in charty total, all liberal causes

http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=B96D19BD-C29C-7CA2-F72C5EDC3BEDFA6A

Mike Bloomberg has always believed in the power of philanthropy to change people's lives for the better. Mike's parents instilled the principles of public service and giving back in him from a young age, and those same principles have guided him throughout his life. That's why he has committed so much of his time, energy and resources to the causes he believes in through Bloomberg Philanthropies. To date, he has donated more than $2.4 billion to a wide variety of causes and organizations. In 2011, $330 million was distributed by Bloomberg Philanthropies, placing Mike in the top five of The Chronicle of Philanthropy's list of America's top 50 philanthropists.

Environment: Serving as Chair of the C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Mike Bloomberg is working with the world’s largest cities to implement climate mitigation programs that will help reduce their green house gas emissions (GHGs); and an investment in the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Campaign to help eliminate one-third of the nation’s top polluting coal plants by 2020.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/nyregion/new-york-plan-will-aim-to-lift-minority-youth.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all?src=tp&
Bloomberg to Use Own Funds in Plan to Aid Minority Youth

The administration of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, in a blunt acknowledgment that thousands of young black and Latino men are cut off from New York’s civic, educational and economic life, plans to spend nearly $130 million on far-reaching measures to improve their circumstances.


The program, the most ambitious policy push of Mr. Bloomberg’s third term, would overhaul how the government interacts with a population of about 315,000 New Yorkers who are disproportionately undereducated, incarcerated and unemployed.

To pay for the endeavor in a time of fiscal austerity, the city is relying on an unusual source: Mr. Bloomberg himself, who intends to use his personal fortune to cover about a quarter of the cost, city officials said. A $30 million contribution from Mr. Bloomberg’s foundation would be matched by that of a fellow billionaire, George Soros, a hedge fund manager, with the remainder being paid for by the city.

[Gman]

7. PUH--FUCKING--LEEEEEEZZZ

He is making a good business decision. He's doing exactly what he should for himself and his investors who are all good liberals.

You know what? It's still OK to make a profit and minimize taxes.

Grow up.

[Buzz Clik]

30. +1. Faux Outrage January continues.

[Neon2012]

153. Exactly.

This article is bullshit.

[Enrique]

8. i don't remember Gore being a progressive on taxes

my guess is that he is a centrist like Obama.

And the idea that a very wealthy businessman like Al Gore minimizing his taxes is controversial is dumb imho.

[graham4anything]

96. President Obama is on the Placemats of Presidents. You gotta win it to be in it.

are you making a dig at the President?

100% of my posts are pro-President Obama and Hillary45.
They know how to win and will be 8 more years of continuation of President Obama's wishes
(can we dream about Michelle46? That is mine.)

And Al Gore backed President Obama and gladly became the Clinton's VP in 1992.

[spanone]

9. your headline is highly misleading. bullshit.

[FSogol]

12. Par for the course.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

10. So do you skip the Standard Deduction, just so you can pay more?

Confound you, Al Gore! How DARE YOU make a smart business decision!

[trumad]

11. What an unbelievable stupid Op

OK---so you own a business.... you are responsible for investors...

You're telling me that you would make the mistake of losing money by not selling before Dec. 31st?

If you did that, I'd sue your fucking ass for incompetency.

[graham4anything]

45. I wrote a thread just what you said about something almost the same the other day

and the same media argued against that.

Did I ever say anywhere in the OP that I was against doing it?

Funny what people assume.Remember Benny Hill? Or Tony Randall on the ODD couple and what both said about assuming?

[trumad]

128. Bull fucking shit...

Your fucking title is pure misleading crap

[ProSense]

13. You post the most absurd RW bullshit constantly.

I look forward to your next ridiculous post.

[trumad]

14. Fucking crappy ass jury voted 2-4 to leave it alone.

I told them hey, this is misleading as shit.

How about a group host stepping in and shutting this shit down.

