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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:18 PM

How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown? 387 Excellent> (interactive map)

Since the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14, we at Slate have been wondering how many people are dying from guns in America every day.

That information is surprisingly hard to come by. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, for example, has a tally atop its website of “people shot in America.” That number, though, is an estimate, based on the number of gun injuries and deaths recorded by the CDC in 2008 and 2009, the most recent years for which statistics are available. It seems shocking that when guns are in the headlines every day, there’s no one attempting to create a real-time chronicle of the deaths attributable to guns in the United States.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

I posted this the other day, it didn't get any attention. Figured DU was no longer interested, can see now some still are.

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Reply How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown? 387 Excellent> (interactive map) (Original post)
sasha031 Jan 2013 OP
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #1
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #2
sasha031 Jan 2013 #3
MrsMatt Jan 2013 #4
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #5
Recursion Jan 2013 #6
ileus Jan 2013 #7
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #8
ileus Jan 2013 #9
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #13
jmg257 Jan 2013 #20
orleans Jan 2013 #26
BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #27
orleans Jan 2013 #36
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #10
Dems to Win Jan 2013 #11
L0oniX Jan 2013 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2013 #14
marions ghost Jan 2013 #30
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2013 #32
marions ghost Jan 2013 #34
Savannahmann Jan 2013 #15
Phentex Jan 2013 #16
Phentex Jan 2013 #24
Phentex Jan 2013 #31
yardwork Jan 2013 #17
Savannahmann Jan 2013 #18
yardwork Jan 2013 #19
billh58 Jan 2013 #21
Tab Jan 2013 #22
billh58 Jan 2013 #29
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #23
jtuck004 Jan 2013 #25
duhneece Jan 2013 #28
stevenleser Jan 2013 #33
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #35
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #38
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #39
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #40
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #41
Robb Jan 2013 #42
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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:21 PM

1. K&R

 

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:24 PM

2. There are links for more information ...

about each of the deaths. Thank you for posting.

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Response to LisaLynne (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:31 PM

3. Slate is doing a great job keeping track

They're getting their information from @GunDeaths, who has been posting everyday.

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:40 PM

4. I posted that link in another thread just this afternoon

I've been checking that link since it first appeared on slate.com.

It's very disappointing to see the numbers change so quickly.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:40 PM

5. I am shocked...

I didn't expect the vast majority of those killed to be adult men. I guess I shouldn't be surprised as adult men are around guns much more than women. And children are around guns even less, which is a good thing, yet far too many die accidentally.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:42 PM

6. Nearly all victims of violence of any form are young adult men

On the order of 85%. Nearly all violence is male-on-male, within the 16-25 age group.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:44 PM

7. How do we stop all those guns from killing people....

That is the question.

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:50 PM

8. Give everyone bulletproof vests? nt

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:07 PM

9. No those sneaky guns would just modify their attack.

They'd probably resort to head shots only or inner thigh shots.

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:37 AM

13. Stop pulling the triggers?

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:58 PM

20. Get rid of them? nt

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Response to ileus (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:14 AM

26. i think a comedian (years ago) suggested a bullet should cost $10,000

that would really help to lower fatality rates due to guns

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Response to orleans (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:02 AM

27. Chris Rock...the price was $5,000

"That guy got shot four times, he must have done something wrong. He's got $20,000 worth of bullets in his head."

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:41 PM

36. thanks--i thought it was chris (and i figured i was overestimating) but... n/t

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:16 PM

10. Statistically insignificant...erp...

Too late to do anything...erp...would you rather they were killed with baseball bats?...erp...outlaw cars...too many laws...

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:56 PM

11. Thank you for the post. I read it both times. And sent out a link on Twitter.

NRA has made sure the info is hard to come by. I'm glad Slate is doing this, I hope they keep it up.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:04 AM

12. Gee ...a country always at war somewhere and its people use guns ...go figure.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:47 AM

14. looks like Oregon is the safest place in US

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:35 AM

30. There does seem to be an East-West distinction

with far more deaths in the east. When you consider California's large population, there should be more there. So what is it about the west coast that makes gun violence there less of a problem?

Answers__________________?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:47 PM

32. more enlightened population....all the cutting edge ideas start on the west coast. my guess

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:48 PM

34. I wonder about California gun restrictions

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:25 PM - Edit history (1)

are the penalties greater for negligence in gun deaths etc? There have got to be regulations reinforcing "enlightened" legislation I would think...yes I see CA has the best gun laws in the nations--and one of the lowest rates of gun death relative to population.

