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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:19 PM

A roster of just how we might endorse the Republican demand to : CUT ENTITLEMENTS

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Reply A roster of just how we might endorse the Republican demand to : CUT ENTITLEMENTS (Original post)
Mira Jan 2013 OP
Flashmann Jan 2013 #1
psychmommy Jan 2013 #2
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #3
annabanana Jan 2013 #4
Stonepounder Jan 2013 #6
kimbutgar Jan 2013 #7
duffyduff Jan 2013 #11
Cleita Jan 2013 #16
putitinD Jan 2013 #27
duffyduff Jan 2013 #10
quakerboy Jan 2013 #12
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #36
dballance Jan 2013 #5
99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #8
penndragon69 Jan 2013 #9
quakerboy Jan 2013 #17
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #26
99Forever Jan 2013 #13
cbrer Jan 2013 #14
DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #15
sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #18
putitinD Jan 2013 #28
sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #31
Liberty Belle Jan 2013 #19
Progressive dog Jan 2013 #20
SoapBox Jan 2013 #23
SoapBox Jan 2013 #21
DirkGently Jan 2013 #22
copperearth Jan 2013 #24
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #25
putitinD Jan 2013 #29
bluestate10 Jan 2013 #30
2Design Jan 2013 #32
Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 2013 #33
loknar Jan 2013 #34
yellerpup Jan 2013 #35

Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:21 PM

1. That makes too much sense

To ever garner serious consideration.......

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:23 PM

2. kick and rec

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:34 PM

3. Bookmarked

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:35 PM

4. I'm ok except for that last one.

- medicare & social security should remain universal -

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Response to annabanana (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:22 PM

6. Or if not universal, then

you need to make the asset limit higher. $1 million sounds like a lot in assets, but in some places a $1 million home is middle-class. In the San Francisco/San Jose area if you bought your home 30 years ago and finally got it paid off, it could easily be worth $1 million today. And now one of you needs to go into a nursing home at $10,000 a month.

Currently, the system is rigged so that the middle-class cannot possible pass anything to their children. 15 years ago my mother-in-law had about $250K in stocks she had inherited. She died in a nursing home with $2,000 in her estate. She had to spend down her estate before medicaid kicked in.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:59 PM

7. I agree my mother is 90 and has two homes in San Francisco

One my parents inherited, combined they are worth over a million she rents the house she doesn't live in for a pittance. Sf is rent control and the tenant is disabled. There is no way i can get away with raising the rent. But it supplements her income so I can afford to pay her caregivers. Between social security and my dads pension she survives. She is house rich and cash poor. I think 2-3 million would be a good means testing threshold.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:23 PM

11. Nope. "Means-testing" is what is done for welfare programs

like Medicaid, Section 8, and food stamps.

"Means testing" would destroy the programs.

You paid into them, you are entitled to them regardless of income or assets. Period.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:36 PM

16. Exactly!

+100

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:10 PM

27. maybe we should means test the salaries of those in congress. I believe almost all of them are

already millionaires

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Response to annabanana (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:21 PM

10. No means-testing EVER

That would undermine public support and kill the New Deal and Great Society programs.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:25 PM

12. Agree! N/t

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Response to annabanana (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:35 PM

36. Same here. No cuts, ever

Means testing is a slippery slope toward privatization

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:51 PM

5. You forgot about subsidies to energy companies.

The ones for highly profitable big oil and big coal should GO.

Grants and subsidies for keeping investment in renewables and clean energy going should stay. But I'd be okay with those being slashed at such time those companies become as profitable as Big Oil/Gas and Big Coal. That's only fair.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:14 PM

8. Calling Mr. Soros: Can we write this in the sky over Wash. DC? ~nt

Or a massive ad blitz might do the trick: just enough to embarrass all the 6
and 7 figure moochers who are supposedly "governing" our nation, into doing
the right thing for the people and for the planet.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:18 PM

9. You hit it out of the park!

However.......i say we stop paying ANY social security to everyone making (or with assets)
over 1 million dollars.
Get rid of the wealthy FREELOADERS like McCain and the system would
be solvent for 100 years!

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Response to penndragon69 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:46 PM

17. Absolutely incorrect

There really aren't that many rich people. Cutting SS to people at a certain income level would save virtually nothing. Last I had read, it would actually cost more to track and prove who was ineligible than it would save.

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Response to penndragon69 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:17 PM

26. You must not have any clue about who has $1M in savings. IOW: MANY more than you suspect.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:28 PM

13. K&R

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:32 PM

14. What's unfair about small businesses

 

Paying taxes at the personal level if they're not incorporated?

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:36 PM

15. All that plus the entitlement allowing religious organizations to pay no taxes, now we're talking!

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:50 PM

18. If you're not careful

you disincentivize the job creators, who get up in the morning and work tirelessly to create jobs for the undeserving.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:15 PM

28. the middle class are the job creators, the business owners I know don't hire more help

until customers are literally walking out the door because they don't have enough help to wait on them.

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Response to putitinD (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:22 PM

31. Naw,

the real job creators are the ones who can't be bothered to get out of bed for less than millions annually in salary, stock options, tax breaks and other perks. If you don't believe me just ask them or the stooge politicians who shill for them.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:50 PM

19. Also stop using tax dollars to destroy our public lands with fracking, industrial wind, oil drilling

and other large-scale energy projects. Our region's most scenic areas are being destroyed, and it's happening across the America for projects that aren't even producing much power, and that could easily have been avoided by cleaner, safer alternatives such as rooftop solar.

Eliminating every subsidy across the board may be too drastic, though; what about subsidies to assure devleopment of "orphan" drugs by pharmaceutical companies for rare but curable conditions, or for research to cure Alzhemier's or cancer?

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:01 PM

20. Social security and medicare have been paid for

I am opposed to ANY cuts to these benefits to anyone. They are NOT a gift from the government, they are not welfare, and they barely keep up with inflation while GDP per capita continues to grow.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:05 PM

23. + 1000

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:02 PM

21. Headline correction...

CUT THE PENTAGON!

That's better.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:03 PM

22. Excellent. (nt)

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:14 PM

24. In regards to the last statement about slashing medicare and social security ...

if this is going to be the law then there should be some kind of buyout, if a person paid into the system. If they had earned less than $110,000 and paid into them then they should receive some form of compensation. If you make too much to have paid into them then there is no problem. You don't get them anyway.
The problem that I see denying Social Security benefits to an individual, many are self-made. They may not have started their working lives making a great deal of money and they paid their share. They should get compensation.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:16 PM

25. That last one is, frankly, stupid.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:17 PM

29. agreed

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:27 PM

30. For a person making $1 million, corporate tax rates are lower than personal tax rates,

even at the Bush tax rates. The solution is for people earning over $1 million to continue paying individual tax rates.

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:46 AM

32. kick

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:49 AM

33. What about congressional entitlements?

Shouldn't they be on the table as well?

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Response to Mira (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:05 AM

34. I'm not sure how wise it would be to cut off those farm subsidies.

 

I don't think anyone truly knows what the real outcome would be but there's a strong possibility that it would be bad for poor and middle class type people who like eating and drinking stuff. It might give small farmers a chance to compete but it might also double or triple the price of milk, butter, eggs, corn, beef, pork, etc. It is corporate welfare but, at the same time, it helps to stabilize an extremely important industry. just my humble opinion.

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Response to loknar (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:48 AM

35. Welcome to DU!

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