[blm]

27. Every post is crafted for division and disruption, and uses backhanded slaps at Dems to do it.

Should have had its fill of pizza long ago.

[Vinnie From Indy]

16. The patented "hit it & quit it" thread

These people are so transparent and cowardly. They rarely if ever are up to the challenge of debating their OP.

[graham4anything]

44. Who hit and quit? I was at the doctor's.

Hurt my back Sunday.
Don't believe in any meds at all for pain, so I endure.

[SunsetDreams]

18. Oh good grief nt

[WeekendWarrior]

19. So the fuck what?

I'd do the exact same thing. So would most people. You'd have to be an idiot to wait to pay MORE taxes. And to suggest that there's something wrong with what Gore did is idiotic.

Move along, there's nothing to see here.

[KG]

22. i sense the evil hand of ralph nader in this..

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

34. And what the fuck is bernie Sanders' problem??!! While we're at it. :-p

[tradecenter]

43. And don't forget the evil hand of the NRA.

His two favorite boogymen, the NRA and Ralph Nader.

[Jamastiene]

23. Damn, I really miss UnRec on OPs like these. nt

[GoCubsGo]

40. Me, too.

Normally, I would hit "Trash this thread" for crap like this OP. But, I am enjoying watching the train wreck that it has become.

[kentuck]

25. Did you not vote for Al Gore?

Who did you vote for?

[BeyondGeography]

26. I always thought he should live in a van down by the river

[Buzz Clik]

29. Really. The greedy bastard.

[NoPasaran]

114. A van? Well, look who's all high and mighty!

Everyone knows real progressives are happy with a hole in the ground with a board over it.

[BeyondGeography]

116. Neither option has plumbing

So Al's integrity would be intact either way.

[Bucky]

148. A "hole in the ground"? My god, have you no concern for your carbon footprint?!

Like erosion isn't bad enough for Mother Earth, now you want people burrowing into the soil like strip miners?

[Buzz Clik]

28. Oh my God!

Who on earth could, in good conscience, make a good business decision????!!!!1111

I am shocked! Shocked and outraged!

Who does Gore think he is? He should sell everything, give it the profits to Code Pink, buy a pair of old jeans, and eat nothing but cat food.

I am so pissed off right now!

[hobbit709]

31. Are you going to blame Nader for this too?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. I personally blame those dicks Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

32. Aww, this thread didn't turn out as planned. Did it little buddy?..... Or who knows maybe it did. nt

[RevStPatrick]

35. What is wrong with you?

This is just dumb...

[regjoe]

36. Wealth takes care of wealth

To pretend one millionaire cares about We the People more than another millionaire is naive.

[trumad]

38. Nice post newbie.

I'm not a millionaire and I'd do that same exact thing.

Wouldn't you?

[regjoe]

121. Thanks old timer

And no, I wouldn't.
I support higher taxes so I would not be looking for a way to pay less.

I also have somewhat of a chip on my shoulder about multi-millionaires who pretend to care about the needy during their 7 course meal in one of their multiple houses, so my opinion is probably a little slanted.

Doesn't matter what side of the aisle, wealth serves wealth.

[trumad]

131. so when you do your taxes..

you take no deductions. God the shit in this thread is amazing.

[regjoe]

165. Oh, I take the standard deductions

I just don't go out of my way to dodge paying my fair share.

Look, if you are naive enough to believe one multi-millionaire cares more about you than another multi-millionaire, then more power to you.
I would ask though, IF your multi-millionaire cares more about you than other multi-millionaires, why does he spend all of his time eating, sleeping and playing with them? Why does he work to to benefit them and avoid what benefits you?

[Ikonoklast]

47. I own and run a business, and if I don't pay attention to the vagaries of current tax law and the

tyranny of the calender along with it, I'll either end up paying far more in taxes than I need to, or go out of business because I'm being stupid.

Has nothing to do with being a millionaire, it has everything to do with being prudent and pro-active in running a business in a way that minimizes your tax liability...all done legally and within the rules set by the IRS itself.

