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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:48 AM

For those who want to "go over the cliff".

Does your thinking include the approximately two million people on emergency unemployment insurance getting their ui cut off? Because that is what happened, effective Dec. 29. This is a part of the "fiscal cliff" deal and these funds should be a part of any deal that may be struck.
And if you are for cutting off the funding, shame on you. It is obvious that those who want ui funding cut have no sympathy whatsoever for poor people.

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Reply For those who want to "go over the cliff". (Original post)
Bluzmann57 Dec 2012 OP
Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #1
FarPoint Dec 2012 #2
julian09 Dec 2012 #9
GObamaGO Dec 2012 #18
Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #5
Scuba Dec 2012 #7
grantcart Dec 2012 #17
B Calm Dec 2012 #3
TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #4
djean111 Dec 2012 #6
bemildred Dec 2012 #8
Bluzmann57 Dec 2012 #14
bemildred Dec 2012 #15
Bluzmann57 Dec 2012 #16
bemildred Dec 2012 #20
Bluzmann57 Jan 2013 #21
bemildred Jan 2013 #24
gollygee Dec 2012 #10
davidpdx Dec 2012 #11
kentuck Dec 2012 #12
florida08 Dec 2012 #13
Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #19
ProfessorGAC Jan 2013 #22
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #23

Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:55 AM

1. If the options are concede to republican hostage taking or go over the fiscal bluff

I vote for "jump". Within one week the idiots in the house will be begging for a deal.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:58 AM

2. Same here...Agreed.

This must play out to begin the end of republican obstruction.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:21 AM

9. Time to end this hostage taking by either side, some not really looking for jobs hoping for

 

more extensions, others working under table and collecting. We did that the last two years.

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Response to julian09 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:06 PM

18. There may be a very few who just want the extensions

But in this day and age, with all the economic uncertainty, you are really trying to state that people are really looking to NOT be employed? Wow.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:14 AM

5. This poor person agrees too.

I am a poor person so I don't need to be lectured that I have no sympathy for poor people.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:46 AM

7. Eggzaktly.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:56 PM

17. We are in agreement. The markets are going to spank the Republicans silly.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:08 AM

3. Didn't the cons use the UI to

extend the the wealthy tax cuts a couple years ago?

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:09 AM

4. Part Of The Hang Up With The GOP Is They Want The UI Funding To End ----

Between the GOP wanting major cuts and no new taxes on the rich there is no where to go. Part of the deal they want is to end unemployment benefits. I am sure they have not given up on that idea. Of course, if the info were out the media would hide it.

We don't know for sure what the GOP is actually proposing. For all I know they want the end of Obamacare in the package.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:34 AM

6. I don't think what any of us want makes an iota of difference, really.

And I have already read that hey, granny can skip a meal or two if it means guaranteed benefits for those working now - when raising the cap just a bit would solve everything - so as a granny on SS, I will just say don't look to voters for any of this stuff, look to our "leaders". The voters are already successfully being set against each other.

You know, Obama could have led with raising the SS cap to $300,000 and settled for $250,000 or whatever numbers will work, instead of fucking starting with chained CPI. He could have started with demanding medicare being able to negotiate with Pharma.
But no, he started with a bad thing that will inevitably show up early this year. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
He is a Third Way guy.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:54 AM

8. "We" didn't do that, and "we" didn't want that, so stop blaming us.

Also the Teapublicans are going to screw them even worse if we don't stop them now. You put up with extortion, you get to put up with it forever.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:21 AM

14. Let me look at my op again....

I'm trying to see where I actually laid any blame on anyone.
Nope, still can't see it. Stop trying to read into something that simply isn't there. Fyi, if you've ever read any of my posts in here (obviously you haven't), I blame the republicans and only the republicans for this mess we're currently in. So stop putting words into my mouth, as it were and just read the damn post.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:11 PM

15. "shame on you"

Got it?

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Response to bemildred (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:55 PM

16. No

Apparently neither do you. You wanna put words in my mouth? Go right ahead. You'll believe what you want to anyway.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:47 PM

20. You don't even know what you just said, it's right up there.

"shame on you" that's what you said, and that IS blaming someone. So kiss my grits.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:48 AM

21. "Kiss my grits"

Since we all know what that means, I ask, Where do I start? Happy New Year.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:18 AM

24. Happy New Year. nt

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:33 AM

10. Do you think unemployment insurance is safe with the Republicans?

If the choice is a bad choice in 2012 or a better choice in 2013, we're better off going off the so-called fiscal cliff.

The idea is to NOT allow them to cut things people need, including unemployment insurance, SS, and all the other programs they don't like.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:00 AM

11. Losing benefits for a week or two will be much better than the alternative

massive cuts in entitlement programs. Not just unemployment insurance, but Medicare, SS, education, the list goes on. The people who lose those benefits will only be doing so temporarily. Once a deal is reached everyone who is owed money will have to be paid.

It is the Republicans that are holding the country hostage. Stop blaming Democrats for wanting a better deal. We did win the election.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:10 AM

12. No pain, no gain...

Only more and more pain. That is what you are supporting.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:21 AM

13. understand your compassion

and if we really had a choice things would be different. If you give a bully your sandwich everyday eventually he's going to want your milk too. It never should have been part of the deal to begin with but here we are we. Many are tired of the one sided compromise we've been getting. From what I've heard Washington is more concerned about the market that anything else. Even corporations are saying go ahead and raise my taxes. They are more worried about their stock. It's an austerity crisis. No one wants it but there comes a time when we must confront the ridiculousness that is the GOP teacorp. As someone who is not rich I agree.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/27/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-fiscal-cliff-in-one-faq/

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:14 PM

19. What we get is what the super committee agreed to give us.

Now everyone else can blame the other side for not negotiating, but this was the super committee's best effort. Why expect anything less?

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:54 AM

22. Yeah, Because Short Term Thinking Has Served Us So Well

You say in another post that you blame the republicans. But, their policies are based on a short term thought process that gives now and doesn't look at the long term consequences. And now look where we are.

And, you want those of us who, a) don't believe it's really a "cliff", but a speed bump, and; b) want to take a longer view of things, to feel guilty about ignoring the impact on some people out of work.

Not going to work. I'm not going to employ the republican mindset to achieve democratic results.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:56 AM

23. The Poor are being held hostage by both sides

 

one side wants to keep them alive for continued political gain and the other wants to kill them now for political gain, either way the poor are screwed and neither side reeally wants to solve the problem.

So go ahead and cheer and clap for another useless deal that resolves nothing.

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