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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:31 PM

Ed Schultz: "This Is A Big Win For The Democrats"

"The middle class tax cuts are protected, the big 3 (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security) are protected, the wealthiest Americans are going to pay more"....."To go from $250,000 to $400,000, Liberals need to realize that is a small move"

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Reply Ed Schultz: "This Is A Big Win For The Democrats" (Original post)
PennsylvaniaMatt Dec 2012 OP
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1
Purveyor Dec 2012 #3
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #37
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #2
hfojvt Dec 2012 #26
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #4
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #5
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #12
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #15
napi21 Jan 2013 #55
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #6
PennsylvaniaMatt Dec 2012 #8
Cha Dec 2012 #14
W_HAMILTON Dec 2012 #18
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #41
DreWId Jan 2013 #48
DMacTX Dec 2012 #7
W_HAMILTON Dec 2012 #9
DMacTX Dec 2012 #13
W_HAMILTON Dec 2012 #22
reACTIONary Jan 2013 #29
jillan Dec 2012 #10
Brigid Dec 2012 #11
fadedrose Dec 2012 #16
sellitman Dec 2012 #17
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #19
TiberiusB Jan 2013 #53
Cha Dec 2012 #20
PennsylvaniaMatt Dec 2012 #24
Cha Jan 2013 #33
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #31
Cha Jan 2013 #32
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #35
TheProgressive Dec 2012 #21
CheapShotArtist Jan 2013 #51
hfojvt Dec 2012 #23
oxymoron Dec 2012 #25
TiberiusB Jan 2013 #56
freshwest Jan 2013 #27
PennsylvaniaMatt Jan 2013 #30
bluestateguy Jan 2013 #28
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #34
judesedit Jan 2013 #36
Sophiegirl Jan 2013 #38
SoapBox Jan 2013 #39
juajen Jan 2013 #47
Sparky 1 Jan 2013 #58
CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #40
Jack Sprat Jan 2013 #45
One of the 99 Jan 2013 #42
CheapShotArtist Jan 2013 #50
Left Coast2020 Jan 2013 #43
Kablooie Jan 2013 #44
KingFlorez Jan 2013 #46
TiberiusB Jan 2013 #57
democrattotheend Jan 2013 #49
LadyBirdJohnson Jan 2013 #52
JoeyT Jan 2013 #54
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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:32 PM

1. And now, Ed Schultz shall be thrown under the bus n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:34 PM

3. Ed Schultz has always been 'under the bus' as in road grime. eom

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:07 AM

37. definitely wasnt alot of love for Ed on DU

back in the day

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:33 PM

2. Most of the opposition is speculation about the supposed lack of leverage on the next issue

"But, but, I'm speculating that we'll be in a worse position next time!!!!"

It's a pretty good agreement. Not perfect, but only the fevered dreams of our pseudos ever is.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:56 PM

26. true, people should be complaining about the tax cuts for the rich

but many seem to be clueless in that regard.

Sure, a pretty good agreement. We kept 90% of the Bush tax cuts - just like I feared.

But what the heck, it's not like we could have gotten 0% without Republican help.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:35 PM

4. $9 billion a year IS small

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:35 PM

5. If passed, don't we go through it again in 60 days?

Negotiations re: debt ceiling, military cuts and social programs. That'll end well...

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:38 PM

12. Speculation about the next issue

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:44 PM

15. Yes, proactive rather than reactive.

This is no way to run a country, a business, or even a household.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:37 AM

55. Yes! The Pubs are aiming to get ttheir way when the debt ceiling

fight comes to the floor. That's March. Obama said he will NOT negotiate on the raising of the ceiling, and I believe him. I''m fairly sure that most of the Pubs will recognize that they were blamed for destroying the US credit rating last year, and I don't think they 'll vote for that again.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:35 PM

6. Agree 100%


I thought I was alone in not understanding what the big deal is going from 250K to 400/450K in the grand scheme of things.


Remember, this is the GOP working on this deal to increase taxes. Talk about hell freezing over!!!!!!


That alone is a huge victory for the President.


We need to step back and look at the forest instead of the trees. Look how far Obama has moved the GOP! This is actually amazing!


Remember, Clinton's tax increase passed the Senate without 1 GOP vote in 1993! Many believe this is what led to the huge GOP gains in 1994. Now Obama will put the Clinton taxes back in place with bi-partisan support. And he did it under much more partisan circumstances.


He is going to go down as an all time great President!

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:37 PM

8. Agreed!

Some of the liberals that are criticizing President Obama now will praise him in a few years!

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:44 PM

14. thanks for your analysis, aaaaaa5a..