[JaneyVee]

37. Liberals & progressives are WAY better at business than conservatives.

[jwirr]

39. I see it differently. Being able to view a concept different than your own is part of freedom of the

press and is a source of education. If we can stand to have faux news lies all day we can stand to see a different viewpoint. Especially when we are deeply involved in the area in question. I am quite aware that our own news media do not always tell us the whole story. For that reason I watch BBC and other news from outside of the US.

[graham4anything]

41. I never said this was a bad thing. I would do the same. So would Bernie and Dennis

because why would someone not do it

The point is, everybody would do it.

This is for the media who is so holier than though, but they wouldn't not do it either

Which is the point.

BTW, this is from the left wing NY Times and T. Goodard's site.
I only posted what everyone else posts from his site

Notice by the way that those in the media that put down the Clinton's, one thing is for sure, they did not have any money til after Bill left office, never had a home
and they never had a dynasty.

Al Gore is the son of a presidential father who wanted but did not get there.

The point being, if Bernie Sanders and the others had a father who ran for president, would those immediately say no go Bernie, dynasty and all that.

Hillary45 in 2016. She won't be stopped

Maybe it could be a Clinton/Gore team, though I would doubt Hillary would want that.

[tradecenter]

50. Your implication was that it was a bad thing

and when the thread didn't goes as you thought it would, you try to twist what you really meant.
Sorry, not buying what you're trying to sell.
Fail.

[graham4anything]

59. I am a 10 year member of the Al Gore boards.(still currently there).

If I didn't have a doc appointment, would have been here the whole time, like I do on every other thread I debate on.

This is a good thing. It shows heroes aren't perfect

Which is why LBJ was so great, nobody's perfect, but you take the good, subtract a bad or three and you come up with greatness

All the media putting President Obama down missed the whole big picture, as they always do.

Only the Rev. Al Sharpton called it correct from day one.

It is why I myself don't idolize Bernie or Dennis and Al Franken, over others.
Daschle and Gephardt and Bruce Babbitt were good people. Some don't like some things, others like other things. Me, I like Dick Durbin too.
Tom Daschle almost gave up his life trying to avoid voting for Iraq. Never gets the due.
People call him DNC or that new name people make bad out of now.

And I love Al Gore, and if I had that type money damn right I would do the same thing he did.
I was on hoping he would avenge his not being on the placemat of the presidents in 2004.
But he walked away, funny thing is, he did so on SNL in a skit with Al Franken of all people.
Never quite understood why he didn't go for the rematch. But it was good he gave everybody alot of time to prepare for a different choice.
And I was on Al Gore's draft Gore site in 2003 and still am on the Gore board today.
So I do like what he has done

[tradecenter]

66. Your OP implied that what he did was a bad thing,

you can't get away from that despite all your little duck and weave maneuvers here.
The thread didn't go as planned and now you're trying to backtrack from it.
Like I said, not buying what you're selling.
Fail.

[graham4anything]

92. So do you agree there should be 100% pro-Obama media and pro-Hillary media?

that is a more important question

because sure see a lot of negativity about both of those democrats.

I am 100% positive on both of them.
There is a reason he is the #4 greatest President of all time after Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ.
(with Jimmy Carter at #5).

[tradecenter]

106. Your ducking and weaving again.

Bottom line is that you implied that his selling at a profit was a bad thing and now your trying to distract from your OP.
Not buying what your selling.
Fail.
And no, I don't agree that the media should be 100% pro Obama or pro Hillary, why should they? Why would you want them to be?
That smacks of the old communist paper Pravda who were 100% pro whatever Soviet leader was in power.

