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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

 

How do you sue politicians for violating their oath of office? Who is holding them accountable?


It seems a bit crazy instead of investigating Wall Street and finding the real money, our FBI was investigating Occupiers, a reaction to the theft.

Perhaps if there was some accountability for white color criminals, we would not be having these problems with the debt?

Can we sue Holder for not holding anyone accountable?

There must be something we the people can do besides watch this slow motion train wreck...

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Reply How do you sue politicians for violating their oath of office? Who is holding them accountable? (Original post)
No Compromise Jan 2013 OP
Rocky888 Jan 2013 #1
IDoMath Jan 2013 #2
brooklynite Jan 2013 #3
No Compromise Jan 2013 #5
brooklynite Jan 2013 #6
No Compromise Jan 2013 #11
brooklynite Jan 2013 #13
No Compromise Jan 2013 #21
SheilaT Jan 2013 #4
brooklynite Jan 2013 #7
SheilaT Jan 2013 #9
RevStPatrick Jan 2013 #8
MineralMan Jan 2013 #10
No Compromise Jan 2013 #12
brooklynite Jan 2013 #14
SidDithers Jan 2013 #19
MineralMan Jan 2013 #16
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #15
bemildred Jan 2013 #17
SidDithers Jan 2013 #18
billh58 Jan 2013 #20

Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:58 PM

1. i had the same thought awhile back

i had thought about filing a lawwsuit on the norrquisat pledge signers for derelectiion of duty.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:00 PM

2. Options are few

 

If you are looking to sue a government official for not doing his job, the only device I am aware of is to seek a ].
You will not be able to sue Holder for not going after white collar criminals as a whole, however. A mandamus action needs to be able to state specific action which the agency or office holder is obliged to do and able to do. Forcing the state (or fed) to prioritize criminal prosecutions is difficult if not impossible.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:03 PM

3. Please describe the oath of office violation

Seriously. If this is just venting, be my guest. If not, please define the specific way in which the politicians you're angry about violated their oath to defend the Constitution.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:23 PM

5. have you been paying attention?

 


To start with, there is illegal wiretapping which they all attempted to make legal retroactively.

They very recently signed the FISA bill into law, something that blatantly violates our Constitution...

they put their names on a document that goes against the very principles of our nation.

I believe it they want to do that legally, they would need an amendment to the Constitution.

Instead they wrote their names on a blatant violation of our Constitution, and every one of them took an oath to defend and protect our Constitution.

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:59 PM

6. I'll defer on your assessment that FISA is Unconstitutional...

...while pointing out that nobody has attempted to challenge it in Court. Therefore, no evidence that supporting FISA is Unconstitutional (btw - I asssume that since President Obama supports FISA, he should be thrown in Jail as well?).

As for "they put their name on a document", you are refering to the Norquist Anti-Tax pledge? Please explain how that's a violation of the Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution requires an elected official to vote for Taxes, so a pledge not to is inconsistent. If the argument is that by doing so they're not raising the revenue they need to address Government expenditures, I think you'll find that every elected official in American History as been unwilling at some point to go dollar for dollar between expenses and revenues.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:00 PM

11. check the 4th amendment

 


The idea that our government tells us we have no money for retirement funds meanwhile they are wasting billions spying on us for no good reason is okay with you?

The FBI is wasting money trying to fight occupy protesters instead of going after the corporate crooks, the bankers...I don't think this is what our founders intended.

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:05 PM

13. Whether I think it's "okay" has nothing to do with whether I think its "unconstitutional"

We have a process by which policy choices are made and endorsed. It's called "An Election".

I attempt to influence the election of candidates in support of issues I care about, and I attempt to influence them to make decisions I agree with. I don't try to throw them in jail because I disagree with them.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:44 PM

21. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreason

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:19 PM

4. Maybe you could initiate some kind of recall

for the politicians you're so unhappy about.

Or run for office yourself.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:59 PM

7. Federal elected officials are not subject to recall.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:09 PM

9. I was under the vague impression

that state laws covered that sort of thing, and that it could be done in some states. But I'm wrong, apparently.

Thank you.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:07 PM

8. There is a process for this.

 

It's called elections.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:31 PM

10. Hmm...you seem to be confused.

I'm not sure what it is you want to do. You want to sue Holder for violating his oath of office? In which court? First, you will need to show damages that you have incurred, establish standing to sue, and then, I suppose, you can sue him. But, if you're suing him, personally, you'll have to prove that he, himself, caused those damages you incurred. That's going to be a tough thing to do, I'm sure.

I doubt you'll find an attorney interested in taking such a case, and it would be an expensive case, indeed, if you could find such an attorney.

Maybe you're not really wanting to sue Holder, in reality. But I'm not sure what it is that you want to do. Perhaps some more study of our legal system and laws would be of benefit. I don't know.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:02 PM

12. I want to throw the US Congress out, we can't afford them

 

nt

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:06 PM

14. To be replaced by General Assemblies using Twinkle Fingers?

Well, that might speed the process up...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:40 PM

19. Heheh....



Sid

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:18 PM

16. I see. So you have no ideas at all.

Never mind. I mistook you for someone who wanted to discuss something. My mistake.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:06 PM

15. 1) You don't., and 2) The voters

If the voters don't hold them accountable then sue the voters.

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:37 PM

17. You have to vote them out. nt

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:38 PM

18. Is Holder a politician? Or did you have someone else in mind?...nt

Sid

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Response to No Compromise (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:47 PM

20. You wouldn't want to

watch sausage being made either...

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