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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:38 PM

 

Record Gun Sales in December

Record gun sales were recorded in December 2012 with over 2.7 million background checks being conducted through the FBI's National Instant Check System (NICS), the agency said today. For 2012, more background checks were conducted than any year since 1998.

In December, 2,783,765 total background checks were carried out to purchase firearms, surpassing the previous record from November 2012 when 2,006,919 checks were performed.

For the year, 19,592,303 background checks carried out for firearm purchases-a 19 percent rise from 2011.

Each check doesn't represent a single gun, just a single background check transaction



http://news.yahoo.com/record-gun-sales-december-2012-175231843--abc-news-politics.html



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former-republican Jan 2013 OP
onehandle Jan 2013 #1
sylvi Jan 2013 #36
Hoyt Jan 2013 #2
spin Jan 2013 #9
Hoyt Jan 2013 #14
spin Jan 2013 #21
Hoyt Jan 2013 #22
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #37
Hoyt Jan 2013 #38
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #39
Hoyt Jan 2013 #41
NickB79 Jan 2013 #61
Hoyt Jan 2013 #63
reteachinwi Jan 2013 #43
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #45
lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #3
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #4
neverforget Jan 2013 #5
regjoe Jan 2013 #6
spanone Jan 2013 #7
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #8
spin Jan 2013 #10
derby378 Jan 2013 #11
bongbong Jan 2013 #12
spin Jan 2013 #25
derby378 Jan 2013 #47
bongbong Jan 2013 #50
spin Jan 2013 #51
bongbong Jan 2013 #58
spin Jan 2013 #60
spin Jan 2013 #15
Hoyt Jan 2013 #16
spin Jan 2013 #23
Hoyt Jan 2013 #26
spin Jan 2013 #53
Hoyt Jan 2013 #54
spin Jan 2013 #56
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #40
spin Jan 2013 #55
Logical Jan 2013 #13
AnOhioan Jan 2013 #17
Marinedem Jan 2013 #18
sylvi Jan 2013 #19
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #20
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #29
loli phabay Jan 2013 #34
loli phabay Jan 2013 #24
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #27
Recursion Jan 2013 #28
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #44
Recursion Jan 2013 #46
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #48
Recursion Jan 2013 #49
loli phabay Jan 2013 #33
former-republican Jan 2013 #42
-..__... Jan 2013 #30
sakabatou Jan 2013 #31
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #32
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #59
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #65
Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #35
hack89 Jan 2013 #57
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #52
NickB79 Jan 2013 #62
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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:42 PM

1. Lotsa dickless paranoid whackjobs out there. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:07 PM

36. There sure are.

 

How is the VPC doing these days, by the way?

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:43 PM

2. Yes we know, gun cultists in DU Gungeon are cheering/celebrating more guns in more places.

The celebration of more guns in more places occurs at least once or twice every month. The gun cultists seem so happy to have others join them in the gun compound.

Early celebration for December 2012 record lethal weapons sales: http://www.democraticunderground.com/117299355

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:48 PM

9. Not necessarily. ...

I often post in the gungeon in support of gun rights yet I don't believe that firearms should be everywhere. I do however believe that in any area designated as being "gun free" that houses a lot of people armed security should be present. I watched a lot of football this last weekend and noted armed security on the sidelines.

I welcome anyone to debate in the gungeon and it doesn't matter which side of the issue that they support. Unlike some I do not dislike other who disagree with my views and try to consider their opinions fairly.

What I do find sad is that all the media publicity about new legislation is causing a tremendous increase in the sale of firearms to many who lack the necessary training to use them safely. I also fear that many people who do buy these weapons are buying firearms which are inappropriate for the use they intend.

Some people may decide an AR-15 would be an excellent home defense weapon. While this might be true in a rural area, a far better choice for home defense in an urban environment would be a shotgun or handgun. An AR type rifle might be a good choice for a hunter or target shooter as they are popular in competitive shooting events and offer advantages over bolt action rifles for hunting. (No, you don't need a 20 round magazine to hunt deer and most states limit the magazine capacity of a weapon used to hunt such game to 5 rounds. While I am not a hunter I don't believe that there is any limit in the magazine size of a semi-auto rifle while hunting feral hog in my home state of Florida as such animals are considered pests and do considerable damage to the environment.)

