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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:28 PM

Saudi religous leader calls for the gang rape of Syrian women

A prominent Saudi cleric has issued a fatwa (a religious ordinance) that calls for the gang rape of Syrian women. Expressing frustration that the “warriors of Islam” fighting in Syria may be getting weary for the lack of sexual pleasure, the religious leader issued a decree that promotes hours-long “intercourse marriages.”

The cleric, Muhammed al-Arifi, who is a leading jihadist religious figure, made it clear that his edict called for the gang rape of Syrian women and girls. He specified that the “intercourse marriages” last only a few hours “in order to give each fighter a turn.” As to who is an eligible bride, the cleric approves any girls or women over the age of 14 who are widowed or divorced. Yes, you read that right. Any girls over the age of 14.

Muhammed al-Arifi has come under fire for advocating for violence against women in the past. A few weeks ago, he was banned from entering Switzerland or participating in the Swiss Central Islamic Council .


Saudi Arabia has been influencing and funding the Syrian revolution for nearly a year now—although this fatwa is the first explicit time that rape as a tool of war has been proposed as part of the opposition’s military strategy. Since at least April 2, 2012, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been paying salaries to the Syrian forces fighting against President Bashar al-Assad and his army. Saudi Arabia has also been sending weapons, including portable anti-aircraft missiles, to the Free Syrian Army.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/02/saudi_religious_leader_calls_for_gang_rape_of_syrian_women/

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:30 PM

1. damn, there are men that are so fuckin sick. and really, who the fuck has the audacity to tell

women to lighten up at this time.

fuck fuck fuck

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:03 PM

22. Well, one of 'em downthread is already whining about reverse sexism...

Scroll down and you'll see what I mean. I bet he thought it was an empty threat when I said I was going to report him to you.

They are SOOO damn predictable! Feel free to eat him for lunch if you want (not that you need my permission). I'm gonna go check out the link in the OP now.

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Response to Raksha (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:05 PM

23. i really really REALLY did not think ANYONE would be so fuckin..... fill in the blank. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:12 PM

25. Ummmm...insensitive? Dense? Stupid?

The list of possibilities looks pretty open-ended from here.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:34 PM

2. Disgusting

This is sickening. You cannot even call them animals, because animals wouldn't do this. This guy shouldn't be allowed to live on.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:42 PM

5. You obviously haven't dealt with a female dog in heat

However, point well taken.

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Response to TrogL (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:44 AM

91. Actually the Dogs seem quite tame in their instinctual responses

After watching a few nature type documentaries over New Years Day, complete genocide of one side of the sexual gender is a possibility and happens. We should all get a grip on ourselves and realize we are not that far removed from where we emerged from.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:39 PM

3. I am so glad we have such noble allies in our fight against evil dictators.

It's the humanitarian thing to do.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:41 PM

4. how many men are gonna get off on their gang rape porn? how many people are gonna turn on their HBO

series and get off on the rape that the consistently and readily show for entertainment for all.

you THINK it is just other countries.

just evo behavior, fuckin rapin.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

7. As one who has HBO I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I agree there are sick fucks everywhere however.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:34 PM

10. some also forget that monster-ism comes in a female flavor also - but to some, all men all bad all

the time hence the popularity of the lifetime movie channel.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:58 PM

19. Sure enough...it was just a matter of time before some male crybaby

started whining about reverse sexism even on THIS thread!

That does it - I'm gonna report you to seabeyond!

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Response to Raksha (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:00 PM

20. i needed you...

i am shaking... lol.

outta here.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:06 PM

24. There's always at least one on every rape thread.

Thought maybe if I spoke up fast enough, I could keep the thread from getting hijacked.