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:47 PM

18. Unless this deal is passed by the Senate, House, and signed by the president in about 14 minutes...

...the deal will be to LOWER taxes, not raise them.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:13 AM

41. I dunno

going from someone making $16,666 a MONTH to someone making $33,333 a month seems like a pretty big step back..
but hey,
at least the payroll tax is going to go up temporarily and fund SS for the next two months! lmao

while I dont think the payroll tax should be at the level its going to be at, it needs to be raised from its now former cut rate

kinda wish the estate tax had been a tad bit higher..

could have been worse over all
but again...
i , like others, had causes we championed before the election.. and just because president obama got re-elected doesnt mean that stops.
to many people are quick to call it whining.

no, its called being passionate about what you believe in.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:20 AM

48. Frame of reference

Just as a frame of reference, in 1993 I was 9 years old. That's now 20 years ago.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:36 PM

7. Ed is genuine. I trust him.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:37 PM

9. Ed has a TV show...

...so he can be sure to tell us that in a couple of months when the temporary delay to the sequestration / debt ceiling issue ends and it's time to pay the piper and we have to negotiate with the Republicans again, this time with no leverage on the tax side of things. If you thought the Republicans were unruly now, just wait until you have to negotiate them with no leverage and them claiming that this sad tax deal was them compromising and therefore the Democrats have to give up even more in the way of spending cuts.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:43 PM

13. I dont see us with zero leverage in 2 months.

The GOP bastards held unemployment to hostage this time, and Obama had to ensure that was saved.
That would not be a threat in 2 months.
Same with EIC etc

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Response to DMacTX (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:51 PM

22. lol

The GOP bastards still have plenty to hold hostage the next go-around, namely all the "entitlements" they have been craving to cut this whole time.

What do the Democrats have to "hold hostage" when these same talks start up again in two months?

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:37 AM

29. Sequestration cuts discretionary defense. Largely exempts entitlements.

The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending with spending on wars exempt and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/14/the-sequester-explained/

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:37 PM

10. I agree. This is what negotiation looks like.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:38 PM

11. I think Obama did a pretty decent job of negotiating here

Sounds like a pretty decent job to me.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:44 PM

16. $400K is about the same as $250K after COL adjustments....

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:45 PM

17. Hey Ed

Should Dems go out and vote now?


Ed can kiss my.....

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:48 PM

19. I think a lot of the bickering over income is based on what region of the country you live in.



in New York, Boston, San Francisco or Los Angeles, 250K a year for an average family of 4 is not rich.


400/450k is a much easier sale for Dems to make to the American people. And it still keeps all of Obama's core principles in place.


I think this is a much better deal for us.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:33 AM

53. You can't be serious

Unless you want to live in Bel Air, there is virtually no where in the country that 250k isn't way beyond middle class and 400/450k isn't essentially rich, though not massively so. A million every 5 years is middle class? or 2/2.25 million? You have got to be kidding. The median income in the U.S. is something like 43k and has actually gone down over the past few years, despite the "recovery". I happen to be the dad 1/4 of a family of 4 and we survive on a combined income of about 80k. We have lived in Southern California (Castaic and Palms in L.A.) and New York. I lived the first 24 years of my life in Massachusetts. If you have it in your head that you absolutely shouldn't have to live within your means, then yes, 250k is going to be hard to live on in some cities. For those people that understand the word "commute," it's not a problem.

Obama's 250k ceiling was a ridiculous number to start with and virtually guaranteed we were going to wind up with something worse, but that has always been his style, so it's clearly a feature, not a bug.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:48 PM

20. Thanks for the report from Ed, PennMatt.. Tweet re: what Biden said to Senate Dems..

The Fix

✔@TheFix I said this is Joe Biden and Im your buddy. -- Joe Biden on what he told Senate Democrats in cliff meeting per @edatpost. So good.

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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:52 PM

24. You're Welcome! That is awesome from Joe Biden!

He is great!

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:45 AM

33. A couple of Tweets from Ed.. He's sounds all happy..

Ed Schultz

@WeGotEd Taxes on the wealthy going up ! 39.6 percent is fixed...done...permanent.. Campaign promise kept !

Ed Schultz

@WeGotEd The Big Three protected ! Campaign promise kept !

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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:39 AM

31. 120,000 posts?

Jesus.

Hi, I'm Will.

Happy New Year.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:42 AM

32. Hi I'm Cha and

I suppose I'm an addict.

Happy New Year, Will

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Response to Cha (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:53 AM

35. Check the Lounge.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:51 PM

21. 'Ed' is a MSNBC butt kisser...

Sorry... we need real progressive/Liberal/democrats... just like in FDR times....

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:29 AM

51. It's better to get half a loaf a bread in order to avoid starvation

than to get none at all.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:52 PM

23. I am guessing that the tax cuts that Schultz gets from the deal

are probably bigger than my annual income.

So I am not surprised that he is not on my side.

Hmm, he made $10.5 million in 2011, and he's not upset about Obama's deal to cut taxes for rich people.