[graham4anything]

115. But when push comes to shove, they get the votes, as winners always do

Bernie and Dennis and Franken have their role

As Kris Kristofferson said
freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
Bernie and Dennis will never be president, as Kris said, that means they are free to do as they please without needing to win nationwide votes.

except when their vote is needed I guess, as 100% of the time when 60 is needed, they do the correct thing
team players always do

the idolizing of certain over others makes no sense, as one for all all for one when push comes to shove

(though it reminds me of Ron Paul fans, now he is making $50grand for a 45 minute or less speech.)

remember we all want a continuation of President Obama for years to come after 2017.
Why anyone would want to give up the forward movement is beyond me.

[tradecenter]

119. Amazing.

You keep bobbing and weaving on your own OP. Bottom line is that you implied Gore did a bad thing by selling before the new tax code was passed, you can't deny or get away from your own words.
Not buying what your selling.
Fail.

[brew987]

170. hahahahahahaha

[NCTraveler]

98. You are now saying you don't have a problem with it.

Yet you type this. "This is a good thing. It shows heroes aren't perfect"

He is in no way in error with this business move. Except in your mind.

You are transparent.

[graham4anything]

103. Why do media put down Obama, Hillary, Daschle, Gephardt, Durbin, Menendez? I never do.

I remember the cuttenrunners in the media after the first debate tossing Obama into the river when he did his 9 step ahead rope-a-dope

Won't listen to Rachel or Ed ever again

Al Sharpton was the one and only one who called it like I did, 100% correctly

and yes, trying to max the profit is a good thing.
Are you now saying it is bad?

but I see many in media trashing Obama and Hillary.
I do hope she tells McCain to screw off and doesn't testify. She is not required to as a private citizen.The rightwing conspiracy she talked about years ago is still there.

Yet Bernie voted enthusiastically with Obama the other night, after so many said he was pure and wouldn't. I knew he would. He is a team player.
He knows the other side won't get him what he wants.

[NCTraveler]

111. Either you replied to the wrong person, you have had a brain fart,.....

or I am too stupid to grasp your brilliance.

I can not make heads or tails of how this is a reply to my post.

[karynnj]

162. I lived in NJ for decades and did not ever see the media go after Menendez

The closest was they reported and then debunked the Kean charges. This happened even in the very Republican Morris county papers.

The media has been extremely supportive of Hillary Clinton other than the right wing fringe. The NYT postulated a run for President for her in 1992 before she personally ran for anything.

Not to mention, what kind of logic says that if the media did mistreat some people, you should impute bad motives to Al Gore?

As to testifying, Clinton said, before her illness, that she WANTED to testify. Wouldn't you in her position? Testifying allows her to answer any questions rather than having people think that she did something wrong. (Remember Lieberman, who read the report, said the report did not indicate that she did anything wrong.) As to being a private citizen 1) SHE IS STILL SOS and 2) Committees can and do call private citizens to appear.

[Uncle Joe]

52. Bullshit, the title of your OP is an obvious slam against Gore

Al Gore, progressive leader one minute, wanting to cash in big time the next...

The implications of your title being Gore wasn't a progressive leader anymore because he did "what everybody else would do," in trying to save money on his taxes.

I never said this was a bad thing. I would do the same. So would Bernie and Dennis

because why would someone not do it

The point is, everybody would do it.

[ProSense]

54. "Hillary45 in 2016. She won't be stopped"

"Maybe it could be a Clinton/Gore team, though I would doubt Hillary would want that. "

Issues?

[graham4anything]

62. Gore is in SF now. We already got California in the bag.

Why would Gore want to be Vice President again? Though Joe Biden probably would jump at the chance.

Charlie Crist in Florida or Julian Castro from Texas or Joe Biden would be more electorial adventageous at this point.

don't you think?

[RomneyLies]

71. Please see post 87. eom

[graham4anything]

94. you have said this 20 times. There is NO post 87

since your first post saying that, there were less than 70.

How could there be a post 87?

(I was trying to be polite and not mention that, but you keep posting it and there is no post 87 in the time period of this thread)

[RomneyLies]

102. Pardon me

[graham4anything]

105. that was written 30 minutes after the first post said it.Much like Fox would do

the first time it was written one was only up to posts dozens down

how juvenile.