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Response to Raksha (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:46 PM

43. Too late. Seabeyond already hijacked it with her off-topic gang-rape porn comment.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:46 PM

14. I don't believe you can point to any religious leaders or other public figures calling for gang rape

...here in the US. If someone were to make such a pronouncement in the US, we'd have his head on a platter within a single news cycle. So no, as much as we still need to progress with women's rights in this country, there's absolutely no sane equivalency that can be made between Saudi Arabia and the US when it comes to the rights of women.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:55 PM

16. well, there you go. everything... is all better.

you THINK it is ONLY this man calling for the gang rape of women in a country cause the men are oh so horney and arent fighting hard enough? think it might be the gang rape to death in india and all the other gang rapes. solution? tell the girls no skirts or cell phones. that will show the damn rapists. oh... and how about a gang rape on FB. and the men tell me on du not to be concerned. really, just gang rape simulation for men to get off on. oh, and the men raping are fuzzed out and there is not one damn thing to indicate it is simulated for mens entertainment.... unless after 8 minutes it is the GIRL curling up in fetal position.....

ya

all better.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:29 PM

30. You're difficult to communicate with

No, I don't believe gang rape is limited to Saudi Arabia. It even happens here in the US, but it does not happen under the auspices of any governmental or religious organization I know of, because if it did, we would not stand for it. In the US, gang rape is committed by criminals, and when we find them, we put them in prison where they belong. We do not celebrate these criminals; we jail them. In the US, we don't call for women to give up cell phones or wear burquas as a way to prevent rape.

The India gang rape happened in.....wait for it.......India (not a part of the United States).

There are no public figures in the United States calling for the gang rape of women. If you have information to indicate otherwise, you'd do well to post it.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:36 PM

32. we celebrate gang rape and rape as we are appalled. TOO big of an issue to dismiss with oh, well,

religion. saudi arabia.

the vast majority of rape is not reported. the vast majority of rape reported are not prosecuted. the vast majority of rape prosecuted are not convicted. and the vast of the majority convicted do not spend time in jail, or not a significant amount of time.

a party that tells girls some rape easy, gods will, body shut down.

a nation that makes excuses and blames

a people that uses it as entertainment.

i am so thrilled, we have the moral high ground on rape.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:39 PM

34. You can continue to think that we're as bad as Saudi Arabia w/respect to women's rights

That's not the case, of course, but you're going to think whatever you're going to think.
Have a good day.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:41 PM

35. please, point out where i said we "were as bad" as saudi arabia. but....

the point i did make, and repeatedly made and will continue to make is ...

ignored.

because as a people we do not want to look too closely.

we might have to own it.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:49 PM

37. believe me, I've tried to make sense of your words, and I'm having a hard time

You tried to make an equivalency between the US and Saudi Arabia vis-a-vis gang rape. Now you're saying you didn't say that, but that whatever it was you did say was ignored, and now we might have to "own it" (which sounds to me like more blaming the US for the ravings of a psychotic Saudi cleric, but again, I really cannot understand you). The only part of your statement I "ignored" was the thing about Facebook, because I have no idea what you're talking about--presumably some sort of gang rape that was live-broadcast on Facebook.

Just exactly what is the point that you've repeatedly made and will continue to make that is nonetheless ignored? Please be specific and clear, as I would like to be able to understand what you're talking about. Thank you.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:56 PM

39. i did not say it is "just as bad". i said... it is not only about saudi arabia.

this is a much BIGGER issue than saudi arabia. religion.

and i gave you many instances WHY it is not all about saudi arabia. and we should not feel all comfortable that it is the horrible religious all the way across the world. that is just simply NOT good enough.

now, i am walking away from this thread.

it literally sickens me.



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Response to seabeyond (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:19 PM

42. OK, I get that. Thanks for the clarification.

I really am glad you clarified that, because I didn't understand what you were trying to say. Now that I know with certainty, I'll agree with you (as I did in my first post) that we still have a long way to go in this country. I'll also explicitly state that I'm glad we're nowhere near as bad as Saudi Arabia and other middle-eastern countries run by fundamentalist religious types.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:03 PM

72. well, consider this

That clerics are the law in saudi...THE LAW. So this might as well have been a legal order.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #72)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:05 PM

73. i get the significance. nt

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:09 PM

44. Hey!! Look over there!!!

 

Some (brown-skinned) psycho is talking crazy shit about women and their role in society. Thank God that shit doesn't happen over here and psycho misogynists like Larry Flynt are thoroughly and righteously demonized and cast out of our oh-so-egalitarian society.

