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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:36 PM

So, is Obama a leader or an appeaser?

Make your case.

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Reply So, is Obama a leader or an appeaser? (Original post)
nobodyspecial Dec 2012 OP
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #1
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #6
Spock_is_Skeptical Dec 2012 #17
Purveyor Dec 2012 #2
DJ13 Dec 2012 #3
unblock Dec 2012 #5
nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #10
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #4
babylonsister Dec 2012 #7
bowens43 Jan 2013 #26
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #28
babylonsister Jan 2013 #32
xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #12
DMacTX Dec 2012 #16
Politicub Dec 2012 #18
madokie Jan 2013 #23
seabeyond Jan 2013 #25
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #8
nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #9
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #11
unblock Dec 2012 #13
southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #22
Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #14
nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #15
Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #19
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #20
treestar Dec 2012 #21
MineralMan Jan 2013 #24
bowens43 Jan 2013 #27
SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #30
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #29
s-cubed Jan 2013 #31
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #33

Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:39 PM

1. He's leading the appeasers.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:47 PM

6. +1

 

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:39 PM

2. Comic. Sure was all giddy and chuckles at today's press meet...props and all. Stand up comic

gig in his future?

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:40 PM

3. He's a LePeaser

Its French, I think.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:45 PM

5. we mock the french now?

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Response to unblock (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:55 PM

10. This is the new DU

Anything goes

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:42 PM

4. Leader as the last 4 years have proven.

He's doing the best job possible despite unprecedented obstruction.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:48 PM

7. Thank you. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:50 AM

26. You actually believe that?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:59 AM

28. Obviously. A lot of people do.

Why do you find that hard to believe?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:15 PM

32. Wholeheartedly. But ya know what?

I'm not a whiner either. Do you see what's happening in the House with the rethugs? I am grateful every day for President Obama v. the possible alternative.
Sure, I'm not pleased with everything he does, but at least he's making an effort, which is more than I can say for a lot of these creeps. And I'm grown up enough to recognize that there is a certain amount of compromise involved.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:00 PM

12. +1

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:13 PM

16. +1 nail on head

We are lucky to have him and Joe.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:15 PM

18. Right on

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:37 AM

23. No truer words written

Well it has been a while since I've read such prose

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:41 AM

25. agree. nt

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:51 PM

8. You sound like a Republican with that kind of language

 

That's what they say about him regarding foreign policy.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:54 PM

9. Yes, I'm a Republican



Never heard the phrase. Just popped in my head and I liked the rhyme. Are rhyming words now reserved for Republicans? Hard to keep up around here.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:58 PM

11. There is only one democrat that I can say who I can honestly trust at all times.

 

Bernie Sanders who truly is for the little guy. I'm sick of the rest who claim to be dems but are owned by corporations.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:02 PM

13. nope. he's owned by ben & jerry's


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Response to unblock (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:34 AM

22. He isn't a millionaire and works for the working people. I don't think Ben and Gerry get

 

much from him. They aren't the Koch brothers.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:08 PM

14. The answer will vary greatly

depending on whether you base your opinion on what you read on DU, or what people who live in the real world have to say.



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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:10 PM

15. Therein lies my confusion

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:22 PM

19. I'm a 'real world' type of gal

because that's where the 'real' people live. And DU is no longer reflective of the real world.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:24 PM

20. He is a leader. He has to work within what's possible, though.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:25 PM

21. I think he is leader of what he should lead

the executive branch of the federal government.

I think the separation of powers is a good thing and if people keep letting Republicans have power, then we have to deal with it.

There's nothing to "appease." The Republicans have real power if they hold the House. End of story.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:40 AM

24. He is a leader, and one who succeeds, even in very difficult situations.

You will see more of his leadership in the next two years. If we all pull together and give him a majority in the House in 2014, he will have a chance to realize some pretty broad progressive changes.

He is my President!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:51 AM

27. you mean like he did his first two years when Dems controlled the house, senate and oval office?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:03 PM

30. No pony for you!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:01 PM

29. +1

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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:10 PM

31. A leader.

Although I think he's not the best at letting people know his accomplishments nor at selling them in the first place. But, despite all the obstruction he's faced, and the incrediblly bad hand he was dealt, he has accomplished more than many. (There are lists out there if you need them).

I also think he thinks in the long term, not the immediate skirmish, and won't show his hand until the time is right. In this latest skirmish, perhaps he could have held out for higher rates for $250K+, but he did get some higher taxes for those people in capital gains. Perhaps he could have held out for permanent fixes on tuition breaks. Perhaps not. We weren't there.

There's a mathematical concept, sometimes called the streetwalker's theorem, which is expressed this way: You are a streetwalker, you get an offer from a John, which is low. If you take it, you may miss out on a higher offer, or you may get no other offer at all. You have to decide what your threshold is for accepting an offer. Obviously, you can't predict the future, so you have to play the probabilities of what you think you might be able to get. Put in political terms, you are dealing with the possible outcome, vs. the ideal outcome.

Someone said Not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
(Teddy Kennedy?).


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Response to nobodyspecial (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:29 PM

33. Just another 3rw Way politician making deals with Republicans.

See "Triangulation" and "Centrist" for details and excuses.

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