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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:41 PM

Grover Norquist

well folks, expect to see his smug face all over the tv machine for a day or two. He needs to convince his pledge takers that he still can deploy forces against them if they do not do what he wants them to do. Like the NRA he can. He can put in thousands of dollars into a primary, so realize this. That is where his power comes from.

But expect him to continue this, as he is making lemonade of the lemons he has been forced to take, and right at the moment he needs to convince those pledge signers that they did no wrong, but that he can still come after them

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nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #1
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ewagner Jan 2013 #6
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #28
Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #4
meow2u3 Jan 2013 #18
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #5
Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #12
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #14
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BlueStreak Jan 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17
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BlueStreak Jan 2013 #26
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

1. Trying desperately to cling to whatever relevance

he might once have had.

A bunch of 'baggers violated the pledge, and he can do nothing in retaliation, which suddenly makes him appear powerless, so he has to move the line in the sand & pretend that they didn't cross it.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:50 PM

3. Exactly, but right now he is making lemonade

I wish the media stopped playing this pretend balance game, there is no balance, but that is another story.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:07 PM

6. Could it be.....

that the baggers suddenly realized "the Emperor has no clothes"?????

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Response to ewagner (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:58 PM

28. More like

"The clothes have no Emperor."

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:49 PM

2. Naw...like someone else said

he moved the line in the sand because everyone knows he doesn't have enough muster to do anything. If it was a few Republicans here and there...sure...but half of the entire Republican party decide to drop a deuce in the middle of his sun bathing session.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:52 PM

4. Yup, he is making lemonade

right at the moment

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:23 PM

18. And replacing the sugar with antifreeze

to poison us.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:06 PM

5. Are you kidding? Norquist WON this thing.

Do you know what "starve the beast" means?

The Bush tax cuts were passed under reconciliation rules (i.e. simple majority in the Senate.) Reconciliation rules required the tax cuts to be temporary -- no more than 10 years.

There were a few other details in the bill that just passed, but the main thing is that Obama just gave Norquist the best present ever. Obama took the TEMPORARY bush cuts and made about 99% of them PERMANENT.

This locks us into a structural deficit for the next generation, and that means the "Starve the Beast" strategy has never been stronger.

About half the people at DU understand what happened. The other have are too busy spiking the ball to realize how hosed we are for the next generation.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:23 PM

11. The top 2% will be taxed more (Grover's biggest donors)

payroll tax holiday is expiring. So your only quibble remaining is the rest of the tax cuts, which under better economic conditions, can be peeled away. Not right now...

If you can't see that gradual progress that is fine.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:27 PM

12. You do realize that in DC there is nothing permanent right?

and I mean that.

This said, no, we were not hosed... at all... but you keep telling yourself that.

He lost for his major donors, and I mean that. He also got a TAX INCREASE, which goes against the pledge.

Now if you think anything is permanent in DC, the only permanent thing in DC is that if you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.

And yes, I have read the bill, all 150+ pages of it before you say it

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:01 PM

14. It is "permanent" for at least a decade

There will be no significant revenue increases unless we can take over the House.

Most people think this is impossible under the current state of the districts. It takes 10 years to change that. The next real opportunity is 2022, and in order to do that, we have to control enough of the Governorships and state legislatures BEFORE the 2020 census.

As soon as you explain how that is going to happen, I will concede you know what you are talking about when you say "nothing is permanent".

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:02 PM

15. You said it yourself

regardless, if you think anything is permanent, proceed. Please, do proceed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:06 PM

16. It isn't about me. It is about Norquist. Anybody who thinks his role is diminished

does not understand who he is, what he does, and what the big game plan is. Obama gave him essentially everything he could have dreamed of. Obama did what Bush could not -- making those reckless tax cuts PERMANENT, locking us into "starve the beast" mode for the next generation at least.

