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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:50 AM

OK, so there's a graph being posted all over FB entitled, "Who Increased the Debt"

and conservatives are calling it bogus.

I don't know if the link will work, but...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3013252337852&set=a.1509299939982.2067763.1458857930&type=1&ref=nf

Here is what they are countering with:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2808435344052&set=p.2808435344052&type=1&ref=nf

Really??

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Reply OK, so there's a graph being posted all over FB entitled, "Who Increased the Debt" (Original post)
LaydeeBug Jan 2012 OP
FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #1
LaydeeBug Jan 2012 #4
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 #2
LaydeeBug Jan 2012 #3
baldguy Jan 2012 #6
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #7
A wise Man Jan 2012 #8
baldguy Jan 2012 #5
babylonsister Jan 2012 #9
SaintPete Jan 2012 #10
surfdog Jan 2012 #12
bongbong Jan 2012 #16
Proud Public Servant Jan 2012 #11
LaydeeBug Jan 2012 #14
sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #13
toddwv Jan 2012 #15

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:53 AM

1. This content is currently unavailable

The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:00 AM

4. I am so sorry about that...I don't know how to make it something you could see. nt

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:55 AM

2. Funny. What they're calling the "Obama Economic Record" is actually

the result of 8 years of bu$hco that he was left to deal with. It's not his. It's the leftovers from the bu$h disaster that he was left to clean up. Now, they're tacking it on Obama. Republicans do this constantly. They get into office, destroy the economy, then when a Dem is elected, they blame the Dem for the bad economy.

Been watching them pull this shit for decades. Every. Time.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:59 AM

3. Tellin' it like it is...

You ROCK!!!

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:07 AM

6. Like being stabbed in an alley, then blaming the doctor in the ER for the blood.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:08 AM

7. Plus they keep using it as an excuse to cut funding for and spending more on social programs

yet, of course, there is always plenty of money that can be spent on the military and tax cuts for the wealthy- and people fall for their patently obvious schtick over and over and over and over and over......................again!



At this very moment, the Republicans (and hawkish Dems like Lieberman) are trying to welsh out on their agreement to cut defense spending in the wake of the failure of the deficit supercommittee but are almost certainly not interested in restoring the medicare provider cuts. This should tell us everything we should know about how genuine their concern about the deficit is.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:11 AM

8. Yet the biggest problem is this...

 

The most ignorant of the ignorant keeps putting these insane clowns back into office even when they are suffering like everyone else from THE BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN CONTROL FROM 2000 TO 2006 AND THIS PRESENT CONGRESS.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:06 AM

5. The first link says "This content is currently unavailable"

The pic in the second link offers no explanation as to where those numbers come from and no source.

Here's a chart from the White House showing the change in the number of jobs:



As for the rest - if it comes from a RW source, it's bullshit.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:12 AM

9. Try sharing this...

Obama Vs. Bush On Job Growth: 3 Long Years, 1 Simple Graph



from here:

http://front.moveon.org/obama-vs-bush-on-job-growth-3-long-years-1-simple-graph/?rc=fb.fan

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

10. Here's the "Who Increased the Debt" graphic

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Response to SaintPete (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:44 AM

12. That graph doesn't seem accurate

 

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Response to surfdog (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:24 PM

16. It's accurate

 

Reality is a bitch for repigs.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:33 AM

11. From a data-crunching point-of-view

They're both right (loathe as I am to say it). The best case for Obama gets made by looking at percentages and trend-lines, which is what the two graphics here on debt and jobs do. The worst case gets made by looking at absolute numbers, which is what the conservative graphic does (though what college tuition costs have to do with the President is beyond me). This will be one of the dominant arguments of the upcoming campaign, made to a voting population that's mathmatically and statistically illiterate (innumerate)? It's going to be painful.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:16 AM

14. Thank you for this. nt

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

13. There were two graphs in the NY Times story, "How the Deficit Got so Big".

Here they are



and

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:44 AM

15. Some other important graphs

Labor force participation rate:



US dollar value:



US private sector job "growth" under Bush:

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