I enjoy shooting handguns for self defense and have a shotgun and handgun available for home defense as I live in a small rural town in north Florida. I don't own any assault style rifles or any pistols with a magazine capacity of over 10 rounds as such weapons are not necessary for the purposes I use firearms for.

I feel that the driver in the increased sale of firearms is the use of the word "ban" by the leadership of the gun control movement.

It is my opinion that gun control movement would be wise to ban the use of the word "ban." Using a less inflammatory term such as "regulate" might help reduce the number of weapons that will be purchased in the next year while gun control is being considered in Congress. It would also help to keep NRA membership from skyrocketing as it has in the recent weeks. Some reports state the 8000 people a day are joining the NRA. Currently only 4.5 million gun owners out of 80 million belong to the NRA and if you think it is a big bully today, imagine how powerful it will be if the membership doubles or triples and contributions from the new members start flowing in.

I do support some changes to our current laws to better limit the flow of firearms to those who are criminals, suffer from serious mental issues that might lead to tragedies such as we have recently seen or lack the responsibility to own firearms. The NRA is strongly opposed to many of my ideas but I feel they could become reality and make far more difference than another useless feel good law.

Right now the gun control crowd feels it's riding high in the saddle. I would suggest that it avoids poking the spurs to hard or too often into the stallion it is riding or it might once again find itself thrown from the saddle.



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Response to spin (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:22 PM

14. Spin, the armed security is at football games because gun cultists turn bad.

Remember Loughner, Holmes, Zimmerman, Stawicki, Loughner, Weaver, and others. And the gun cultists buy too many guns, promote guns, glamorize guns, drool over "assault" weapons, carry in public places, play cowboy, support right wing organizations like NRA, and a lot more.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:22 PM

21. I actually agree. ...

that armed security is present at football games to protect innocent fans from the actions of of an extremely small number of gun owners who suffer from truly dangerous mental issues as well as potential terrorists. So far they have proven to be an effective deterrent. That's why I support armed security at areas zoned as gun free that house a large number of people.

You appear to be insinuating that most gun owners are extremely dangerous and irresponsible. Considering that there are an estimated 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation it is not surprising that a few will misuse their firearms and a tragedy will result. However another small percentage of gun owners will use their firearms for legitimate self defense, a fact that you choose to totally ignore.

Statistics published by states such as Florida and Texas show that citizens who have carry permits are extremely honest and responsible. In fact they are far more honest and responsible than almost any other segment of our society. Unfortunately a very few do use their weapons to cause a tragedy but also a few are able to stop an attack by a street thug and in most cases no shots are fired.

I will also point out the bowlers often "drool" over a new bowling ball, golfers "drool" over a new putter, fishermen "drool' over a new rod and reel and car nuts "drool" over a new high performance vehicle. The level of emotion or "drooling" is probably the same in all cases.

Cowboy Action Shooting events are a rising fad in shooting sports. Do you seriously consider this a true problem as the participants use antiquated firearms and dress up in Old West costumes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_Action_Shooting










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Response to spin (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:59 PM

22. To make your bad habits easy for you, we have to accept the bad outcomes.

If one is truly interesting in target shooting - and not lethality of weapons - use an air rifle, it's challenging and much less detrimental to society. If you hunt, you really don't need 10 semi-autos. You don't need a gun in your pants to walk down street.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:10 PM

37. Does the Constitution say ...

 

... the Right to Free Speech -- if you can demonstrate a need for it

... the Right to exercise your religion -- if you can demonstrate a need for it

... or, the Right to Bear Arms -- if you can demonstrate a need for it

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:16 PM

38. Well REGULATED - easy to understand.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:22 PM

39. Very Easy ...

 

The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained"

In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "the adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

And every responsible gun-owner / shooter believes in the imposition of proper discipline and training in the exercise of our Constitutional right.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:37 PM

41. The dissent is the essence of Heller. Rest is BS from justices needing a gun

to live life to their fullest.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:35 PM

61. The dissent isn't the law of the land.

What's next, discussing how the dissent in Roe v. Wade was the essence?

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:42 PM

63. Were their 4 dissenting Justices in the R v Wade decision? Don't think so.


Make up of Court will change, and hopefully it will be less right wing. We'll see new cases, with better outcomes -- ie, even more room for regulation/restriction than Scalia, et al endorsed.

