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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:40 PM

They use the term 'permanent tax cuts' - like they can *never* change

Just one more way to propagandize Americans....

They (pundits, politicians) will say 'well these tax cuts are permanent' and
'make these tax cuts permanent'.

Thing is, all Congress has to do is pass new tax legislation and then that become law.

Just want to bring out this point.

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Reply They use the term 'permanent tax cuts' - like they can *never* change (Original post)
TheProgressive Jan 2013 OP
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #1
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #2
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #3
Enrique Jan 2013 #4
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #5
Enrique Jan 2013 #6
kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #7
Enrique Jan 2013 #8
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #11
malaise Jan 2013 #9
gollygee Jan 2013 #10
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #12
gollygee Jan 2013 #13

Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:56 PM

1. This is weak.

The point is the Bush tax cuts had an expiration date. Obama's tax cuts have no expiration. They never have to come up for another vote. They will not be altered under the current political dynamic.

They are as "permanent" as the current climate. If you can show us how we can add 50 seats in the House, then I will stop calling them "permanent". But in my opinion, this cannot happen before 2022 at the earliest because of the state of Gerrymandering.

If you are just wanting to make some pedantic argument about the meaning of the word "permanent", I don't have a lot of patience for that. For all practical purposes, they are permanent for 10-20 years.

Rather than deny that, which nothing but a quixotic exercise, may I suggest you instead apply yourself to what we can realistically do to get revenues from other sources and what we can do to take control of the House?

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:03 PM

2. Whoa, Moose, engage your brain please...

I make an extremely valid point that the pundits, politicians, and the media refer to tax cuts as 'permanent' giving the
impression that they can never change. My thread is to state that this is propaganda and that yes, taxes can go
up and they can go down with *legislation*.

You are aware of how bills work?

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:12 PM

3. You made a very factual point, the validity is less so because they are as permanent as any

tax rates can be.

Nothing is permanent in a highly precise way, even the Constitution can be amended.

Hell, the sun will go out and the Earth will be consumed by it well before then.

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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:18 PM

4. they have been using the term "permanent" for over ten years

no one has ever questioned that word usage until the last few days.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:24 PM

5. I wrote this post because this type of subtle propaganda does effect people...

And I simply wanted to point it out.

Words do matter.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:32 PM

6. it isn't propaganda

it is normal language intended to convey information rather than spin.

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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:33 PM

7. Like anything in law is permanent. Why don't people realize this? nt

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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:44 PM

8. Obama is guilty of this dastardly propaganda

12/7/2010

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/transcript-of-obamas-remarks-on-tax-cut-deal.php

And in exchange for a temporary extension of the high-income tax breaks -- not a permanent but a temporary extension -- a policy that I opposed but that Republicans are unwilling to budge on, this agreement preserves additional tax cuts for the middle class that I fought for and that Republicans opposed two years ago.




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Response to Enrique (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:51 PM

11. I did mention 'pundits, *politicians*, and media'...

It is misleading to use the word 'permanent' for tax cuts/hikes as these things can be changed in law...

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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:45 PM

9. I made the same point yesterday

That simple - no money bill is permanent

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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:47 PM

10. I think it's just intended to differentiate these tax cuts from

the ones that had an expiration date.

I think you're reading too much into it.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:54 PM

12. Maybe so...

although I don't think they use it for that reason. It is just my opinion because words do matter. That's all I'm saying...

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:58 PM

13. There is a crazy amount of propaganda language in the news

so I get why you think this is some of it, but it feels to me like it's just to differentiate between these and the other tax cuts they replace. "Tax cuts with no expiration date" sounds awkward, but "permanent" says the same thing in one word.

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