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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:19 AM

1.5 million Iranians ordered to evacuate due to "pollution" (read: nuclear leak)

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http://freebeacon.com/iran-to-citizens-flee-isfahan/

Iranian officials have instructed residents of Isfahan to leave the city, renewing concerns that a nearby nuclear site could be leaking radioactive material.

An edict issued Wednesday by Iranian authorities orders Isfahan’s one-and-a-half million people to leave the city “because pollution has now reached emergency levels,” the BBC reported.

However, outside observers suspect that the evacuation order may corroborate previous reports indicating that a uranium enrichment facility near Isfahan had been leaking radioactive material.

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November reports indicated that a radioactive leak might have poisoned several workers at the nuclear plant, which converts highly toxic yellowcake uranium into material that could be used in the core of a nuclear weapon.

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Reply 1.5 million Iranians ordered to evacuate due to "pollution" (read: nuclear leak) (Original post)
TalkingDog Jan 2013 OP
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #1
Hubert Flottz Jan 2013 #2
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #3
Mona Jan 2013 #6
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #11
bananas Jan 2013 #25
bananas Jan 2013 #20
Mona Jan 2013 #24
bananas Jan 2013 #26
bananas Jan 2013 #27
cali Jan 2013 #7
TalkingDog Jan 2013 #8
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #10
TalkingDog Jan 2013 #15
A Simple Game Jan 2013 #30
Coyotl Jan 2013 #29
Mona Jan 2013 #4
cali Jan 2013 #13
SidDithers Jan 2013 #5
TalkingDog Jan 2013 #9
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #12
TalkingDog Jan 2013 #16
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #33
SidDithers Jan 2013 #19
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #14
Mona Jan 2013 #17
Mona Jan 2013 #23
leveymg Jan 2013 #18
Takket Jan 2013 #21
IADEMO2004 Jan 2013 #22
Coyotl Jan 2013 #28
Snarkoleptic Jan 2013 #31
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #32
Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 #34

Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:23 AM

1. This apparently started late November

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:26 AM

2. Crazy Bastids.

Looks like they will get a dose of their own medicine.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:27 AM

3. Apparently complete horseshit.

If there were an actual "nuclear leak" our monitoring of everything mullah related would have made this front page news on every major media source. Instead this is inner tube idiocy.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:35 AM

6. uh, no, unfortunately

The amount of coverage from the media on fukushima was an embarrassment.

I do believe that Chernobyl originally wan't reported and leaked for awhile, until it did finally get large enough to measure from the outside with the right winds. I vaguely recall that from the documentary I watched, but am not completely sure about that.

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Response to Mona (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:39 AM

11. The chernoble leak showed up on monitors within a very short time.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:11 AM

25. Two days later - for one of the biggest radiation leaks in history. nt

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Response to Mona (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:18 AM

20. You are correct - as is typical with nuclear accidents, they tried to pretend nothing happened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

The Chernobyl disaster ... occurred on 26 April 1986

<snip>

The initial evidence that a major release of radioactive material was affecting other countries came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on the morning of 28 April workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1,100 km (680 mi) from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothes.

It was Sweden's search for the source of radioactivity, after they had determined there was no leak at the Swedish plant, that at noon on 28 April led to the first hint of a serious nuclear problem in the western Soviet Union. Hence the evacuation of Pripyat on 27 April 36 hours after the initial explosions, was silently completed before the disaster became known outside the Soviet Union. The rise in radiation levels had at that time already been measured in Finland, but a civil service strike delayed the response and publication.

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Response to bananas (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:09 AM

24. thanks

I knew I was a bit shaky on the details though.