Besides, I don't see anyone moving fast in wake of Heller or McDonald, just a bunch of gun cultists dancing a stupid jig.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:01 AM

43. Rights

 

There are "free speech zones" that restrict the time, manner, and place where one can exercise their right to speech. Separating church and state limits the free exercise of religion in a way that rankles fundamentalists. Rights for all obligates individuals to respect the rights of others. Your rights end where my nose begins.

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Response to reteachinwi (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:47 AM

45. I promise to keep my gun out from under your nose ...

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:45 PM

3. Thanks to the mass hysteria created by the RW Media Hatemongers.





And the arms and ammo mfgrs love the likes of OxyRush and BecKKK et al.


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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:45 PM

4. Welcome to Idiocracy. nt

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:46 PM

5. The arms industry is laughing all the way to the bank.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:04 PM

6. Aren't background checks a good thing?

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:06 PM

7. ain't that america.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:39 PM

8. Meanwhile, the gun nuts are having uncontrollable orgasms.

It's like Viagra for the feeble-minded.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:03 PM

10. Gee, I must have missed something great. ...

I've enjoyed shooting firearms on a regular basis for over 40 years and have never had an orgasm while handling one. There must be something seriously wrong with me.

Fortunately at my age of 66 I still have no reason to use Viagra.

I also find it strange that I have an average sized penis as i have often read statements by some very intelligent people that male gun owners suffer from penis inferiority complex.

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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:10 PM

11. Forget it - just more hate speech from the peanut gallery

They can go on hatin'. We'll just take their names down in case they try to play dumb later.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:56 PM

12. The Flowers & their Talking Points

 

> We'll just take their names down in case they try to play dumb later.

You mean like how Delicate Flowers will have one of their NRA-approved Talking Points rebutted on a thread, disappear, and then post the same Talking Point on another thread later on?

Yep, I know what you mean! That happens so often on DU it makes me vomit.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:16 PM

25. I suspect that you label any fact or statistic that disproves your view that all firearms ...

are evil as an "NRA talking point."

It doesn't matter what the source is.

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Response to spin (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:14 AM

47. And right out of the Brady Campaign playbook, too

Make no mistake - the talking points I'm seeing on DU are being orchestrated by the luminaries of the gun-control movement. And a lot of DUers are falling for it hook, line, and sinker, not fully aware of what they're buying into. It's very sad.

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Response to spin (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:25 PM

50. LOL

 

You just posted a meta-NRA Talking Point.

Congrats on your doggish obedience to Wayne LaTerrorist.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:37 PM

51. For some reason you reminded me of Galileo Galilei's struggle with the Catholic Church. ...

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2007

1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642

In 1610, Century Italian astronomer/mathematician/inventor Galileo Galilei used a a telescope he built to observe the solar system, and deduced that the planets orbit the sun, not the earth.

This contradicted Church teachings, and some of the clergy accused Galileo of heresy. One friar went to the Inquisition, the Church court that investigated charges of heresy, and formally accused Galileo. (In 1600, a man named Giordano Bruno was convicted of being a heretic for believing that the earth moved around the Sun, and that there were many planets throughout the universe where life existed. Bruno was burnt to death.)

Galileo moved on to other projects. He started writing about ocean tides, but instead of writing a scientific paper, he found it much more interesting to have an imaginary conversation among three fictional characters. One character, who would support Galileo's side of the argument, was brilliant. Another character would be open to either side of the argument. The final character, named Simplicio, was dogmatic and foolish, representing all of Galileo's enemies who ignored any evidence that Galileo was right. Soon, Galileo wrote up a similar dialogue called "Dialogue on the Two Great Systems of the World." This book talked about the Copernican system. ...emphasis added

***snip***

The Church eventually lifted the ban on Galileo's Dialogue in 1822, when it was common knowledge that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Still later, there were statements by the Vatican Council in the early 1960's and in 1979 that implied that Galileo was pardoned, and that he had suffered at the hands of the Church. Finally, in 1992, three years after Galileo Galilei's namesake spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing.
http://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/09/1992-catholic-church-apologizes-to.html?m=1


Now admittedly the NRA does publish false or misleading propaganda and so do the VPC and the Brady Campaign. Obviously some people will chose to accept the NRA view or the Brady view without question. Such people remind my of Galileo's character Simplicio.

