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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:41 PM

The fiscal cliff was a "manufactured crisis"?

If that's true, why are the people pushing this claim also pushing fear and risk associated with the next fiscal cliff?

Either it's bogus or not.

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Reply The fiscal cliff was a "manufactured crisis"? (Original post)
ProSense Jan 2013 OP
leftstreet Jan 2013 #1
ProSense Jan 2013 #6
woo me with science Jan 2013 #10
R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #16
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #2
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #4
G_j Jan 2013 #5
ProSense Jan 2013 #8
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
ProSense Jan 2013 #12
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #15
woo me with science Jan 2013 #13
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #3
ProSense Jan 2013 #14
mike_c Jan 2013 #7
NCTraveler Jan 2013 #11
ProSense Jan 2013 #18
GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #17

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:45 PM

1. Can you prove it wasn't?

Several journalists and elected reps have claimed it was a manufactured crisis. Many lengthy and sourced articles right here on DU

I'd look forward to info debunking it

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:51 PM

6. Huh?

Several journalists and elected reps have claimed it was a manufactured crisis. Many lengthy and sourced articles right here on DU

I'd look forward to info debunking it

Do you believe it was manufactured? You didn't answer the question: For those who believe it was manufactured, why is there a "risk" associated with the next "crisis"?



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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:00 PM

10. Because each manufactured crisis is used to justify

and push through, on an "emergency" basis, policies that are very real and very destructive.

You need to read "Shock Doctrine." The whole purpose of creating a manufactured crisis is to force legislation down our throats that the American public would not accept otherwise.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:07 PM

16. Oh, seriously? That would never happen.



And nobody would ever cheer about it when it did.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:45 PM

2. "Manufactured crisis" doesn't mean the crisis doesn't exist

 

But that its existence is unnecessary and manufactured (for ulterior motives)

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:48 PM

4. Right.

It's not that there was NO crisis, it's just that there didn't HAVE to be one.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:49 PM

5. Exactly. nt

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

8. OK,

"Manufactured crisis" doesn't mean the crisis doesn't exist

...but I'm speaking of those who said there was no crisis.

Others claimed that this was more a "curb" than a "cliff."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:59 PM

9. It was not zero sum

 

The crisis was manufactured months ago. "Something" would of happened if no agreement was made (due to another agreement during the manufacturing). That "something" had a catchy name and everyone went chicken-little about its consequences, blowing them into a mountain out of a molehill (because what is a manufactured crisis without a little showmanship?).

So, with fear and a catchy little name, the American people were scared into accepting ANY agreement to avert the manufactured crisis, without a clear explanation of whether or not that agreement is better or worse than the manufactured crisis. So an unnecessary fear has resulted in an unnecessary agreement, and we are supposed to be happy because we avoided a "something" that wasn't even necessary in the first place?

Hell of a way to run a government

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:03 PM

12. I understand that point, but

So, with fear and a catchy little name, the American people were scared into accepting ANY agreement to avert the manufactured crisis, without a clear explanation of whether or not that agreement is better or worse than the manufactured crisis. So an unnecessary fear has resulted in an unnecessary agreement, and we are supposed to be happy because we avoided a "something" that wasn't even necessary in the first place?

...I'm asking if the next crisis is real or manufactured? You seem to say this one was bogus, although perceived as real because of the hype.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:07 PM

15. Yes, they've already manufactured the next crisis

 

So it is real. Its magnitude will likely be exaggerated to manipulate the country. The solution may very well be worse, but we don't know that yet.

In any case, its unnecessary .

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:03 PM

13. Exactly. The crisis is manufactured, but the

destructive, corporate-planned "solutions" are very real.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:46 PM

3. Because the consequences of going over the "fiscal cliff" were not catastrophic

But the consequences of not extending the debt ceiling are.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:07 PM

14. "But the consequences of not extending the debt ceiling are."

You're saying the consequences of the "not extending the debt ceiling" is "catastrophic."

That makes it a potentially real crisis.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

7. yes, it was....

It was brilliant theater, too. "Fiscal cliff" sounds so dire. Fear of the "cliff" was so acute that it completely obscured the circumstance that we went over it Monday night and no one even noticed.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:01 PM

11. Manufactured does not equal bogus.

The two terms are completely different.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:12 PM

18. It can.

"Manufactured does not equal bogus."

Manufactured does equal bogus if it isn't real.

One can manufacture a real crisis, but one can also create the impression that something is a crisis when it isn't. In that case it's bogus.

For example, for several years there was a talking point about Social Security being in crisis. It was never real. It was bogus.

On the other hand, holding the debt ceiling hostage is a manufactured crisis that isn't bogus. Republicans are the ones manufacturing the crisis, and the consequences are very real.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:08 PM

17. Evidence

" ...why are the people pushing this claim also pushing fear and risk associated with the next fiscal cliff?"

would be helpful.

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