Maybe do a little internetting and look up Jake Baker in Ann Arbor (or countless other cases) and see just how harshly western society condemns sexual violence toward women.

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Response to zaireeka (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:30 PM

104. Larry Flynt advocates rape?

Not that I know of, but I think what people are reacting to so strongly is that this has both legal and religious standing.

And yes, the U.S treats sexual violence toward women far more harshly than Saudi Arabia.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

6. Sure, "intercourse marriages". That's all it is. They're just getting "married", briefly,

whether the woman wants to be "married" or not. I guess a woman can be "married" and "remarried" multiple times a day. I'm sure Syrian and Muslim society will look with kindness and understanding upon these "frequently married" women, too.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

8. This is perhaps one of the most disgusting things I have read in a long time.

I cannot believe how barbaric people can be. And all in the name of their god.

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Response to Not Me (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:48 PM

9. "I cannot believe how barbaric people can be." MEN. not people. MEN. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:38 PM

11. that's right men are not people. and women are all angels. misogynist

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:56 PM

17. point me to groups of roving women with metal pipes shoving it up mens ass's to death.... nt

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:26 PM

29. if you are going to call people names

be precise. I believe you mean misandrist.

You, on the other hand, seem to be the misogynist.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:03 PM

41. Oh, come on.

She didn't mean that men aren't people, she simply meant that not all people are participating in this type of behavior - and those people are women (and many men).

I got her meaning. You're just attempting to stir shit.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:54 AM

98. I think you mean, "misandrist," though I think it's a bogus term.

"Misogynist" refers explicitly to the hatred of women. At least get a dictionary before you start trolling rape threads.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:17 PM

27. I find your reply very insulting.

As a (gay) man, I have been a lifelong supporter of women's rights.
Your response is a real slap in the face.

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Response to Not Me (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:37 PM

33. i am sorry it feels like a slap. i hope you continue to support women rights even though you feel i

insulted you personally.

now, tell me how i am factually incorrect?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:26 PM

46. It is analogous to commenting on B'more gang violence:

"I cannot believe how barbaric BLACKS (not people) can be."

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:04 PM

48. tell me how i am factually incorrect?

you did not answer the question.

but, i will tell you how you are NOT factually correct. i can find white gangs, asian gangs, latino gangs and many other cultural gangs. that proves that you are nOT factually correct.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:33 PM

49. You don't need to be factually incorrect to be demeaning,

and my analogy is not incorrect. "I cannot believe how barbaric BLACKS (not people) can be" is not a statement that only blacks can be barbaric, but a statement (like yours) highlighting the capacity of a group to be barbaric. It's not insulting by virtue of being a false statement, but because it implies that, from birth, I am in a morally inferior class. It says that, no matter what I do individually, you are going to place me in this inferior group and associate me with the worst acts you can find, solely because I'm a man.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:40 PM

50. we are talking about fucking gang rape. they said person. it is MEN. really so tough to be an

itsy bit honest on the issue? women are being fuckin gang raped, and you cannot handle the fact the word MEN is used opposed to people to cushion YOUR sensitivity?

really?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:57 AM

84. 6-0 Leave.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:42 PM

51. you think it is demeaning for a person to say MEN gang rape, how fuckin demeaning is it to be raped?

gang raped?

and this is what is DEMEANING to YOU.

that is sick.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:44 PM

52. Neat

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:50 PM

54. i truly am totally baffled. call for gang rape of women, a couple men are upset that the word man

is used instead of people. that you would dare suggest that it is "demeaning" to men, when we are talking about a MAN, telling MEN, to gang rape women.

and you tell me that is demeaning for you.

baffled. flabbergasted. and yes, even outraged.

and your answer is.... neat.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:57 PM

57. Why bother?

You hated me when I was born, so why waste my time?