I try to open to all sides of an discussion that I have an interest in. I am willing to take the time to do my own research. While both sides of the gun control debate have excellent points to make to support their view, I personally feel the stronger position is with those who support gun rights. I often look at facts and statistics published by the FBI and the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics and use those in my posts to backup my argument. Often they have been labeled as "NRA talking points" by some Simplicos on the gun control side.

Now perhaps I am wrong and the long tentacles of the NRA of the NRA have reached into the NRA and the DOJ and caused false statistics to be published. Somehow I doubt this.

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Response to spin (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:00 PM

58. Equivalency

 

> Now admittedly the NRA does publish false or misleading propaganda and so do the VPC and the Brady Campaign.

Let's see. When the NRA publishes false info, it arguably helps kill more people. When the others you mentioned do, it arguably saves lives.

False Equivalency at its finest!




> Now perhaps I am wrong and the long tentacles of the NRA of the NRA have reached into the NRA and the DOJ and caused false statistics to be published. Somehow I doubt this.

Somehow I doubt you've thought much about it, since it is the interpretation of the stats - the spin of the NRA - that is in question.

I bet you study the pesky fact that almost all nations having strict gun control have negligible deaths due to them. I bet you study it a lot.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:24 PM

60. False information from both sides might cause deaths. ...

The NRA might convince someone to buy a firearm and since they lack proper training they might have a tragic accident. On the other hand the Brady campaign might convince a person that a firearm is useless for home defense and they might be a victim of a violent home invasion that they could have successfully stopped by merely pointing a firearm at the intruders.

You state:


I bet you study the pesky fact that almost all nations having strict gun control have negligible deaths due to them. I bet you study it a lot.


Many of those nations limit firearm ownership to a very few privileged individuals. There are very few firearms in such nations so it is not at all unusual that firearms cause few deaths. There are often significant cultural differences between these nations and the United States.

Now perhaps you advocate that we should have similar laws to those nations. This is a debatable point and there is at least some possibility that you might be right. The problem is that passing such laws in our nation is currently politically impossible and will be for the foreseeable future. Obama had an uphill battle convincing Congress to pass Obama care despite the fact that Democrats controlled both houses. Any truly draconian gun law would never pass in today's Republican ruled House of Representatives and would have a difficult time passing in the Senate. Like it or not the fact is that many elected Democrats are fairly pro-gun and/or come from Red states. They would never vote for European style gun control.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:23 PM

15. It has amazed me recently just how often responsible gun owners have been insulted ...

here on DU.

Years ago I used to post on more conservative forums in order to discuss firearms and shooting. While I do enjoy target shooting and own a small collection of mainly handguns I am a Democrat and a liberal. What distressed me and caused me to stop posting on these forums was all the hatred toward Democrats and liberals. Now I see MANY supposedly intelligent liberals here on one of the more open minded forums on the net proving that they are as closed minded as members of conservative forums. Is there any hope for our nation if all we can do is call each other names?

It is my opinion that if both sides of the very important issue of gun control in our nation continue to sneer at each other we will make little or no progress on solving the gun violence problem. It's a lot of fun for some but is hardly productive but is instead counterproductive.

Fortunately I have a thick skin and the insults directly toward me merely bounce off. For example I don't really mind being called "feeble minded" merely because I own firearms and enjoy shooting. It is at least a somewhat original insult. However I will never trade insult for insult as I feel that that would show that I either lacked intelligence or failed to truly appreciate the level of education that I was lucky enough to receive.

I feel we can make significant headway in improving our gun control laws but first it is absolutely essential that we both sides of the issue treat each other with a minimum of respect.





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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:24 PM

16. Yet, you strap one on to venture out into public.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:12 PM

23. Actually i never strap one on. ...

I just drop my very light .38 caliber snub nosed revolver into my pants pocket on the way out the door. "Strapping a firearm on" is largely a pain in the ass.

If I was as paranoid as you suggest I would carry one of my Colt .45 ACP pistols in an inside the waist band holster under a shirt, a light jacket or a vest. Such a weapon would be FAR more effective at stopping an attack from a person who intended to put me in a hospital or six feet under than my snubbie.