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Response to Mona (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:20 AM

26. A month later, a German pebble bed reactor leaked, they tried to pretend it was from Chernobyl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor#Thorium_High_Temperature_Reactor

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In spite of the limited amount of radioactivity released (0.1 GBq 60Co, 137Cs, 233Pa), the THTR management tried to hide the accident, possibly because this accident pointed to some specific problems with pebble bed reactors, mostly pebble flow and radioactive dust. The management might have thought that the emission would not be detectable due to the Chernobyl fallout happening at the same time. They continued to blame the Chernobyl fallout for all of the contamination found in the surroundings, until the presence of Pa-233 in the vicinity was detected. 233Pa is not formed in uranium reactors, such as Chernobyl, but only in thorium reactors (and also by natural spontaneous fissions with thorium nearby). Thus, step by step, the THTR management report lost all credibility. The radioactivity in the vicinity of the THTR-300 was finally found to result 25% from Chernobyl and 75% from THTR-300. The handling of this minor accident severely damaged the credibility of the German pebble bed community, and pebble bed reactors lost a lot of support in Germany.

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Response to Mona (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:26 AM

27. Nov 2011: Mystery Radiation Detected 'Across Europe'

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14932064

Mystery Radiation Detected 'Across Europe'


By LEE FERRAN (@leeferran)
Nov. 11, 2011

The hunt is on for the source of low level radiation detected in the atmosphere "across Europe" over the past weeks, nuclear officials said today.

Trace amounts of iodine-131, a type of radiation created during the operation of nuclear reactors or in the detonation of a nuclear weapon, were detected as early as three weeks ago by Austrian authorities and then two weeks ago by the Czech Republic's State Office for Nuclear Safety. Today the International Atomic Energy Agency released a statement revealing similar detections had been made "in other locations across Europe."

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The IAEA said it does not believe the radiation was left over from the nuclear disaster at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi plant in March and the Czech Republic's State Office for Nuclear Safety said it was unlikely to have been caused by an incident at any nuclear plant's core. A meltdown there, the Czech agency said, would have released several other radioactive isotopes in addition to iodine-131.

The IAEA has been unable to determine from which country the radiation is emanating, and both Czech and Austrian officials said it was unlikely their countries were the source. Austrian officials said in a statement that a study of the dispersal cloud indicated the radiation is most likely coming from somewhere in southeastern Europe.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:35 AM

7. agreed. this looks to be a pile of horseshit.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:36 AM

8. BBC report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9781000/9781575.stm

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Iranian authorities have advised the one and a half million people who live in Isfahan to leave the city if they can because pollution has now reached emergency levels. The same thing happened in the capital Tehran earlier this week. Kasra Naji works for the BBC's Persian TV service in London.


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Now, does that make it a nuclear leak? No. But why ask 1.5 million people to evacuate due to pollution, when that would only create more pollution?

Maybe I'm being skeptical in the American fashion, but that is illogical.




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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:38 AM

10. The part where it is a nuclear leak is inner tubes idiocy

And belongs in the conspiracy dungeon with the rest of idiotic speculation.

Did Teheran also have a nuclear leak or was that just cover for the leak in Isfahan?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:53 AM

15. Your reading comprehension is quesitonable. The story doesn't say: "There is a nuclear leak."

The story says, quite plainly: renewing concerns that a nearby nuclear site could be leaking radioactive material.

Yes, it's speculation. We post speculative stories on DU all of the time: "Obama wants to hand over SS to the Republicans" is the latest incarnation of that. Why the bug in your butt over this one?

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:48 AM

30. "Obama wants to hand over SS to the Republicans"? Really?

Could you provide a link, I would love to see that thread. I did see the transcript and video where President Obama admits putting chained CPI on the table, but your claim is a new one to me. I look forward to the link.

Thanks

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:34 AM

29. At times like this I'm looking all over for the UNREC button.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:29 AM

4. just great

Add that to the crap spewed/spewing from Fukushima, and the increasing toxicity of our world just get scarier.

Stupid to wish them ill on this, outside of basic humanitarian reasons, this is global pollution, that stuff travels.

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Response to Mona (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:41 AM

13. As Sid said, this is bullshit from a bullshit site

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:32 AM

5. Bullshit from a bullshit source...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:38 AM

9. BBC good enough for you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9781000/9781575.stm

They report pollution. I have no problem accepting that.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:40 AM

12. You reported a nuclear leak.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:55 AM

16. Please stop making things up.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:14 PM

33. at least edit your op so my claim would appear to be false.