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:01 PM

58. you cant because you know how incredibly stupid it is to say it is demeaning to men, talking gang

rape of women.

you say something incredibly stupid that you cannot back pedal from. and instead of admitting and saying what a fuck up statement that was... you blame me.

almost as bad as saying it is demeaning to use the word man.... when we are talking about women being gang raped.

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Response to Not Me (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:02 PM

59. Unfortunately, certain posters always seem to boil these issues down to men vs. women

It's offensive, unproductive and divisive.

Regardless of factual accuracy, it's usually several degrees off-topic and keeps the focus away from the specific issue at hand.

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Response to Last Stand (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:11 PM

61. yes, when discussing a man telling men to gang rape women it is important to be sensitive to men.

amazing.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:17 PM

64. You are offending the men here who are on YOUR side of this very issue.

It's not only unnecessary, but it actually works against the process of cultivating sensitivity to these issues by all people. Is that what you want?

I think you would be served better by directing your anger at the offenders themselves and not those who object to their behavior.

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Response to Last Stand (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:19 PM

65. i cannot help that the men in this subthread prefer PEOPLE to MEN when referring to men gang raping

women.

i do not understand and get why you feel you sensitivity outweighs women being raped.

and it is beyond me how a man can say it would effect their belief of how wrong gang rape is, because i insist on saying it is men, not people gang raping women.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:30 PM

68. I asserted none of that. None.

I hope that someday you don't have to carry so much anger.

I wish you Peace.

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Response to Last Stand (Reply #68)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:35 PM

69. a little dance and a wave goodbye.

of course you did.

but, declaring gang rape on a nation of women? i would hope we would ALL carry so much anger.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:50 PM

70. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here, anyway?

All I see it doing is creating a defensive reaction from men who feel you are trying to lump all of us in with a monstrous imam. It doesn't create additional awareness of anything besides the hatred that's eating you up, it doesn't protect Syrian women, it doesn't bring condemnation on the imam...it just makes you look petty and spiteful.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #70)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:52 PM

71. by my using the word man/men discussing a man calling for men to rape, WHY would you

feel defensive?

i would like you to be honest.

it doesnt hurt. as a matter of fact, it is way less painful to be honest than to try and defend THIS, that is being defended by a couple men, in the most absurd manner, talking about being demeaned, because i insist, no, demand the right to say men, when talking about MEN.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:21 PM

76. Oh, you've got the right, no doubt about that.

But the thing is that your "not people" post doesn't appear to have any purpose other than expressing hatred for men and making you look like a fool. It doesn't communicate anything new. You can say "it's factually accurate, so it can't be wrong," but that just falls flat to me. It's like commenting on the Catholic church abuse scandals and focusing with laser intensity on the fact that it's almost(?) entirely homosexual abuse. Does that make it worthwhile to say "we need to stop these GAYS from abusing children?" Would you expect a gay person to smile and go along with that? I hope not, because a statement like that implies that gays (ALL GAYS) are an inferior class that needs to be controlled and restrained by their betters.

And no, you don't need to say "ALL MEN" or "ALL GAYS" to make these insulting suggestions. You might as well say "well, you know, when I said Jews are the problem with America, I didn't mean you, SPECIFICALLY."


And no, being annoyed with your posts does not equal support for gang rape. It is absurd of you to claim that there's any connection at all between approval of your posts and approval of gang rape. Words on an internet forum are nothing compared to the atrocity of sexual violence by soldiers.

Christ, I'll have to amend that, too, won't I, or else you'll scream that I condone sexual violence by anybody who isn't a soldier. Sexual violence is an outrage, period. Organized, deliberate sexual violence by soldiers is a particularly heinous and brutal crime against a nation.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:17 AM

79. lets look at something that is exclusively women. that was a hard one to come up with because as

human we are about equal, especially now that women have freedom and independence. so about the only proper example i could come up with is getting preg/having a baby.

gang rape is about exclusively men. i have never heard of women gang raping men. rape, which is generally statutory has women at 1.27% i believe is the number i read so men with rape is 98%. rape is almost always men.

so back to the example with women. we say... women have babies.

we do not say people have babies.

anyone would call it out and say.... people dont have babies, women do.

it does not mean EVERY woman has babies. for all kinds of reasons.