I never hope or expect that I will have a legitimate reason to use my weapon. I practice situation awareness to avoid such an attack as the best way to avoid injury in a fight is to not be in one. That merely means that I don't walk down a dark street with a cell phone glued to my ear but am instead reasonably alert to my surroundings.

I went through the process of obtaining a carry permit in order to be able to carry a handgun legally. Why go through the expense and the time to do so if all I wished to do was the brag about the fact that I had a concealed carry permit? That would be simply a waste of money and time.

Perhaps the main reason that I carry is the fact that I might not be replying to your post if my mother had not been carrying a concealed revolver in her purse. In the 1920s she left a bus to walk home after work and was attacked by a man who had been hiding behind some bushes. She was a very attractive and beautiful woman at that time and the man undoubtedly intended to rape her. Fortunately she had her hand on the gun in her purse, drew it and fired two shots over his head. He ran. (She was an excellent shot with a handgun and perhaps she should have shot him but hopefully he learned a valuable lesson.)

She kept that handgun which was a S&W LadySmith .22 cal revolver and of course as I child I found it hidden in a drawer. Fortunately my father had removed the firing pin. While my father had experience with handguns and carried one as as a civilian investigator for Naval Intelligence during WWII, he seen little need for a firearm in the home as we lived in a peaceful rural area of northern Ohio at the time.

I should add that I have always enjoyed replying to your post despite the fact that you are often insulting. I find it sad that your are blocked from posting in the gungeon.





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Response to spin (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:39 PM

26. Spin, I had similar upbringing. But times have really changed, perhaps it's tine

to hang them up. Also remember, so-called "responsible gun owners" leave loaded guns around too often (with firing pins).

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:44 PM

53. I will agree that violent crime has decreased to levels last seen in the late 60s. ...

Unfortunately we do not yet live in a crime free utopia.

Under my definition a "responsible gun owner" makes sure his firearms are properly secured.

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Response to spin (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:50 PM

54. Sadly, time after time, those you deem "responsible" become irresponsible.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:57 PM

56. When you are dealing with any sample group of 80,000,000 people you will ...

have some who do stupid things.

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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:24 PM

40. I do get a tiny shiver ...

 

... when I fire a well-placed round.

But, I would hardly call it an orgasm.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:55 PM

55. I am still trying to get the "perfect target" ...

10 rounds in the 10 ring using a handgun offhand at 25 yards. If I ever achieve that goal I will frame the target.

That feat would not give my an orgasm but I would be very happy.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:59 PM

13. Wow, what a intelligent response! I learned a lot from it! n-t

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:53 PM

17. Oh happy happy joy joy.....

I fully expect to, in the next 5 years, know someone personally, who will be shot and killed by one of these yahoos thinking they can save lives by taking a life. One missed shot, one ricochet, and it will be too late.

And at that point, I will expect the law to treat him or her the same as a shooter with bad intent.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:58 PM

18. Frontlash.

 

Yep.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:00 PM

19. Congratulations, grab nuts.

 

You just kicked another couple of million guns into circulation with your LOUD NOISES (thanks, Brick Tamland) over gun control. The firearms industry appreciates your efforts on their behalf.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:53 PM

29. Gun as a Christmas Present

that was supposed to be my "Christmas gift" the first year we moved to Gun Happy Florida. I told him I would rather have a vaccum cleaner than a gun. Didn't want EITHER but at least I would use the vac. lol

I really HATE the idea that guns can be given as gifts in Florida with no checks at all on the recipients.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:40 PM

34. different courses for different horses and all that

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:15 PM

24. yep its a pain in the butt i cant find glock magazines locally anywhere

 

Also was going to get a new carbine for christmas but with the price increases and lack of inventory im going to wait a while.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:42 PM

27. picked up an Colt M4 carbine, I was one of those checks

got very lucky and got the last one at a good price too. 20 round magazines and ammo another matter. do not care for the 30 round magazines. Rifle was designed for 20 round and that is what I use.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:46 PM

28. Anything more than 20 screws up the weight, at least for me

For that matter I don't know how much resistance there really would be against banning larger magazines than that. Does anybody actually use them?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:10 AM

44. The only reason I've ever considered buying a 20+ rd mag

is to thumb my nose at our state capacity restriction. It prohibits us from manufacturing, selling, offering for sale, purchasing, receiving, or transferring a 20+ magazine, but it doesn't prohibit possession if you buy it out of state. If it weren't for the partial ban, I'd have zero interest. My Beretta was built to accommodate 17, so 17 works for me.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:46 AM

46. Does MD still ban clove cigarettes?

Along those lines, I remember smoking cloves back in college, not because I liked them but because MD said I couldn't have them.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:45 AM

48. Apparently so!

2010 Maryland Code
CRIMINAL LAW
TITLE 10 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, CONDUCT, AND SENSIBILITIES
Subtitle 1 - Crimes Against Public Health and Safety
Section 10-106 - Sale of clove cigarettes.