Here's some info on it from a recent article: ------------------------------------------------------

"California goes beyond federal law in requiring background checks on individuals who try to buy firearms at gun shops and gun shows. It also requires a 10-day waiting period for handgun and rifle purchases.

The state has approved 45 gun-control laws since 1989, when the state became the first in the nation to ban military-style assault weapons after the slaying of five children and wounding of 29 others in a Stockton schoolyard.

Yee plans to push another bill to require yearly registration and background checks for gun ownership.

Another bill, by Sen. Kevin DeLeon, D-Los Angeles, would require a background check and permit — with annual updates -- for anyone wishing to buy ammunition.

"For the sake of our children and the memory of the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre, it's time for an honest and rational debate on gun control and how to keep ammunition out of the hands of criminals," De Leon said."

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article at: http://www.insidebayarea.com

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:25 PM

15. Well the pro gun people are certainly interested.

After all, they celebrate the deaths of all those people, that is viewed as a excellent example of the Second Amendment.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:30 PM

16. Atlanta, Jan. 1, 2013 - 18 year old

I'll just start with this year.

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Response to Phentex (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:30 PM

24. Atlanta, January 2, 2013, one dead after afternoon shooting...

the night is young.

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Response to Phentex (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:08 PM

31. and another killed last night. nt

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:35 PM

17. If "terrorists" were killing all these people we'd be starting another war.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:44 PM

18. The only other countries with body counts this high are in a civil war.

Think about that. Only nations in a civil war suffer tens of thousands dead to gun violence. Yet we celebrate this statistic as our God given right to keep dangerous guns about.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:47 PM

19. Maybe we are in a civil war.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:43 PM

21. According to the NRA

and our very own Gungeon dwellers, these deaths are "inconsequential," and are the price we must pay in order to protect the 2nd Amendment and our "freedoms" from those scary old Liberals in charge of our government.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:43 PM

22. Unfortunately it doesn't separate suicides from non-suicides

That's a distinction I'd like to see clarified.

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Response to Tab (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:00 AM

29. Does it really make a difference

what the motive of a gun death is? Is it possible that without access to a gun there would be fewer suicides? Suicide by gun is almost always successful -- other methods, not so much.

If there is a gun in the house, chances of a homicide, OR a suicide are increased significantly. Access to a gun is detrimental to everyone's health, and they should be treated as such.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:26 PM

23. up to 393 people

20.6 per diem.

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:19 AM

25. Yeah, but mostly not on the vanilla side of town, so not so much news...

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:49 AM - Edit history (1)

here's Fields take on the pecking order...

"Field, last night you blogged about a "pecking order" when it comes to American lives; please tell us what you think the pecking order is from top to bottom."

I am always glad to oblige someone who reads the field's blog and takes the time to send an e-mail.

1. White women.

2. White children.

3. White men.

4. Others. (Hispanics,Asians, etc.)

5. Black children.

6. Black women.

7. Pets.

8. Black men.

You are welcome.


I very much appreciate another perspective. I was thinking about that list, and the correlation with news reports. I think he gets pretty close.

I was toying with the thought that such a "pecking order" seems downright unfair, and that if we could fix it so that everyone got equal concern, we might do away with a lot of the violence, gun and otherwise. Maybe more than just hiding some guns and extra clips away from a large number of people. It's more effort, but for our return on investment it might be better.








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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:30 AM

28. Yes, many of us are very interested in gun deaths nt

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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:47 PM

33. K&R

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:32 PM

37. the Slate site is messed up right now, i sure hope it didn't go up to 1242 overnight...

http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?id=843882#.UOcriHfVpF4

US Marshals arrest Quincy shooting suspect (Quincy, MA)

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Man Sought In Shooting Over $1 In Delaware
KYW Newsradio-45 minutes ago
The shooting happened at about 7:30 p.m. Wednesday on North Spruce Street in Wilmington. According to investigators, a 22-year-old male was lost and was ...
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/01/04/man-sought-in-shooting-over-1-in-delaware/

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http://www.nbc-2.com/story/20504838/sheriff-december-shooting-victim-had-loaded-ak-47

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http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2013/jan/04/convicted-felon-caught-firearm-near-smithfield-sho-ar-2908974/

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:00 PM

38. 427 = down .1 to 20.3 a day! not really good news

so that's 7,000 plus a year, but if they are missing 8 a day, it's over 10,000...


