Want a more progressive president? Then get a more progressive Congress.

Someone said rethugs scared of grinch 'cause his 'coattails' will result in losses in Senate and of House, so lets hope for it.

and nothing can be done about them

But you can have the choice of a "Blue Dog" who's going to vote with us 85% of the time, or a Republican who'll vote with us maybe 5% of the time. Easy choice, I think.

I wish people understood that better.

however all I heard was how the blue dogs would not come through

and the poster is saying how we need to elect progressives

Progressive blue dogs??

the people in their party to be more progressive??
I guess I thought a president was suppose to lead and not follow.........

And I really do not want to hear any bullshit about how he can not get anything done with the congress he has.
All he has to do is fight for what he wants and force the others to stand behind their own votes.......

if he can't lead, he should step out of the way for someone who can.

Even when he had a more progressive, though full of BlueDogs truly as is the Democratic Party as a whole, but still more progressive than he has now, he couldn't seem to hang on to anything. His negotiation skills seem to be lacking or his heart was never into his supposed campaign perspectives. I think more likely the second, but neither gives me much hope.

And when the President is NOT doing this, it is OUR DUTY to push him to do it.

to hold him accountable, but no matter how much we scream and shout, if we don't get more progressives in Congress, then that's OUR fault, not his.

then it's "off with their leftist head!".

Yeah, the Congress made him

Sign NDAA
keep on Geithner
hire for his Chief of Staff a Wall Street exec who profited from the mortgage collapse
pressure attorneys general for settlements for corrupt banks
use SS and Medicare as bargaining chips to implement an austerity budget
Sign three new free trade agreements
support naked scanning and groping by TSA
ramp up the drug war
expand the MIC into multiple new countries
give stirring speeches to the American people about the wisdom of austerity and budget slashing in this economy

I heard that Boehner sneaks into his house at night and makes him eat clay, too.


*Of course* we need a more progressive Congress. We also need to PUSH this President to represent us, because clearly he is serving corporate interests in too many cases even when Congress is obviously not the problem.

Right after he naked scans and gropes you.

As to your post: Hyperbole Alert.

If you would write in a calm rational matter, you might be able to convince others of your viewpoint.

Your FDL style hyped up rants and snarky sloganeering really undercuts your posts.

Your FDL style hyped up rants and snarky sloganeering really undercuts your posts.

...bribes that MPAA prez (and former senator) Chris Dodd admitted to on FOX News yesterday, who knows?

I'd love to see them all replaced with Alan Grayson.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/mpaa_bribery_petition_white_house/

Is this an OP yet? It should be.

I wish people would realize this and DONATE, go out for the candidates and KNOCK on doors, make PHONE calls. If people want real change, you have to work for it.

If change was easy to come by, why would we bother?

Evil Obama must be defeated and the House and Senate placed in Republican hands.

and House with so much fire in their bellies that they'd fillabuster the shit out their own President's nominations and we are cooking with gas.

Obama's decidedly conservative presidency.

...its a trick statement.

A progressive congress can override a conservative president

and you opine about trick statements...

We had a progressive candidate ready to primary her. The Obama administration and the DNC in general supported Lincoln. So, when we work for a more progressive Congress, the President and DNC support the corporatist.

and don't listen to the president.

progressive like he wants to unless Congress was also. My point was that the President is not a progressive and didn't campaign for the progressive against Lincoln, for example. So, with no Presidential and DNC support ($$$), the progressive can't win.

I think we need to elect a progressive President who will get progressive results by putting pressure on Congress. Unfortunately, that's not even remotely possible until 2016.

the Blue Dog, there was nothing that we could do.

We learned from the grassroots in Wisconsin and in Ohio that we CAN beat the monied interests, without a leader.

Occupy Wall Street is also teaching us about the power of proactive resistance. This is being done without a leader. And in fact, I believe is pushing Obama to the left.

It's the same with Congress. With more progressive members PUSHING him, we can get this done. We also know this because Nancy Pelosi was able to get over 200 pieces of progressive legislation through the House Chamber. But because the Senate contained too many Blue Dogs joining in with Republicans to block that legislation.

I simply don't buy the excuse that the president tried to hinder progressives from electing the candidate they wanted. We have shown that he can beat the Koch Brothers and other monied elites.

Obama came here and campaigned for Bennet. That was a nasty thing to do.
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to the polls and vote. Been there, done that. Not going to do it again. It is the Democrat's responsibility to get people to vote for them. If Democratic politicians vote and stand up for the Democratic platform then they don't have to "get" people to vote for them.

the Money Machine. We already witnessed this in Wisconsin and Ohio just this year!

a progressive here in CO. That is what my post was about. Nothing you have posted has any relevance to that. I'm not interested in going where you want to go.

for the Blue Dog. Why didn't more people go out and vote for the progressive? The president doesn't control the way people vote. Were there enough liberals/progressives active enough to get the progressive candidate in office?