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NO WHERE did i say or even suggest that you " support for gang rape". made up, do NOT give that to me anymore than saying i suggest ALL men gang rape. you all have got to argue on what is actually said instead of making up arguments i did not say. that is wrong.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:51 AM

83. Post 65,

where you accuse Last Stand of letting his sensitivity outweigh the crime of rape and of wavering in his belief that gang rape is bad, both of which are false, bigoted accusations.

Like I said before, you don't need to specifically say the words "all" or "every" to insinuate that you believe a particular class is inferior. Would you insist on referring to "GAYS, not people" perpetrating the Catholic church sex abuse scandal? Do you think this would not be an aggressive and hurtful thing to say?

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:20 AM

85. he said it was insensitive i use men and not people. when talking about declaring gang rape on women

i felt it beyond odd that we are concerned with men sensitivity in the light of gang rape of women. you may disagree. that is allowed. but, i hold to the absurd saying it is insensitive to men, when talking about gang raping women.

along with saying it is "demeaning" to men. when talking gang rape of women.

just a little quirk i have.

the poster says, that the way i talk about this issue effects mens support of the issue. hence me question or even pleading with men, that though you may not be comfortable with how i discuss the gang rape of women, i hope it does not effect a mans support in womens right. again, i see nothing wrong with that comment.

your last argument is made up, giving me something i have not said. i will not participate in that. you can either argue what i say, and i will respond. or make up bullhsit argument i will not even bother with because of its absurdity.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:27 AM

87. You seem to be hung up

on painting men as enemies. I didn't rape any Syrian women. I didn't tell anybody to. It is not more acceptable to demean me in a conversation about crimes by men any more than it is acceptable to demean gays in a conversation about crimes by gays, or to demean Muslims in a conversation about crimes by Muslims. You do not have a pass to make bigoted statements, just because the conversation is about crimes by some of the targets of your bigotry.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #87)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:36 AM

89. you do not seem to address what i actually post.

have a good day.


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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:07 PM

60. A clearer example of misandry would be hard to find.

You do the rights of women no favors with your posts.

Cheers!

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:13 PM

62. saying a man tells men to gang rape women is misandry???? wow. you guys, you really are going all

out.

i do not know if i have seen anything as incredibly odd as a bunch of men demanding i say

a PERSON told PEOPLE to gang rape women so we do not hurt mens feelings.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #62)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:16 PM

63. Thank you.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:25 AM

86. OK, let's try your position this way:

Let's say someone posts a link to some unbelievably outrageous and heinous pronouncement by a woman about harming or doing violence to men (Valerie Solinas' "SCUM Manifesto" leaps immediately to mind, and I realize that is decades old, but I've no doubt a couple of minutes goolgling the interwebs could find more contemporary examples, an activity that I am not in the least bit interested in doing).

In response to such ugliness, someone comments, "I cannot believe how barbaric people can be."

Shortly thereafter, a second commenter responds, "WOMEN. Not people. WOMEN."

When called out on such a bigoted and hurtful response (because it lumps all women in with the ugly and hurtful comments of just a few), the second commenter replies, "But it is just women making these comments. Show me where I'm factually incorrect."

Would you or would you not be OK with that line of reasoning?

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:30 AM

88. no. because women are not exclusively committing violence on men. as a matter of fact, that was a

written piece of fiction that did not actually happen. nothing came out of it. so there was NO barbaric behavior being committed. if you claimed people WRITE the most barbaric things and then proceeded to say women, not people. that would not be correct either because both men and women write barbaric stuff.

if you were to say people have babies. women, not people, women have babies. then i would have to agree.

if you are to say people gang rape. men, not people, men gang rape. then i would have to agree.

i showed you were you are factually incorrect. right?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:40 AM

90. Like someone said upthread, I'm sorry you are unable to see the divisiveness and demeaning nature

of your comment, whether factually correct or not.