On Aug. 2, police pulled Porter’s car over to arrest him on a warrant in connection with the shooting. They allegedly found a sawed-off 9mm Luger rifle, more than half a gram of cocaine and the anti-anxiety drug alprazolam, better known by the brand name Xanax.

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130104/CITYANDREGION/130109662/1010

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TEXAS-

Friday, January 4 2013, 02:50 PM CST
Deputies Surround Shooting Suspect In Wimberley

Deputies with the Hays County Sheriff's Office say they've surrounded a shooting suspect at a home near Wimberley High School.

Deputies say that at around noon they responded to a shooting call at a home in the 300 block of Rader Ranch Road, in a neighborhood directly behind Wimberley High School.

The victim has been taken to a hospital in Austin -- her/his status is unknown. The shooter is barricaded in a residence, according to deputies.

Due to the proximity of the incident and Wimberley High School, the school was put on lockdown. The children and all staff members that were in the school are safe, according to deputies.

We have a crew on the way to the scene and we will update this story as we learn more.
http://keyetv.com/news/top-stories/stories/deputies-surround-shooting-suspect-wimberley-6222.shtml?wap=0

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Police seized a .22-caliber rifle with a 25-round magazine, a .30-06 rifle, a .22-caliber revolver and an empty vodka bottle.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/01/alaska_woman_charged_with_shoo.html

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PIERRE | A 16-year-old Pierre boy has pleaded not guilty to charges connected to the fatal shooting of a classmate.

Braiden McCahren is charged with first-degree murder in the Dec. 18 shooting of 16-year-old Dalton Williams. If convicted of that murder charge, he could be sentenced to up to life in prison.

McCahren also is charged with attempted first-degree murder and aggravated assault because he allegedly pointed a gun at a third 16-year-old boy who was also in the house.
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/pierre-teen-pleads-not-guilty-in-fatal-shooting/article_c03d72e5-bc4a-5f36-985e-1a9ebf71f788.html

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Second shooting in two days on East Oakland street wounds bystander
http://www.contracostatimes.com/rss/ci_22311684?source=rss

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:07 PM

39. yikes! 489 = 22.2 per day since Dec 14

http://www.dailypress.com/news/breaking/dp--newport-news-homicide-0105,0,3880714.story?track=rss

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/nj-police-officer-charged-in-gloucester-county-shooting/


HOPE MILLS, N.C. (WTVD) -- A Hope Mills woman said she was shocked to learn that the gun stolen from her in 2008 was used to shoot a police officer in New York City on Thursday.
Diane Wells said the gun was stolen out of her car at a car wash.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8943340


http://www.kpho.com/story/20512289/officer-involved-shooting-at-walmart

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/20510370/teen-arrested-for-shooting-at-cars-after-high-school-basketball-game

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Mack allegedly opened the door and shot the victim in the leg, Hicks said.
The victim was taken to a hospital for treatment of non-life threatening injuries, Hicks said.
The victim and friends of Mack allegedly had been feuding, Hicks said.
http://theadvocate.com/news/4845514-123/detectives-search-for-ebr-shooting

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Response to sasha031 (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:53 AM

42. Perfectly illustrates that NOW is always a good time

to discuss gun control.

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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:44 PM

43. yikes again, 27 days, 695 people (as of 01/08) = 25.7 a day

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20308694/woman-shot-following-nightclub-fight-near

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Seventeen day before the shooting, Scott was arrested in Corning for allegedly choking his wife at the Radisson Hotel. They were in Corning for a concert, police said.
http://www.the-leader.com/news/x1781254925/Man-suspected-of-shooting-toddler-surrenders

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California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a vocal gun control advocate who has pushed for an assault weapon ban in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting in Connecticut last month, said in a statement that her thoughts and prayers were with the victims of this latest shooting.

"I have visited this school over the years—in fact, my own father attended Taft Union," Feinstein said.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/NATL-LA-Two-Shot-at-Taft-Union-High-School-in-Kern-County-186337852.html

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http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Double-Shooting-among-Neighbors-Leaves-One-Dead/eOSalZwldUyOj9eBsen_dQ.cspx?rss=59

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Daniel Vail, 19, was shot and killed after he aimed a shotgun at two deputies and refused to drop the weapon, authorities said.

Vail had been a suspect in a Jan. 8 home invasion involving a shotgun and baseball bats.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Daniel-Vail-Suspect-Home-Invasion-Police-Shooting.html


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