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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:46 AM

A Round of Applause for Harry Reid, Please!

The only Democratic leader who's not cool with cutting "strengthening" Social Security, and seems to have held fast for our interests in the latest shock doctrining.

And, as PA28 points out below... anyone who can get Boehner to demand that he perform sexual union with himself *must* be doing something right!

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Reply A Round of Applause for Harry Reid, Please! (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 OP
fadedrose Jan 2013 #1
ProSense Jan 2013 #2
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #4
ProSense Jan 2013 #5
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #8
ProSense Jan 2013 #11
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #12
ProSense Jan 2013 #14
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #15
Enrique Jan 2013 #25
Enrique Jan 2013 #24
patrice Jan 2013 #3
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #6
patrice Jan 2013 #9
pa28 Jan 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #10
pa28 Jan 2013 #13
marlakay Jan 2013 #16
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #17
rocktivity Jan 2013 #18
CreekDog Jan 2013 #19
UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #20
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #21
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #23
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #28
aquart Jan 2013 #22
Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #26
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Rex Jan 2013 #27

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:48 AM

1. "not" ?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:49 AM

2. Cool, then it's a no go for good, right?

Glad to see that you've come to that realization.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:54 AM

4. Not sure why I gave that impression

I suspect it will be back... Someone important has a fixation on cutting it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:56 AM

5. Do you think Reid

"the only Democratic leader who's not cool with cutting "strengthening" Social Security" will hold fast in the future or do you think he will eventually cave?

You love making predictions, what's your take?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:00 AM

8. Tough one. Reid has a boss.

Will he defy his boss?

I tend to think he will, but there will be a lot of pressure to not. Also, his boss tends to take Reid out of the loop when he's not sufficiently deferential to Republicans, which makes it even more difficult - he'd have to kill a deal rather than stop one from being made.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:03 AM

11. You think he

"Will he defy his boss? "

...defied "his boss" this time? What would cause him to submit in the future?

What do you see changing that would cause Reid to sellout Social Security and seniors?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:06 AM

12. There's $2.5 trillion (and growing) in the SS Trust Fund

And the wealthy want it for themselves.

Very, very strong pressure will be applied.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:11 AM

14. I don't think anyone

"Very, very strong pressure will be applied."

...who strongly supports Social Security will cave to pressure. Seriously, I don't think such a proposal could pass in the Senate, especially not the next Congress.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:12 AM

15. I hope you're right

And I hope that we never find out if it will pass, that it won't even come up.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:04 PM

25. yes, the usual pressure

from the people that have been gunning for Social Security all along.

Possibly some additional pressure from someone that helped Reid in a very close election. I'm sure Reid doesn't need to be reminded about that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:01 PM

24. Reid dared once to claim that Obama was NOT his boss

and DU came down on him like a ton of bricks for that apparently outrageous statement. By the same people that tell me to "read the Constitution"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:53 AM

3. Yep! & Now to see if we can get some reinforcements in there in 2014. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:57 AM

6. We've got a big one in Elizabeth Warren starting Thursday

As she says, if Democrats lose they should make sure that there's blood and teeth left on the floor?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:01 AM

9. I feel good every time I think of Elizabeth Warren! Yeah, "blood & teeth"! Let's DO this thing!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:59 AM

7. He's doing *something* right.

John Boehner staggered out of a bottle long enough to shake his fists and tell him to go fuck himself before staggering back in.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:01 AM

10. Great point!

Mind if I add that to the OP?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:08 AM

13. No, Harry Reid is really one of the good guys. He deserves a round of applause. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:15 AM

16. When I heard he threw a list

Of what republicans wanted in the fire, I thought yeh Harry!

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Response to marlakay (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:26 AM

17. Actually, those were *Obama's* requests in the fireplace. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:53 AM

18. If Social Security needs more money, get rid of the salary cap

If Medicare or Medicaid need more money, get rid of the age requirements.


rocktivity

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:58 AM

19. Yes. I'm nervous about the filibuster developments, but impressed with how Reid handled this

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:31 AM

20. Go Harry!

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:36 AM

21. K&R.

I admit. I was a doubter.

And part of me is still very skeptical about this deal.

But for the moment, thank you, Senator Reid.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:45 PM

23. It seems that Reid thought it a bad deal, too

but did the best he could, given that his boss wanted a deal:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-mcconnell-and-biden-pulled-congress-away-from-the-fiscal-cliff/2013/01/02/992fe6de-5501-11e2-8e84-e933f677fe68_print.html

They weren’t moving because Democrats had decided that they had gone as far as they could. Reid and Obama had disagreed privately about what their next offer should be. At one point, Reid was unhappy with an idea that Senate aides said came from Obama — to put the change in Social Security benefits back on the table in exchange for a delay in spending cuts and a rise in the debt limit.

Aides said Reid actually tore up the proposal and threw it into the blazing fire in his ornate green marble fireplace. The paper burned. Reid said he didn’t want evidence that the idea had ever been considered.

...

McConnell, frustrated, asked an aide to call Biden. The two of them had brokered the deal that set up this mess, during the debt-ceiling crisis of 2011. Now, they would broker the deal that ended it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:45 PM

28. This is what I suspected and why I also suspect that Social Security and Medicare are still in dange

At one point, Reid was unhappy with an idea that Senate aides said came from Obama — to put the change in Social Security benefits back on the table in exchange for a delay in spending cuts and a rise in the debt limit.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-mcconnell-and-biden-pulled-congress-away-from-the-fiscal-cliff/2013/01/02/992fe6de-5501-11e2-8e84-e933f677fe68_print.html

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:44 AM

22. Did you see Lawrence tonight? Because Harry was a whole lot busier than that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:12 PM

26. Hold strong Harry, you may be the last hope here. n/t

K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:15 PM

27. .

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