[RomneyLies]

108. See post 87

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022119584

[Electric Monk]

122. Perhaps you have Trajan on ignore?

Click here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2123393

[graham4anything]

127. I have nobody on ignore. It is quite immature to be afraid of debate on a debate board.

If I wanted a echo chamber I would play pong solo

and the 87 reference was put up 25 minutes before there was an 87
like a dumb drinking game
(btw-I don't drink alchohol. ever.Drinking games are for college frats)

[graham4anything]

107. post above written 11:25 AM. Post 87 was written 11:51 AM- 26 minutes after.

so it was a set up post 87.

as Jackie Gleason used to say

hardee har har har

how juvenile

[RomneyLies]

113. See post 87.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022119584

[graham4anything]

120. Is this a new internet game? I never heard of it.What is its origin? Enlighten me

[4Q2u2]

42. Business and Politics

Are they not the reason we are in this mess in the first place. I seem to remember an old saying that they should not mix.
It is one thing to practice business policy, it is quite another to advocate certain policies for other people, then avoid them yourself.
If you wanted to avoid the taxes then why advocate to raise them. Find other ways to secure a better budget then. Cut Congressional pay and benefits, lifetime medical, zero interest loans from "Friends". There were a lot of carve outs for special cases in the fISCAL cLIFF, putting needy people at risk for the Rich on both sides. Same as the Sandy bill, so many carve outs for buddies on both sides, the people ravaged by the storm are being held hostage so FAT CATS get more. So no big deal, nothing to see here. Are we that filtered that as long as they are on our side, BS is okay.

[Norrin Radd]

46. kr

[Nye Bevan]

48. Nobody should be criticized for using every possible legal avenue to minimize their taxes (nt).

[4Q2u2]

53. Not Illegal

but certainly unethical to have one stance, then use technicalities to avoid being accountable for your policies. All for me, none for thee.

[NCTraveler]

100. What technicality? You mean tax law? nt.

[Romulox]

140. Why not? nt

[MKITEM]

56. Didn't you just post something anti-Nader a couple of days ago?

Have you ever posted anything anti-Bush?

[4Q2u2]

61. That is Like Shooting

Fish in a barrel. Way too easy. Numb nuts was a class A silver spoon screw up. Bush should always we dealt with Irish Alzheimer's. Remember only the grudges.

[graham4anything]

64. I believe in going forward. So my posts are anti-Jeb Bush. W is in the past

I believe in going forward.
Jeb in 2016 is going forward with being the repub nominee
Stopping Jeb is what Hillary45 will do.

It takes a Clinton to beat a Bush.

And I have warned people about 1000 times about Jeb being the nominee in 2016 on this very board.

So the answer to your question is yes.

[graham4anything]

69. Any real Gore fan does not like Ralph Nader after 2000. Include me in on both counts.

Nader threw the election to Bush.
November preceded December 2000

and Ralph said both were alike,if you recall.
So he thinks Gore would have named Alito and Roberts.

I sure don't.

[MKITEM]

78. But you hate both Gore and Nader

That only leaves one slot open for you,

[graham4anything]

84. I love Al Gore. I am still on his boards. I believe in going forward.

I assume you assumed wrong about the OP

And Al Gore loves the Clinton's, as he would never have been VP if Bill and Hillary did not ask him.

So Al Gore fans should want Hillary45 it goes to say. I know I do.

[MKITEM]

97. You have got some weird logic

I really can't make heads nor tails of any of your posts.

[BlueCaliDem]

118. Actually, he doesn't. From the posts I've read of him

he's still pretty angry that people on our side voted for Nader and by doing so, brought the tallies so close that Bush was able to steal the 2000 election with very little effort.

It's a real slap-in-the-face when we later discover that the GOP secretly funded Nader's campaign in 2000.

I don't appear to read the dis everyone else on this thread is reading. When I read the OP, it felt as if the Original Poster was trying to point out how the media is attacking Al Gore again - and they are. A brief trip to PuffPo will show you as much.