§ 10-106. Sale of clove cigarettes.


(a) Prohibited.- A person may not sell or offer for sale a clove cigarette.

(b) Penalty.- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to a fine of $500.




It is also illegal to run a bungee jumping operation, or to give or receive oral sex, and adultery is punishable by a ten dollar fine. Also noteworthy, you can spend three years in prison for lying about a horse's name.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:58 AM

49. Ooh! I know why that last one is there

It goes back to the Camptown racetracks in Parole, MD (until very recently the sad mall on West Street in Annapolis with the Sears sign lamely asserting "WE ARE STILL OPEN", now a posh condo highrise). A guy raced a ringer (IIRC, the actual Stewball) but entered it under a new name to increase his odds. People were pissed, and since that was the track the state legislature bet at, they outlawed it.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:36 PM

33. i personally prefer thirty round mags. i can usually count the rounds and thirty is the number that

 

Sticks

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:55 PM

42. Check out the price of .223 or 5.56 ammo , some places are asking $900 for 1k rounds

 

and people are paying it.

Panic buying at it's worse.

I'm glad I load my own.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:31 PM

30. Why... it's enough to give a Bradyite a bug-eyed brain aneurysm!

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:32 PM

31. Every time there's a gun massacre, there's a run on guns

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:35 PM

32. Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz

and more gunzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, gotta buy some more gunzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz befores the Prezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz takes them all aways from usins...........


Too stupid to figure out the hold the gun industry has on them.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:16 PM

59. What's the matter, don't you support your fellow UAW members?

http://www.uaw.org/page/where-we-work

In manufacturing, UAW members produce well-known consumer products including Kohler bathroom fixtures, Lennox home furnaces and air conditioners, Miller beers, Colt firearms, Master Loc locks, Land O' Lakes butter, Folger's coffee, Libby's and Crosse & Blackwell canned foods, and Planter's nuts.



http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRifles/ColtMatchTarget.aspx

Colt Match Target® Rifles

Colt’s Match Target® line of rifles is a direct descendant of the original Colt M16 supplied to the U.S. Armed Forces decades ago. Available with many different options, there is one that is perfect for any shooting need. From the 24” full floating stainless steel barrel on the CR6724 to the 16.1” chrome lined government profile barrel on the MT6400R, each rifle comes standard with a flat top receiver which allows for mounting an optic to match the shooting conditions. Their unmatched accuracy, performance and durability make Colt Match Target rifles the favorite of hunters, plinkers and competitive shooters everywhere.


http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols.aspx


Be sure and keep us informed how your effort to expel Colt workers from the UAW goes, eh?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:06 PM

65. God you really are grasping at straws, er barrels aren't you?

Go count your bullets. I'm sure there's someone here that will help you fantasize about a Government takeover...

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:42 PM

35. Nice thread. Turned in to gun porn.

In GD no less.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:58 PM

57. Until gun threads are forced back into RKBA

what do you expect?

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:39 PM

52. And we will have record sales again

after the next mass shooting and the next, and the next, and the next.

Since there is a sense of THEY ARE GONNA TAKE MY PRECIOUS AWAY!!!! that is quite insidious, and false

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:41 PM

62. 20 million guns sold in 2012 alone

On top of the estimated 250-300 million guns already in circulation.

Yet I still hear from fellow DU'ers that gun ownership is declining, that there aren't enough gun owners to make life painful for the Democrats if they propose new gun laws, how we would never have a repeat of 1994's horrible election cycle again, how the NRA is DOA, etc.

My hunch is that gun ownership, on both the right AND the left, is much higher than we've given credit for.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:51 PM

64. this whole country has gone mad

 

the solution to the issue of tragedies like school shootings is LESS guns, not MORE.

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