That's my point. It's not at all irrelevant. The point is that more progressives need to get involves in politics at the grassroots level. The more we have, the more we beat monied interests.

Just sitting blaming Obama while at the same time not doing enough to elect the progressive defeats the purpose. It is counterproductive. Next time, work hard to overcome the Blue Dog, unless there is simply not enough progressive voters that will vote for the progressive candidate.

to me that means he is not interested in having a Progressive Senate or Congress.

Not as a visitor either

Hey Alan if you're lurking out there come talk to us man. Around here at du you are well liked
Peace to you Sir.

The Progressive Caucus in Congress has more members than
the Blue Dogs and the New Dems combined, but when those
two throw in with the republicans, there's not much that we
can do about it.

The Progressive Caucus is who Rahm Emanuel was talking
to when he told them that their aims were "fucking retarded".

Support your Progressive Democrat:

Arizona

Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7, Tucson) - Co-Chair

California

Lynn Woolsey (CA-6, Santa Rosa)
George Miller (CA-7, Richmond)
Barbara Lee (CA-9, Oakland)
Pete Stark (CA-13, Fremont)
Janice Hahn (CA-36, San Pedro)
Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
Sam Farr (CA-17, Monterey)
Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles)
Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
Judy Chu (CA-32, El Monte)
Karen Bass (CA-33, Baldwin Hills)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
Maxine Waters (CA-35, Inglewood)
Laura Richardson (CA-37, Long Beach)
Linda Sánchez (CA-39, Lakewood)
Bob Filner (CA-51, San Diego)

Colorado

Jared Polis (CO-02, Boulder)
Connecticut

Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)

Florida

Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
Frederica Wilson (FL-17, Miami)
Alcee Hastings (FL-23, Fort Lauderdale)

Georgia

Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)
Hawaii

Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)

Illinois

Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2, Chicago Heights)
Luis Gutierrez (IL-4, Chicago)
Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago)
Indiana

André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)

Iowa

Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)

Maine

Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)

Maryland

Donna Edwards (MD-4, Fort Washington)
Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)

Massachusetts
John Olver (MA-1, Amherst)
Jim McGovern (MA-3, Worcester)
Barney Frank (MA-4, Newton)
John Tierney (MA-6, Salem)
Ed Markey (MA-7, Malden)
Mike Capuano (MA-8, Boston)

Michigan

John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit)

Minnesota

Keith Ellison (MN-5, Minneapolis) - Co-Chair

Mississippi

Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton)

Missouri

William Lacy Clay, Jr. (MO-1, St. Louis)
Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5, Kansas City) - Chairman, Congressional Black Caucus

New Jersey

Frank Pallone (NJ-06, Long Branch)
Donald Payne (NJ-10, Newark)

New Mexico

Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)

New York

Jerry Nadler (NY-8, Manhattan)
Yvette Clarke (NY-11, Brooklyn)
Nydia Velázquez (NY-12, Brooklyn)
Carolyn Maloney (NY-14, Manhattan)
Charles Rangel (NY-15, Harlem)
José Serrano (NY-16, Bronx)
Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester)

North Carolina

Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)

Ohio

Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
Dennis Kucinich (OH-10, Cleveland)
Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)

Oregon

Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
Peter DeFazio (OR-4, Eugene)
Pennsylvania

Bob Brady (PA-1, Philadelphia)
Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)

Rhode Island

David Cicilline (RI-1, Providence)

Tennessee

Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)

Texas

Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18, Houston)
Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)

Vermont

Peter Welch (VT-At Large)

Virginia

Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)

Washington

Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)

Wisconsin
Tammy Baldwin (WI-2, Madison)
Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)

Non-voting

Donna M. Christensen (Virgin Islands)
Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)


Senate members

Bernie Sanders (Vermont)

Former Members

Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Elected to Senate
Roland Burris (IL Senate) - Retired from Congress
Julia Carson (IN-07) - Died in December 2007
Lane Evans (IL-17) - Retired from Congress
Alan Grayson (FL-8) defeated for re-election in 2010
John Hall (NY-19) defeated for re-election in 2010
Phil Hare (IL-17) defeated for re-election in 2010
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13) defeated for re-nomination in 2010
Eric Massa (NY-29) - Resigned in March 2010
Cynthia McKinney (GA-4) - Lost Congressional seat to current caucus member Hank Johnson
Major Owens (NY-11) - Retired from Congress
Nancy Pelosi (CA-8) - Left Caucus when Elected House Minority Leader
Hilda Solis (CA-32) - Became Secretary of Labor in 2009
Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11) - Died in 2008
Paul Wellstone (MN Senate) - Died in plane crash in 2002
Robert Wexler (FL-19) - Resigned in January 2010 to become President of the Center for Middle East Peace and Economic Cooperation

progressive legislation, only to be blocked by the more conservative Senate.

a pro-militarism, anti-civil-liberties, pro-drug-war, anti-medical-marijuana, pro-deportation, pro-imperial-presidency president.