What is done is now done. We will regret it.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:10 PM

17. Oh I know exactly who he is

did you miss the non use of the Hastert rule last night? That was the FIRST TIME in a long time it was not used.

tomorrow we will know more of where the current GOP civil war is at.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:25 PM

19. Yes. That was a good thing, but it will not happen again

in the next term, I predict. Boehner did it because he had no alternative. And tactically it was the best option. The teabaggers needed to vote against anything that Obama was for, but Boehner could not take the heat of letting this slip into the next Congress. And you can bet that behind the scenes, Norquist was very clear this deal had to go through quickly before the terms changed.

Again, the big GOP strategy is "starve the beast" Everything else is secondary. And this deal gave Norquist exactly what he wanted: a non-expiring (if you don't like the word "permanent") tax cut that locks us into "starve the beast" mode for a generation.

It never has to come up for another vote.

Seriously people, if you gave Norquist his choice between the Bush plan, which was only good for 10 years and the Obama plan, which has 98% of those same cuts and never expires, it is obvious that Norquist would take the Obama plan in a heartbeat.

Anybody (not addressing anybody in particular) who does not understand that really should spend less time spiking the football and more time studying the recent history of American politics.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:33 PM

20. Seriously I do this as a job

political reporting... and I do not think this is as dark as you make it out to be.

For one, I believe that the economy is indeed getting better and that will help on the revenue side... but hey, the world is over, and Grover won.



I mean things are bad and just gonna get worst.

I suspect that we will see the Hastert Rule suspension a little more often now... but that is my opinion and I hope I am right.

Time, as they say, will tell.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:49 PM

21. If you are a professional reporter, then I am sure you must understand revenue as a % of GDP

And if you understand that, then you will know that there is not any reasonable amount of growth that will close that structural deficit. That is the whole point of CREATING the structural deficit. The GOP does that on purpose. That is the "starve the beast" strategy.

You act like I am making this up. And you also act like you are not familiar with the basics of government finance. So I hope your area of expertise is some other part of the political scene. But you could gain an understanding of the broad landscape by studying the Simpson-Bowles report. There is must to dislike in that report, but they are rather objective about the description of the problem.

It is like drug addition recovery. The first step is in admitting there is a problem.

I am not interested in debating this. Come back in 4 years and tell me if I am wrong. Actually, you won't have to wait that long. You will see several episodes of "starve the beast" in 2013.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:04 PM

23. I know what they have been at since 1980...at least

I guess I don't see all as black as you do.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:30 PM

26. If you show me how we get control of the House before more damage is done, I'll be a lot more

receptive to that argument.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:56 PM

27. I don't think I can

Because quite frankly you are of one mind. This was horrible, a defeat, the sure victory for Grover Norquist. We disagree at the premise level. I don't think it was a victory.

This is why he is trying hard to make lemonade out of lemons.

So when we do not see eye to eye at the premise level, there is no more to say.

I see the word in shades of gray, not black and white.

Oh and the damage was done over the last 10 years already.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:11 PM

24. !!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:09 PM

7. nice to see norquist and the nra dancing the same dance at the same time

two big republican forces being forced to tapdance for their money this week.

I'm hoping to see some weapons bills pass in all this. Obama is not one to miss an opportunity.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:17 PM

8. Norquist is a poopy head!

YEp, Norquist is a poopy head!

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:32 PM

13. Actually he is a...

big fat poopy head!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:21 PM

9. Please proceed, Grover.

Go right ahead and get those teahadists lined up to win those primaries.

Their popularity is in free-fall, even in many red states.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:22 PM

10. Grover Who? n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:02 PM

22. Do you have your full 2013 prediction list out yet?

Any trends we should look out for? Pending rubicons about to be crossed? Things the scales on my eyes are preventing me from seeing?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:14 PM

25. i just saw footage of him with andrea mitchell saying this wasn't a tax raise...

they voted to lower taxes since all taxes went up at midnight 12/31

even andrea mitchell had to call him on it.....unbelievable

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