"1.5 million Iranians ordered to evacuate due to "pollution" (read: nuclear leak)".

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:08 AM

19. Then why wasn't that your OP?...

Why use right-wing rag The Washington Free Beacon?

Sid

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:52 AM

14. I found this: "Iranian cities evacuated by smog alert"....

Although I've never heard of "World War 4 Report", this particular article does cite several sources linked in the article and they appear to be legit.

Iranian cities evacuated by smog alert

Iranian authorities on Jan. 2 advised the 1.5 million residents of Isfahan to leave the city if they can because air pollution has reached emergency levels. (BBC Radio, Jan. 2) Tehran's Air Quality Control Company also warned Jan. 2 that air pollution in the capital has also reached alarming levels, and ordered elementary schools and daycare centers closed in the city due to heavy smog. (Mehr News Agency, Jan. 1) Early last month, Tehran residents were likewise urged by authorities to lave the city in response to "dangerous" smog levels, blamed on nearly incessant bumper-to-bumper traffic. Similar edicts were issued for Isfahan and Arak. Schools were also ordered closed, and a cabinet meeting in the capital cancelled. Hospital admissions during the smog alert jumped by 15%, primarily due to people suffering headaches, respiratory problems and nausea. (AAP, Dec. 6; IBT, Dec. 5; AFP, Dec. 3)

The Isfahan evacuation advisory sparked speculation that the move was really ordered due to a mishap at the city's Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF). Last month, Iranian authorities denied foreign media reports about claims of a radiation leak at the UCF. "The rumors about leaking and contamination at Isfahan's UCF are not true at all; some western media are just seeking to create tumult in the society through such moves," said provincial deputy governor-general for security affairs Mohammad Mehdi Esmayeeli. (Free Beacon, Jan. 2; Fars News Agency, Dec. 9)


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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:57 AM

17. someone on twitter

Reported an explosion and cited an earthquake as a posible cause, but I haven't seen anything sourced. Interesting article here though: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/global/the-next-chernobyl.xml

There are often small leaks of nuclear material from plants in the US that never reach the MSM.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:05 AM

18. There is no large nuclear reactor in Isfahan that might cause such a leak or a need to evaculate

a city.

Yellow cake, itself, isn't dangerously radioactive and is not highly toxic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake The plant in Isfahan processes yellow cake into uranium dioxide powder, which doesn't require special handling. The next step in the fuel cycle is to convert the powder into uranium hexafluoride gas (UH6), and then spin it in centrifuges, a process which isn't particularly toxic and doesn't emit large amounts of radiation. Refined UH6 gas stored in large quantities is toxic at close distances in the event that a container is ruptured, and there have been industrial accidents in the US in which large quantities were released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_hexafluoride

There's also a facility that processes zirconium at the Isfahan site, and that isn't dangerous. http://www.madehow.com/Volume-1/Zirconium.html This report seems to echo reports of an explosion at that plant that happened 18 months ago. http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/no-visible-evidence-of-explosion-at-esfahan-nuclear-site-adjacent-facility-/

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:22 AM

21. I'm sure UN inspectors could help identify the problem.... OH WAIT

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:42 AM

22. High sulfur gas, crappy vehicles, clay brick manufacturing are the cause of years of bad air.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:33 AM

28. RU a lapdog for the extreme right-wing nutjobs?

Really, posting Free Beacon Propaganda rag crap on DU? Reallly?

"The Washington Free Beacon, a project of the 501(c)4 Center for American Freedom, is a nonprofit online newspaper that began publication on February 7, 2012. Dedicated to uncovering the stories that the professional left hopes will never see the light of day,...
http://freebeacon.com/about/"

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:04 AM

31. I imagine it had some "help" getting to the point it began leaking.

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Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:12 AM

32. Having spent half of my life working in our weapons program I can tell you, this is horseshit

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