If we had a veto-proof Congress that was *truly* progressive, then it would go a very long ways in mitigating a conservative president.

is not the voters fault. They are trying to go as progressive as they can.

Which Republicans and Liebermann fucked up.

but it's easier for perpetually aggrieved to complain about one person, than it is for them to complain about 100 or 435.

Sid

He couldn't have accomplished what he did without a conservative congress.

It's a lot easier, too.

This president chose to work with the blue dogs, and even supported them over more left leaning candidates. He went and lobbied in Kucinich's district, and never even CALLED Lieberman. He had majorities in both houses, and waited until he lost them to try to raise the debt limit. We can always use a more progressive congress, but it never hurts to have a more progressive White House either. Congress rarely wants to "get ahead" of its own president, especially in the sense of "stick their neck out".

That's the key. Nothing gets done without an effective majority in Congress.

Change the system FIRST.

Then elect a progressive Congress and progressive President.

The people do not have the money to compete with the multinationals and billionaires to ever get a progressive Congress. I think to believe it's possible is ultimately delaying that which must happen first. A movement to change the election system and how our government works. It will be a continued, jaw grinding descent downwards where we are betrayed time and time again until we take legalized bribery completely out of our election and governmental system.

The system is corrupt.

We can't pretend otherwise.

Bernie Sanders' petition re: getting money out of politics. We change the system from the bottom up.

I believe the system MUST change or else this country will continue on the path it's been on the past 3 1/2 to 4 decades.

I appreciate your publicizing Bernie Sanders petition.

The movement that will MAKE them change the way D.C. works will come from people in the streets demanding it. Petitions are nice, and I certainly have signed many of them. "Our" elected representatives in D.C. will only change the system if enough Americans are in the streets demanding they do it.

I have spoken with many Tea Party members around where I live, and they believe in many of the things that I want to see implemented to change our current system to make it more democratic and more likely to serve the interests of the Americans who elect Congress persons.

Things like:

1. Term limits
2. Paper ballots
3. A ban on lobbying
4. Public funding of elections (yes, many of them are open to this to make Congresspersons accountable to the people)
5. Instant Runoff Voting (IRV)

and a few other things.

I can and will stand with Tea Party members in the streets to change our election system and to implement laws to make D.C. Congress members be more interested in serving their constituents' needs and desires over multinational corporations' and billionaires' interests.

If OWS and the Tea Party ever join forces to demand a change in D.C. I will have hope that we just may one day begin to make things better for the majority of Americans and start to reverse the ongoing distribution of wealth and income from the working class, middle class, and poor to the top 1%. I am under no illusion that most Tea Party members would begin to support our agenda. I am fully convinced that if our system is changed, that Congress could (and would) begin to pass legislation that actually benefits the economic well-being of their average constituent. When such large majorities of Americans want a public health care system, it could get passed.

We have to put the issues down in order to change the system, and I hope that one day we can do that. I loathe Tea Party positions and principles, but if they want to change the system in the same ways I do, then I will gladly put down my issues and stand with them as an American to change our corrupt system.

I don't have a problem with you.

My post wasn't directed at you as a sermon or anything . It was simply me expressing my thoughts in general about this topic.

I didn't think it was argumentative or combative in nature, and I apologize if anything I wrote came across that way.

Lobbying dollars and PAC's can spend (and do spend) so much money that it's just not possible for the average American to compete with these interests. We don't have the money that they do.

Official donor stats are nice to look at, but they can be very misleading as they do not take into account the money spent (donors can remain hidden to us, but I feel confident are not hidden to elected officials) outside of official donation numbers.

Also, it is my opinion that our current elected officials care much, much more about fulfilling the wishes of those individuals and corporations with enormous bank accounts over those individuals who donated $25 to their campaign (regardless of how many individuals donated $25).

I wish I had the same faith in our current system that you do. However, since I do not, I currently look forward to the day that more and more Americans feel the way I do and do not have that faith. For then, I believe that we just may be starting down the right path to getting the change that most of us want.

However, when told that this strategy resulted in the election of a large group of Blue Dog Democrats, many DUers don't want to hear or accept that.

And now that the Democratic Party is forced to open its "Big Tent" to allow voices from all ideological perspectives in, many can't seem to handle that.

My issue is this: If we want a viable progressive coalition that has the ability to push progressive legislation through Congress, then we have to work hard at the local and state levels to get more progressives elected to Congress.

Until this happens, we're stuck in this trajectory.

It's easy and foolish to blame just Obama. He's one man. He's not Congress, and he's not the Judiciary.

We need more progressives with a viable voice in the halls of Congress in order to affect real change.

Many of us have found ourselves repeating this over and over again, and it has fallen on deaf ears of those here at DU and others in progressive circles who simply cannot come to grips with this reality.

or since! HOWEVER We had a President who was too interested in compromising.

All it takes.