[blm]

70. He usually posts attacks on Kerry.

And usually wraps those attacks in backhanded compliments of Clintons. Transparent to most of us.

[graham4anything]

74. A Gore fan does not like Ralph Nader after 2000

[RomneyLies]

75. See post 87. eom

[blm]

76. Divisive comments on Dem boards is all you ever offer.

.

[graham4anything]

83. 100% of my posts are Pro-Obama, Pro-Hillary45,Pro-Durbin, Pro-Daschle, Pro-Gephardt,Pro-Crist

whereas there are way too many anti-Obama, anti-Hillary45 posts in the media.

It's as if people don't want to send out the strongest team in 2016 to win the big game

And 100% of all Pro-Obama Kennedy's in the family.
Funny how the best candidate for senate seat would be Vicky Kennedy using getting guns out of the street but hopefully in 2014.

Would love to see an Hillary45/Vicky Kennedy46 ticket in 2016

Mass could get a national leader if it elects Vicky in 2014, after Markey may or may not get the seat in the special.
Not that I don't like him, but he is no shoo in and nationally nobody knows him.
Whether he can win the 1/2 of the state that is not liberal is an unknown.

[blm]

93. Those are sicky-sweet posts full of backhanded slaps at ALL of them.

.

[Lex]

58. I like threads where I can tell a lot about the

OP. And from reading the thread, a lot of people know what's up.

[obamanut2012]

141. this

[WI_DEM]

60. If you don't want this misinterpreted as an attack on Gore you should change

your headline. Certainly you can see how people can take your headline as taking Gore to task.

[Lex]

63. Apparently if you're a progressive, you're not allowed to make money. WTF kind of

crap is that anyway?

[graham4anything]

65. Who said that? I would do the same, though I am just a liberal, not a progressive.

and I sure don't like Ralph Nader who threw the 2000 election

any real Al Gore fan does not like Ralph Nader after 2000.

[Lex]

68. You said that. Don't be coy. nt

[2ndAmForComputers]

168. "mis-"?

[RomneyLies]

67. Please see post 87. eom

[whatchamacallit]

79. You're just having the button pressing time of your life here

aren't ya...

[bigtree]

91. +1

[stevenleser]

85. ...

[Trajan]

87. graham4anything

As far as I am concerned; You are a disruptor, and have been since you arrived here ... I'm surprised you have lasted this long ...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

90. .

[blm]

95. EXACTLY!!!!

.

[FSogol]

104. +1 n/t

[Solly Mack]

135. !*^This^*!

[Blue_In_AK]

145. +1

[Tuesday Afternoon]

150. +1

[Skittles]

151. CORRECT

[WilliamPitt]

89. *sigh*

[RomneyLies]

110. But ya gotta love a good dogpile

[Taverner]

112. So???

This is like the Gore "scandal" that his office was in operation for years before it was smart wired.

[grantcart]

117. the fact that this only got 3 recs is an encouraging sign

[eilen]

123. Epic Fail then, I guess Al has to pay up. He really does have bad timing.

Lots of people look to save money on taxes. They put more money in retirement accounts, give to charity, induce labor, push to close on the purchase of their home to pay less closing costs etc. I don't doubt that he was looking to save some money. However, his taxes were raised anyway. I no longer have that channel since my cable company ditched it. Time Warner is a pretty large cable company, serving many communities so the value of the channel has plummeted, at least until they come to a deal with Al Jazeera. So, it looks like he came out ahead in the deal anyway.

[marmar]

125. Today's edition of posting silly sh*t for the sake of posting silly sh*t.

nt

[rosesaylavee]

129. So what?

What's the point of this OP and how does this indicate Gore is not progressive?

[graham4anything]

133. It was in the Huffpost, NY Times and Taegan Goodard, like thousands of other posted stuff

[rosesaylavee]

156. Ok. Specifically why choose to repost here?

What significance is there in this that you thought worthy of rehashing here?