Quelle surprise.

His net worth is $50 million.

Doubtless he speaks for the bottom 40%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz

Middle class tax cuts. What the fuck does he know about the middle class? $250,000 probably looks like poverty to him.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:56 PM

25. Yeah, gutting the estate tax is a huge win. /sarcasm

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Response to oxymoron (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:39 AM

56. Worse than the new 400/450k tax ceiling, actually

We will lose much, much more in revenue from the estate tax "hike" than the new income tax ceiling.

And since these new changes are permanent, there is no leverage in 2 months when we start this all again!

Get ready for chained CPI part deux...

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:02 AM

27. Thanks Ed. Happy New Year, PennsylvaniaMatt.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:38 AM

30. Happy New Year to you also, freshwest!

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:07 AM

28. Ed Schultz is a DLC/Blue Dog troll!

Just kidding.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:47 AM

34. This is AMAZING!!! It could have been MUCH worse!!!

Holy cow.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:53 AM

36. Actually, I was thinking $500,000. These days it's not all that much money. Wondering if Obama was

thinking the same thing and got an even better deal. He is very shrewd indeed. He's no pushover. And one has to remember he is the President of everyone in this country. It is only fair to consider the opposing side's opinion...even if it is negated in the end after much debate. The final outcome should benefit the great majority if possible. Then we can gripe all we want. None of us get everything we want. It's called compromising.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:10 AM

38. Good grief!

No one here is happy... no matter what negotiation is made. $250K.....$400K....$1M.

I, personally, am sick to death of the negotiations. These are NOT negotiations. They are nothing more than bribes for one or the other party. "I'll give you this if you give me that!" Screw the American Citizen.

I'm sick of our American politics. Our officials get elected for the sole purpose of enriching themselves and to keep themselves in office to further enrich themselves whether we like it or not.

Maybe my years living in DC have jaded me. But. I don't see our government as anything other than a black hole that sucks the life from anyone or anything nearby in order to sustain and increase its deplorable grip on our lives.

It is a sorry, sorry state wherein we live.


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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:11 AM

39. I agree with Ed.

...and to all the Ed Schultz haters, I like him.

He has a spine.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:19 AM

47. I like him too. What in the world is wrong with DUers who put him down?

I just don't get it. Is it because he is actually making money doing his job? Are we that petty now?

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:45 AM

58. I like Ed too. The longer he's been doing this, the more he's met the people, and the better he's

become. I think his heart is in the right place, and he definitely champions working folks and unions. I think he's heard a lot of personal stories from a lot of good Dems who are suffering and fed up.

We didn't get everything we wanted, but close.

The best news is so far is the Big Three (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security) are safe. Plus the folks on UI bennies right now are undoubtedly relieved that their kids won't go hungry. That was a big !WHEW!

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:13 AM

40. For 800 Billion you get nothing, but ...

 

For 600 Billion you get to use the debt ceiling to bludgeon me on "The Big 3".

DEAL!!!!!!

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Response to CranialRectaLoopback (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:32 AM

45. This. Nailed it. n/t

 

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:20 AM

42. I'm waiting for all the

Ed has sold out and stabbed us in the back posts.

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Response to One of the 99 (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:28 AM

50. You're late to the party--it has already began.

Check out a few of the above posts.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:21 AM

43. For a minute there--actually, a few hours thinking Obama would cave.

How depressing would that be for the next 4 years?

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:24 AM

44. I still have a big worry.

That the House still might not pass it.
They have to get all the Dems and 25 Pubs to vote for it.

Even though it is in theory voting to lower some taxes it won't lower them for the rich so there still could be a large faction that refuses to accept it.

Another concern is that Boehner might not agree with it or is pressured by the Tealiban and will demand changes before he puts it up for a vote.

He has shown often that he is nothing but a marionette for the Tealiban to play with.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:53 AM

46. The fact we got any tax increases is a win

There was a chance of none at all.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:41 AM

57. What?

Huh? If we did nothing, taxes would go back to the Clinton rates for everyone. Or do you mean Obama could have done worse?

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:26 AM

49. Between him and Bernie Sanders

Two progressive I trust supporting this makes me feel better about it. I thought it was a good deal until I saw how much revenue would be lost from the estate tax concession but overall not a terrible deal.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:30 AM

52. If Ed is on board, I'm satisfied

Happy New Year my dears, just made it in from watch meeting service at church.

Ed is the protector of the Middle Class. He has taken President Obama to task on more than one occasion. If he likes it, I love it.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:34 AM

54. I'm still less concerned with income taxes

than I am with inheritance and capital gains taxes. As long as those went up, I'll call a broadening of cuts a win.

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:40 AM

59. As I said in another thread,

if Ed likes it, it's got to be alright. He wouldn't hesitate to let us know, in no uncertain terms, if he thought it wasn't good enough.

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