As someone else said (and I say this as a woman), you do the cause of women's rights no favors with such posts, which, whether factually correct or not, come across to most reasonable minds (in my judgment) as having just a strident anti-male at any cost point of view.

That's how I've read your posts in this subthread, anyway.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:48 AM

94. i am sorry that fact and reality and common sense gets in the way how others want me to post

on this issue.

truly.

as i said in a post. honesty. i think what we have to do is discuss these issues honestly. we were not doing that and i called it out. i do not think being honest is painful. i think it is more painful when we try to defend a non truth.

i think it allows problems to percolate and stream roll ahead.

what would happen if a man read about gang rape and did not take ownership of it, but was merely outraged by it. that really is not so hard.

or, it should not be.

to not take ownership of it eliminates the weight on his shoulders, and any sense of guilt that is misplaced. it actually is freeing to him. this behavior, having to use people, and defend that regardless of fact imprisons him. in my view.

then maybe, we can get to the underlying issues with our roles in society that actually create the problems.


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Response to seabeyond (Reply #94)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:09 AM

99. Hard to do when someone else groups such a man in with all the other men who do commit such heinous

That one man in Colorado, say, should be the keeper and minder of a man or men thousands of miles away.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:12 AM

100. but... i did not do that. again, when we ignore fact and make up an argument,

i cannot really be responsible for that. i can only be responsible for what i actually said.

and it is not hard for many men that do not feel a person, or woman is saying ALL men, when using the word men that gang rape women, instead of people that gang rape women. you understand there are many many men that do not take ownership and are sitting in a much more healthy position, right here and now.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #100)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:44 AM

101. So, a man in Colorado should take ownership of something said

by an Islamic religious leader in a country thousands of miles away (which now appears to have been a false report anyway)?

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:59 AM

102. where did i say that? please, quit making shit up and trying to give it to me.

i said the complete opposite.

done. i am not going to have a discussion with a person that chooses to argue what is not being said.

you have yet to discuss what i am actually saying.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:22 PM

103. All right, when I read your post No. 94,

it read, to me, that you were suggesting that men should take ownership of what other men say or do, with the implication that they are part of the discrete problem at hand by virtue of their sex.

Like I said, that's how it read to me.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #103)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:15 PM

105. you interpreted THIS as me saying they should take ownership on what other men say and do? really?

what would happen if a man read about gang rape and did not take ownership of it, but was merely outraged by it. that really is not so hard.

or, it should not be.

to not take ownership of it eliminates the weight on his shoulders, and any sense of guilt that is misplaced. it actually is freeing to him. this behavior, having to use people, and defend that regardless of fact imprisons him. in my view.



again. boggles the mind.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #105)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:20 PM

106. Still at it?

Rush Limbaugh wishes he could make up straw women as silly as you.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:43 PM

107. But women have gang raped men. So your point that only MEN, not PEOPLE, gang rape is not factual.

If {someone} were to say "people have babies". {And you lashed out} "women, not people, women have babies". Then I would have to agree.

If {someone} were to say "people gang rape". {And you lashed out} "men, not people, men gang rape". Then I would have to agree.



A "man gang raped by women" Google search turned up three on the first two pages.

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Know-Men-Can-Be-Rape-Victims-Too/1282212

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Man-gang-raped-by-3-women-20050824

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/oct/141011-Women-gang-arrested-for-drugging-and-raping-men-to-steal-semen.htm



i showed you were you are factually incorrect. right?


No, you did not show the other poster that he was factually incorrect. Because you were factually incorrect.


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Response to Not Me (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:46 PM

13. yes some use religion to free people and some use it to enslave them

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:58 PM

18. ya, cause all those men kidnapping women and children for sex slave trade are so damn religious. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:50 PM

55. Huh?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:48 PM

15. And yet, we are told, Iran is the one to worry about.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:01 PM

21. I am convinced ...




their clock is about five centuries slow. No doubt in my mind.