[Coyotl]

130. D'oh! I cost money to do good in the world.

Get back to us after you know what he did with the money.

[MADem]

132. He is a private citizen who was fucked out of the Presidency that he won.

His family life has crumbled, he's getting old, he is no longer a public official and he hasn't been for some time now.

He doesn't "owe" me a goddamn thing. If he wanted to try to hang on to more of his money, LEGALLY, I'm not going to carp at him for so doing.

[graham4anything]

136. This thread a few days ago...note my post #8.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=348786

the point is consistency
as said, nothing wrong with anything Al Gore or the CEO's in other companies did or tried to do

but some consistency is nice

and Al Gore was screwed by Ralph Nader.
The 4 electoral votes of NH put Bush over the top. NOT Florida a month later, but in November.

How any democrat who likes (or even dislikes) Gore can like Ralph Nader I do not know.
He was propped up by republicans, financed by republicans and he was happy with the result of 2000, as it allowed him to continue to rant to the tune of millions in speeches(much like Ron Paul).

Nader was legally allowed to do what he did too. Just seems foolhardy to defeat the most green nominee of any MAJOR political party perhaps ever for an egotistal run.

And the total votes cast in 2000 were 5 to 10 million LOWER than any recent history elections.
I attribute that to the voters who stayed home believing nader both party are the same lies.

We are suppose to know that wasn't true. Not to defend Ralph Nader. Who maybe could have gotten a job in the Gore admin working in the Interior dept. or something had he actually wanted to do the grunt work needed instead of the easy way out bloviating.

[Fumesucker]

138. Nader could take bloviating lessons from you, your OP was a textbook example of bloviating n/t

[Oilwellian]

157. The word bloviate...

Always makes me want to burp. Excuse me. LOL

[Romulox]

139. You talking Al "Mr. NAFTA" Gore? He's been selling working people out since the 90s.

Time and again, Al Gore has found his passions lead him to fight for the interests of the powerful over the weak, the rich over the poor, and, most of all, his own pocketbook uber alles.

Now can he sell you some carbon offsets or not?

[Raine]

142. Why shouldn't a progressive get to take advantage of a lower tax. It's even more important

that those on our side take advantage of things like that so someone like Gore can put what he saved to good use. Why the heck should those on our side have to pay while those on the other side do everything they can to avoid paying??

[Z_I_Peevey]

143. This thread is interesting.

Al Gore, BTW, still a progressive leader.

In fact, a progressive leader with a brand spankin' new boatload of money.

<sunglasses>

<YEEEEEAAAAAAGGGGGHHH>

[RetroLounge]

144. More right-wing trolling by the usual suspect(s)

RL

[Bucky]

147. Oh hogwash. He's a businessman looking to maximize his profits.

There's nothing wrong with dabbling in the free market. He tried, met moderate success, and now wants to move on to other areas that perhaps represent his core competencies. He created jobs in the process and is not destroying those jobs in order to cash out when it was time to move on. If he was just a hypocrite, he'd've sold the network to Glenn Beck. He sold Current to alJazeera and saved people their jobs. Even in the free market, Gore is "putting people first."

[undeterred]

149. And he's still not a vegetarian.

Its like a slap in the face.

[Neon2012]

152. If Al Gore has more money

then more people get to hear his message.

Get yours Mr. Gore. Looking forward to seeing him speak in STL in a few weeks.

[underpants]

154. The press is scared because the news bubble might be popped by an actual news operation

but I am stating the obvious.

[Oilwellian]

158. Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony? n/t

[donheld]

159. Is your last name Palin?

[Romulox]

163. Some of you Gore sycophants just need to say "It's a good thing ya done, boy!" and move on...

It was a good thing Al done when he started Current, and it's a good thing he done when he shut it down!

[marshall]

166. In the end we're all hypocrites one way or another

Everybody wants to cash in. What matters is how much good we do to counter our innate greed.