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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:15 PM

26. This is bullshit

On a number of levels. Gang-rape is evil shit in any culture. To do it in the name of war or religion or in this case both is so fucked up it leaves me speechless.

Unfotunetly rape as a war weapon, which is what this is all about, has far too many precedents.

Any asshole can pretend that a particular Fatwa is in line with Islamic expectations and dodma. from my limited understanding of it, This guy is a perverted, opportunistic fuckwad, and should have no right to open his disgusting mouth.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:17 PM

28. If he is still considered a "religious leader"

Why should we have any respect for any who respect him?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:29 PM

31. Because it was issued as a fatwa...

and how many in this piece of shits circle feel fatwa's are as good as a social contract, this man should be found guilty of crimes against humanity.

WTF is wrong with some men is beyond me. Sick Fucks.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:50 AM

96. Fortunately, it wasn't

This is a fabrication by a Syrian expat blogger.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:47 PM

36. So Allah made the human body



to torture other human bodies, according to this creature of violence?

There's a nice god. Real sacred stuff there. Kind of like the fundy god.

Has women give birth to girls so they can be raped....cuz fundy men want to rape girls and cuz gawd sez it's okay.

al-Arifi: "Allah created life; I can torture it if I want, because I want to, and cuz Allah sez so. Let's all go rape someone that Allah created for our sick appetites! Hoo-aahh, ain't I all manly and shit?"

May al-Arifi wind up in his own hell.






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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:55 PM

38. Tell me again why that asshole shouldn't die at the tip of a Drone's missile? nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:00 PM

40. This is way worse than any cartoon "insults" of the prophet

M******d that seem to get some people so riled up in that part of the world.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:12 PM

45. al-Arifi deserves as much contempt as Warren Jeffs or Jerry Sandusky

He delights in the victimization of the innocent. There is still evil in the world, folks...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:17 PM

47. I am speechless.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:45 PM

53. If I'm ever diagnosed with terminal cancer,

I'd like to take out a cowardly hell-bound douchebag motherfucker like this. I'll put on the vest.

But I'd like to cut off his balls and let him watch me feed them to dogs first, but I doubt I'd have the chance to go that far.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:53 PM

56. I HOPE Muhammed al-Arifi gets HIS K-A-R-M-A soon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:20 PM

66. "Controversial Saudi preacher needs psychiatric help, MBC statement suggests"

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:28 PM

67. Holy fucking shit, that is extremely creepy.

Just monstrous.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:14 PM

74. Would it be over the top for me...

to suggest this "religious leader" be gang raped by the Redwood Forest?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:15 PM

75. Our great ally in the war on terra.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:42 PM

77. I'm not sure how credible this accusation is.

The original source was Press TV and Muhammed al-Arifi has apparently denied he issued the fatwa.

However, he is clearly bonkers.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:13 AM

78. To quote Senator Vreenak (? - Romulus)



But of course, everyone in the "civilized west" is going to droll all over themselves at having more justification for hating Muslims, so the fake spread like crazy...

http://www.alternet.org/world/exhibit-how-islamophobic-meme-can-spread-wildfire-across-internet

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:26 AM

80. interesting. i really did not find any clarification

where the misstep or false story is. if this article wanted to prove it as false, i would think it would be clear where the falsehood is. i didnt read it. maybe i missed it. BUT... i certainly get the point of the story, hence my immediate response this is not just about saudi arabia.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:53 AM

97. Yikes. Glad I was biting my tongue on this one. nt.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:36 AM

81. This is not true

Can't give a link now but there should be an article at alternet

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Response to G_j (Reply #81)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:44 AM

92. Yep...salon.com pulled the story

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:40 AM

82. why doesn't he offer his own body up for a brief marriage?

Sick SOB.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:48 AM

93. Story was a fake. Salon.com has removed it from its page You should delete this thread

Seriously...this whole thread makes DU look like a bunch of idiots to the whole world.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:50 AM

95. Please edit to reflect the fact that this story is a total fabrication (nt)

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